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Old Sep 25, 2012 | 11:13 PM
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This thread is making me want to buy a TVS so I gtg. ttyl
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Old Sep 25, 2012 | 11:14 PM
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Spring time ill do 2.6 or 2.7...and see if i can fit the phenolic in there
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Old Sep 25, 2012 | 11:15 PM
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This thread is making me want to buy a TVS so I gtg. ttyl
said tvs wasnt worth it...now wants 1?
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Old Sep 25, 2012 | 11:17 PM
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Exactly.
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Old Sep 26, 2012 | 01:31 AM
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We're both running conservative tunes(CUSTOM, same tuner), neither of us has exhaust yet...
He's also on the stock TVS pulled against an E85 2.7 M62.

Be both make about the psi...The TVS makes it far more efficiently, so E85 makes it so the M62 car pulls slightly. Seems spot on to 90% of us. haha
Sorry but your mods list and this post contradict each other, Ported intake mani, ported TB and phenolic spacer as well as option b, Pacesetter header and custom 3 inch exhaust that you are now claiming you dont have...? I would have to assume the IRL is on stock cooling as if he was not he would not be on a conservative tune but the limit could be those 60's as that is required for the TVS. Also no mention of anything mount related for the IRL which is critical in any FWD application. Like i said something is either not right in the tune/mods the irl has, Or the driver has not set up his car very well to be able to hook on the street.. making the same PSI means nothing and your not going to pull anything over me ive been here to long and seen alot of things but this makes no sense! im calling it like i see and well im not suprised he lost due to your MODS's list as you have alot more done than he does, You cant just slap a TVS on and think it's ZOMG HP, As there are people on this forum who cant even hit past the 300 mark on a TVS and a mostly otherwise stock car.
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Old Sep 26, 2012 | 10:28 AM
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What makes a tvs not worth it? Because you can in the end make more power with a turbo? Who cares...
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Old Sep 26, 2012 | 10:47 AM
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Haha, great threads. Good knowledge. But for the record the retard in this thread was saying M62 can do 300 on pump gas for less than a TVS....
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They can. All of this **** has been done before which is what I have been trying to tell you the whole time but you are too close minded to comprehend.
Show me one dyno sheet of someone who made 300whp with the M62 and gasoline for less then $2000. The only way is nitrous.
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Old Sep 26, 2012 | 12:32 PM
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I think they used overnight parts from Michigan.
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Old Sep 26, 2012 | 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by thedubsack85
Sorry but your mods list and this post contradict each other, Ported intake mani, ported TB and phenolic spacer as well as option b, Pacesetter header and custom 3 inch exhaust that you are now claiming you dont have...? I would have to assume the IRL is on stock cooling as if he was not he would not be on a conservative tune but the limit could be those 60's as that is required for the TVS. Also no mention of anything mount related for the IRL which is critical in any FWD application. Like i said something is either not right in the tune/mods the irl has, Or the driver has not set up his car very well to be able to hook on the street.. making the same PSI means nothing and your not going to pull anything over me ive been here to long and seen alot of things but this makes no sense! im calling it like i see and well im not suprised he lost due to your MODS's list as you have alot more done than he does, You cant just slap a TVS on and think it's ZOMG HP, As there are people on this forum who cant even hit past the 300 mark on a TVS and a mostly otherwise stock car.
Oh, sorry I pre edited my mod list.. I still ahve stock cat back. I'm getting a custom 3in the Wed. LOL. Ported intake mani/and TB hardly do anything. But something..... We're estimating he's around 270whp with this stock tvs current set-up and I'm around 280ish. I'll be hitting a dyno sometime after exhaust.
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Old Sep 26, 2012 | 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ebristol
Show me one dyno sheet of someone who made 300whp with the M62 and gasoline for less then $2000. The only way is nitrous.
not possible, unless CED is your dad and ZZP your mom, then maybe
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Old Sep 26, 2012 | 02:18 PM
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not possible, unless CED is your dad and ZZP your mom, then maybe
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Old Sep 28, 2012 | 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by thedubsack85
Sorry but your mods list and this post contradict each other, Ported intake mani, ported TB and phenolic spacer as well as option b, Pacesetter header and custom 3 inch exhaust that you are now claiming you dont have...? I would have to assume the IRL is on stock cooling as if he was not he would not be on a conservative tune but the limit could be those 60's as that is required for the TVS. Also no mention of anything mount related for the IRL which is critical in any FWD application. Like i said something is either not right in the tune/mods the irl has, Or the driver has not set up his car very well to be able to hook on the street.. making the same PSI means nothing and your not going to pull anything over me ive been here to long and seen alot of things but this makes no sense! im calling it like i see and well im not suprised he lost due to your MODS's list as you have alot more done than he does, You cant just slap a TVS on and think it's ZOMG HP, As there are people on this forum who cant even hit past the 300 mark on a TVS and a mostly otherwise stock car.
He has ZZPs stage 3. (had 2.9 pulley, still has dual pass, phenolic, and ZZP HE)

They are regular tunes...dont think anything is conservative.
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Old Sep 29, 2012 | 02:46 AM
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Still no mention of the IRL'S cooling or drive train mods. You cant just throw a TVS on a mostly stock LSJ except for the minimum requirement of 60's and think ZOMGHP. even if it was a WTFBBQ tune on the IRL on stock mounts it wont hook up! Ask me how i know.... Cause back in 06-07 i got GMPPS2 IRL into the mid-high 13's at 107 plus on basic mod's(mount's,intake,muffler swap,shifter,lowering springs,225 45 Dr's) with no cooling... never had it on the dyno but was in the 240HP CRANK range and ended up with better times and traps than alot of people on this site running more HP in either there LSJ or LNF. Cooling has been proven to be the best mod on an LSJ. To port the intake side completely and have opt B gives a HUGE advantage. As the exhaust is not a restriction untill you seriously mod an LSJ and even then the biggest restriction is the header which the E85 balt has....

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Old Sep 29, 2012 | 03:35 AM
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pretty much what Ebristol provided back in 2009

PSI is nothing more than a measurement of restriction
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Old Sep 29, 2012 | 03:58 AM
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Originally Posted by 100% METH
pretty much what Ebristol provided back in 2009

PSI is nothing more than a measurement of restriction
I agree. Which is why running the same PSI means nothing.. Watching the video proves that the IRL is short shifting the crap out of it's self! So that make me believe no real drivetrain mod's that the balt has which is crucial in FWD. And a not so good tune. As a TVS not properly setup has been proven to be not the best idea! I would not even consider a TVS without serious cooling mods and the mounts to make it hook! But hey im only the guy that has run the same or better than most with an underpowered LSJ than most do with a 300WHP Turbalt.....
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Old Sep 29, 2012 | 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by thedubsack85
I agree. Which is why running the same PSI means nothing.. Watching the video proves that the IRL is short shifting the crap out of it's self! So that make me believe no real drivetrain mod's that the balt has which is crucial in FWD. And a not so good tune. As a TVS not properly setup has been proven to be not the best idea! I would not even consider a TVS without serious cooling mods and the mounts to make it hook! But hey im only the guy that has run the same or better than most with an underpowered LSJ than most do with a 300WHP Turbalt.....
Did you miss where i stated the IRL had all cooling mods besides opt B?
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Old Sep 29, 2012 | 02:04 PM
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Then drive mod is needed. AS well as having the tune looked at IMHO. Id bet it's pulling timing up top!
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Old Sep 29, 2012 | 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by thedubsack85
Then drive mod is needed. AS well as having the tune looked at IMHO. Id bet it's pulling timing up top!
Probably not. Same tuner for both cars.

How is this hard to believe? the balt has a ported intake mani and ported TB also.
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Old Sep 29, 2012 | 03:11 PM
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i could care less wuts wrong, in THIS race he won wether u think its correct or not due to driver error and mods it doesnt matter...THIS race he won /thread
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Old Sep 29, 2012 | 03:55 PM
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Meh, it's all speculation

Both car may be seeing the same about of boost, and the TVS is X % more efficient at that particular boost level vs the m62 on a 2.7.

It's very clear in this video, the ability to make a more efficient combustion (Timing, fuel) on e-85 with the less efficient m62 is greater than 91-93 octane and a TVS.
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Old Sep 29, 2012 | 03:59 PM
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270HP even if just a butt dyno guesstimate on a TVS is low. Im not suprised he lost he's not even riding out each gear as he short shifted which makes no sense! But hey what do i know about drag racing a FWD car as ive put down damn good number's on the same platform over 4 years ago with alot less than 270HP.
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Old Sep 29, 2012 | 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by thedubsack85
270HP even if just a butt dyno guesstimate on a TVS is low. Im not suprised he lost he's not even riding out each gear as he short shifted which makes no sense! But hey what do i know about drag racing a FWD car as ive put down damn good number's on the same platform over 4 years ago with alot less than 270HP.
At LACR no less
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Old Sep 29, 2012 | 04:05 PM
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guess wut..u werent the driver sum1 else was so how he drove is how he drove wether its shitty or not..TVS car lost wether its due to a bad driver, mods, or both it is wut it is..maybe theyll do another video and the TVS will win
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Old Sep 29, 2012 | 04:07 PM
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simple, leave the mods exactly as they are... put the TVS on e-85, retune and watch it no longer be a race.
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Old Sep 29, 2012 | 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by 100% METH
simple, leave the mods exactly as they are... put the TVS on e-85, retune and watch it no longer be a race.
Or swap drivers to prove that its not a driver mod
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