"check gas cap" message, always...
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"check gas cap" message, always...
2006 ss 2.0 sc cobalt, 110 K miles, runs great. but every few days the "check gas cap" text in display comes on, then shortly after the check engine light displays, every time I scan it, it says "large leak p0455 evap system". I check the cap its always tight, I also replaced it, but it does the same. I can clear the code but every few days it comes back on...I understand the whole system of evap but...
looking for specific parts that are the most common to not seal or fail in these Cobalts?
what should be checked and or replaced in what order of most likely to fail and trip this code.
thanks
looking for specific parts that are the most common to not seal or fail in these Cobalts?
what should be checked and or replaced in what order of most likely to fail and trip this code.
thanks
Last edited by 71jcguy; 10-26-2018 at 10:54 AM.
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When you are filling the tank (adding gas), does the gas sometimes overflow? Could be a stuck ball check valve in the fill line. Some older Chevy's had this issue and the valve/fill line needs to be replaced.
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alright I will start with the purge solenoid on the engine, thank you.
I am also looking at replacing the tank filler neck as there is a lot of pitting and rust on this assembly, I suspect possible leaks along this piece, but I find two types of new parts for this, listed one with w/ PZEV (Partial-Zero Emissions Vehicle and one with out, which would be correct?
I am also looking at replacing the tank filler neck as there is a lot of pitting and rust on this assembly, I suspect possible leaks along this piece, but I find two types of new parts for this, listed one with w/ PZEV (Partial-Zero Emissions Vehicle and one with out, which would be correct?
Last edited by 71jcguy; 10-29-2018 at 11:43 AM.
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alright I replaced the (engine mounted) purge solenoid, reset and light came back on about 1 hour after driving, "check fuel cap" message followed by check engine light. I reset it and replaced the tank pressure sender (in the canister back by the tank) I reset it , and drove about 1 hour and sure enough the same "check cap" message followed by check engine light. so which part should I check next?
also how can you tell if the car is one with w/ PZEV (Partial-Zero Emissions Vehicle) or one without
also how can you tell if the car is one with w/ PZEV (Partial-Zero Emissions Vehicle) or one without
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so, when it comes to the tank filler neck assembly, two are available one with w/ PZEV (Partial-Zero Emissions Vehicle) and one without.
how can one tell which version they have/need?
how can one tell which version they have/need?
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finally just received the new tank neck assembly.....so now in the process of replacing this neck assembly, the original was very rusty, thin and able to "crunch" it with my hand. have no doubt it was allowing a leak somewhere..hoping this will eliminate this "leak"
at the same time I'm replacing rad, ac condenser and heat exchanger as they all were pushed back and bent badly. I think some one plowed snow with this car...
at the same time I'm replacing rad, ac condenser and heat exchanger as they all were pushed back and bent badly. I think some one plowed snow with this car...
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no smell of gas ever., even when I would sniff around under nether, but always that message every few miles, so capped off the tank spout with a solid rubber cap, sealed it with a clamp and reset light, and just a few miles later, check fuel cap message again. so replacing spout assembly, due to other things found I am also replacing rad, intercooler, pump, and ac condenser. well see if the message comes back after that. if it does I guess next would be to replace the entire canister assembly.
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2006 ss 2.0 sc cobalt, 110 K miles, runs great. but every few days the "check gas cap" text in display comes on, then shortly after the check engine light displays, every time I scan it, it says "large leak p0455 evap system". I check the cap its always tight, I also replaced it, but it does the same. I can clear the code but every few days it comes back on...I understand the whole system of evap but...
looking for specific parts that are the most common to not seal or fail in these Cobalts?
what should be checked and or replaced in what order of most likely to fail and trip this code.
thanks
looking for specific parts that are the most common to not seal or fail in these Cobalts?
what should be checked and or replaced in what order of most likely to fail and trip this code.
thanks
i read through the whole thread and im not sure if Im late on helping or if I missed it being mentioned. But the map sensor on the evap unit by the tank could be a failed piece. Potential that the wires have damage and make intermittent signals which should be another dtc but something to check if its still a problem
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I have replaced the EVAP purge solenoid on the engine and the tank filler neck assembly, and sensor in evap canister down by the tank, but message still reappears every few days,
other thoughts?
other thoughts?
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Have you checked your vent valve yet
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Have you made sure your getting power and ground at the purge and vent valve connectors?
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thanks to all for the suggestions, this weekends plan is to swap all these parts on my cobalt, and hopefully figure out once and for all why the "check fuel cap" message always comes up.
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a great weekend as I got a chance finally to swap out a ton of parts including, new intercooler, new ac condenser, new intercooler pump, new radiator, new purge solenoid, new vent valve, new map sensor and new fuel tank fill spout and vent setup. I also checked all lines and connections. reinstalled stock intake.
refilled all fluids and charged ac, all test ran great and no "fuel cap" message or P0455 code so far.
so glad I replaced all front radiator units as they were damaged more then I first believed them to be. pushed back far, bent and all three units leaking.
after
refilled all fluids and charged ac, all test ran great and no "fuel cap" message or P0455 code so far.
so glad I replaced all front radiator units as they were damaged more then I first believed them to be. pushed back far, bent and all three units leaking.
after
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alright so after replacing all these things, I reset all engine codes and test ran it, ran perfectly, then yesterday I got to take it for a test drive, it drove and ran perfectly for about 40 minutes, with no "check fuel cap message" and no "check engine light" it sounded great, and everything functioned perfectly.
I then parked it waited about ten minutes, went to move it into the garage and as soon as I started it the idle was very erratic, from 300 rpm's up and down, quickly to around 3K, then back down, and after about 5 seconds, the check engine light came on, (not "check fuel cap message"),it was such a rough erratic idle. all over the place and sounded terrible.
no pedal movement seemed to make any difference either. when I scanned it, it said code PO171, which is a lean run issue.(bank1)
I turned it off and let it sit for about half hour, I started it again and it did the same, but this time when I turned it off it continued to run (diesel) for about 5 seconds.
thoughts on what would be the most likely cause for this, very strange that it all would work great for 40 minutes then suddenly change.
I checked the intake system to make sure there was no leak, also verified that all pumping and wire connectors were installed. but still did the same.
MAF sensor? O2 sensor? TPS? MAP?
I also noticed that the new EVAP purge solenoid ticks like crazy, it should right?
I then parked it waited about ten minutes, went to move it into the garage and as soon as I started it the idle was very erratic, from 300 rpm's up and down, quickly to around 3K, then back down, and after about 5 seconds, the check engine light came on, (not "check fuel cap message"),it was such a rough erratic idle. all over the place and sounded terrible.
no pedal movement seemed to make any difference either. when I scanned it, it said code PO171, which is a lean run issue.(bank1)
I turned it off and let it sit for about half hour, I started it again and it did the same, but this time when I turned it off it continued to run (diesel) for about 5 seconds.
thoughts on what would be the most likely cause for this, very strange that it all would work great for 40 minutes then suddenly change.
I checked the intake system to make sure there was no leak, also verified that all pumping and wire connectors were installed. but still did the same.
MAF sensor? O2 sensor? TPS? MAP?
I also noticed that the new EVAP purge solenoid ticks like crazy, it should right?
Last edited by 71jcguy; 06-18-2019 at 09:48 AM.
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I got lucky, I tried a new MAF first and it took care of it,
I then (just to confirm) put the old one back in and it was instantly "bad" again,
I put the new one back in and it seems fine now. wheeew
I then (just to confirm) put the old one back in and it was instantly "bad" again,
I put the new one back in and it seems fine now. wheeew
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my question now is what is this? it is next to the evap purge valve solenoid , it has two lines in the front one is connected the other had foam around it? is this correct?