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Old 06-07-2009, 12:32 PM
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I'm not a supercharged guyy so you'll have to help me out a little bit....... What's the difference between TVS and the stock supercharger?
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It's not the tune guys, the tune is an adjusted stage 2 file with no boost limiting, and the car was holding the same boost level before the blower swap. The car is an '04 as well, right Josh?
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stock supercharger output is 1.0L of air per cycle, tvs is 1.32L of air per cycle.
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I'm voting boost leak. Possibly from one of your injector buckets. Also, did you replace the supercharger gasket?

Originally Posted by Darkmanx
I highhhly doubt it's the exhaust I was just boosting 22psi on my 2.25 inch gmpp it actually dropped when I went 3inch. Either tune or a leak as stated. My 05 redline throws out carb with perfect afr so does jasons . Just come see me wednesday
Dang, I'm at like 18pounds with a 2.5 mangnaflow and 3" catless downpipe.

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Old 06-07-2009, 01:15 PM
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The car is an 04' redline with an 05 cobalt in it. I think your tune is fine Joe no doubt, Im just trying to eliminate the possibilities
Old 06-07-2009, 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by xpanterax
The car is an 04' redline with an 05 cobalt in it
All the electronics are still the OEM stuff though, no computers swapped or anything like that. Just the hard parts were changed.

I'm wondering, as mentioned above, if the SC base gasket wasn't sealing right. I used the one that came with the new motor but I pulled the blower to swap pulleys then put it back on. Possibility of a leak there, I doubt it but it's always possible.
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I did a different bypass today and it feels a bit better joe, but I can't tell without that damn gauge. definetely nowhere near 260whp or even close
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Joe, do you have any logs of his with high iat temps?
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this sounds ugly

good luck figuring this out!

buuuuuuuuut. from what limited knowledge i know about f/i i would also vote for s/c manifold gasket. thats really one of the only sure fire things that could have gone wrong doing what you did.

BUT you said you were only boosting 15 on m62? was that before or after your cobra h/e? is it possible something got messed up? maybe something is not where its supposed to be or not attached at all?
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15 on M62 with GM Stage 2 is perfectly normal. Boost will also decrease if you run a bigger exhaust. I went from the stock downpipe and boosting ~17 on the M62 down to ~15 psi when I installed the 3" CTI catless downpipe....

His problem definitely sounds like a boost leak, but from where would be the question. Uhmm, maybe your supercharger gasket is on upside down. That might also cause a boost leak.
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heat exchanger was on before the gauge was even put it. But when the m62 was replaced, it still would only read 15psi at WOT
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Originally Posted by Deathscythe
Joe, do you have any logs of his with high iat temps?
No, even on the dyno yesterday with no fan on the front of the car, temp would max out at under 150 and drop right back to 120ish range before the next pull. Cooling system is working great.

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15 on M62 with GM Stage 2 is perfectly normal. Boost will also decrease if you run a bigger exhaust. I went from the stock downpipe and boosting ~17 on the M62 down to ~15 psi when I installed the 3" CTI catless downpipe....

His problem definitely sounds like a boost leak, but from where would be the question. Uhmm, maybe your supercharger gasket is on upside down. That might also cause a boost leak.
No, the gasket isn't on upside down, it won't fit over the dowel pins and still line up with the opening...

He was only seeing 15psi on the 2.9" pulley M62, on a factory stage 2 tune and stuff. I believe all of that was installed originally by the dealership, right Josh?

His exhaust is a JBP header, 2.5" catless and straight through from there back.

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It's the tune. Do you have a wide band? Whats it reading? Otherwise do a Compression test.
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Originally Posted by XxDHiLLxX
It's the tune. Do you have a wide band? Whats it reading? Otherwise do a Compression test.
Please give a reason for your statement.

Tune is holding 11.6 AFR across the board. Timing is a little low due to the lowered airflow numbers, 15-16 degrees. Compression is fine.
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I hope that the header isn't causing an issue with flow. I don't know of anyone that took the time to dyno one of those. Is there at least a video of the sound of it? I think that would be interesting to hear.
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Originally Posted by Deathscythe
I hope that the header isn't causing an issue with flow. I don't know of anyone that took the time to dyno one of those. Is there at least a video of the sound of it? I think that would be interesting to hear.
In my experience though, the header flowing poorly would increase boost, which is definately not the case here. I can't speak on it's flow or HP gains over a stocker, I think it's a pile of crap, but it shouldn't be worse than stock.
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In a few weeks, I'll be able to find out for sure. I have something in mind I'll be doing at the end of the month that's just about guaranteed to make a lot of people mad.
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Yeah the header Is garbage, but the gains were felt once I had it on. lol. never again right Joe. Anyways I just re-seated the injectors and remember when we were installing the TVS that there was a slight problem with the upper right bolt. I just tightened it down, but noticed that it seemed a tad stripped before I tightened it. Oh and I can see the gasket on the upper right, but cannot see it on the upper left. Maybe it is offset, im not sure. My car seems jacked when I just took it for a quick run electrical wise. My AC (after the and before the run) keeps going in and out. Not completely off, but doesnt blow as hard for maybe 20 seconds, then blows normal. I know they arent related its just another Prob. Im gonna change out batteries tommorow when I have the stock one fully charged.
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My car as well as TommySS/SC's car would hold 14-15-16lbs of boost and his would actually lose boost slightly higher in the RPM's. I had a 11.7A/F across the Powerband..

My problem was the tune. One of the tables had something messed up in it..

Just my .02
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Originally Posted by Deathscythe
In a few weeks, I'll be able to find out for sure. I have something in mind I'll be doing at the end of the month that's just about guaranteed to make a lot of people mad.
Why would we be mad? It's not so much competition with me man, its getting an 300whp DD, nothing more
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Originally Posted by coopn8r
My car as well as TommySS/SC's car would hold 14-15-16lbs of boost and his would actually lose boost slightly higher in the RPM's. I had a 11.7A/F across the Powerband..

My problem was the tune. One of the tables had something messed up in it..

Just my .02
What was it?

Originally Posted by xpanterax
Yeah the header Is garbage, but the gains were felt once I had it on. lol. never again right Joe. Anyways I just re-seated the injectors and remember when we were installing the TVS that there was a slight problem with the upper right bolt. I just tightened it down, but noticed that it seemed a tad stripped before I tightened it. Oh and I can see the gasket on the upper right, but cannot see it on the upper left. Maybe it is offset, im not sure. My car seems jacked when I just took it for a quick run electrical wise. My AC (after the and before the run) keeps going in and out. Not completely off, but doesnt blow as hard for maybe 20 seconds, then blows normal. I know they arent related its just another Prob. Im gonna change out batteries tommorow when I have the stock one fully charged.

What do you mean by it felt stripped?

I know I had them all tight, they were just a pain as I didn't have a very good allen bit for the upper ones. Gotta get myself some ball-nose allen bits soon.

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Originally Posted by ItalianJoe1
No, even on the dyno yesterday with no fan on the front of the car, temp would max out at under 150 and drop right back to 120ish range before the next pull. Cooling system is working great.



No, the gasket isn't on upside down, it won't fit over the dowel pins and still line up with the opening...

He was only seeing 15psi on the 2.9" pulley M62, on a factory stage 2 tune and stuff. I believe all of that was installed originally by the dealership, right Josh?

His exhaust is a JBP header, 2.5" catless and straight through from there back.
Yeah the car was bone stock and my first mod was stage 2 by the dealer

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What do you mean by it felt stripped?

I know I had them all tight, they were just a pain as I didn't have a very good allen bit for the upper ones. Gotta get myself some ball-nose allen bits soon.
I didnt mean felt stripped, I just looked it compared to the others and it wasnt rounded or anything, just not 100%

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Originally Posted by xpanterax
Why would we be mad? It's not so much competition with me man, its getting an 300whp DD, nothing more
You're thinking I'm talking about the tvs since I have one, but that's not what I'm talking about. I'm not into proving who's the strongest, we're a community that should be sharing ideas and helping each other. It's more of a reality vs. feeling type thing.
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Originally Posted by Deathscythe
You're thinking I'm talking about the tvs since I have one, but that's not what I'm talking about. I'm not into proving who's the strongest, we're a community that should be sharing ideas and helping each other. It's more of a reality vs. feeling type thing.
Alright then no worries. Hopefully your car feels great. Thanx for the input though

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My car as well as TommySS/SC's car would hold 14-15-16lbs of boost and his would actually lose boost slightly higher in the RPM's. I had a 11.7A/F across the Powerband..

My problem was the tune. One of the tables had something messed up in it..

Just my .02
What table was messed up???

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The car feels great, but I've run into problems left and right, since things weren't done correctly while I was gone. I've learned more than you can imagine, and I want to help where I can. It's a big comparison concerning a lot of well known companies.


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