I'm pretty sure I'm missing something here...

 

Obviously the people who bitch about the car looking like an LT are not the same people who go wingless and debadge. The idea is... If the performance is there, why have the car covered in SS badges and a useless, basically non-functional, visibility-blocking wing on the back? If you think your high rise impresses people... you are mistaken.

 

I don't see how it can help with the way these things blow around in the air. IE... My SS wing wobbled from the wind on the highway ALOT... The Evo wing is just as stable as any other part of the car. Doesn't wobble one bit (that wing is functional at 80 mph).

I think the SS wing would be more functional if they designed it to be sturdy. A wing like that SHOULD add downforce, even on FWD, but it's not going to be utilized like it would if it were over the drive wheels... it should still add some overal vehicle stability.. atleast a little bit.. but I think the design is failing it. It's way too flimsy.

 

I feel the need to point his out...

actually you have better visibility with the high rise over the low rise.

IMHO, it's either high rise or nothing.

you of all people would know how annoying the new ford or dodge trucks are - they sit so stinking high, and their lights are always right in the worst spot... well the high rise (which you can more or less look around) actually tends to block 90% of those pesky truck headlights.

yeah, I know your post wasn't meant as a knock... but just figured I'd point this out...

P.S. I take it your car is done?

P.P.S. I see the new sig, but cannot remember you posting there... did I miss something?

 

It's ok to like attention..... thats ur deal , not mine . I'd rather just roll by unnoticed with my low spoiler . To be honest ... I was always telling people that the car came with the park bench from the factory ..... just so they didn't think I put it on there myself.

 

can you not see the 2 hot girls in my sig dry humping each other and making out

 

what can i say, i love to trick people ahaha

 

You wont believe how much the Hi rise spoiler attracts ricer antic's lol...... The revving and flybye's have stopped completely . I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't experienced it first hand . The only draw backs are..... rearward visibility is actually worse with the low spoiler .... and from a couple angles the car looks like it's missing something .

1 bit of advise thou ..... try and find a trunk swap . The base of the hi rise will leave a dimple in the sheet metal that isn't covered by the base of the smaller wing . I had it fixed on my SS/SC ... I got luck and found a trunk swap for my TC thou.

I'd love to do an RKsport rear lip but every time i have extra money for the car it always goes towards something performance oriented .

 

I've ran with and without it on the track and cut similar times, so I just leave it on. I did read the GMPP book about how it adds 28lbs at a certain speed. It adds to the style is all, and I think I may add the carbon fiber center section to stiffen it up.

 

nope...

wait a minute is this one of those 3d art thinks where you have to look past hte picture to see it...









nope.

EDIT:
ok I just went ot your profile to see your sig that way... ok, now I see it...
normally all I see is the car pic - that's why I was lost.

 

high rise spoiler is a pos with the stock center blade in there.... theres a large gap underneath which at around 80mph you can watch the thing flex in the rear view mirror. this is whats called stall and therefore produced NO downforce. problem is air coming of the roof pushes the spoiler down and air coming around the sides and going off the trunk pushes it back up...causes it to flex.

the solution if you like the highrise look....pick up one of the carbon fiber center sections because they are flat all the way around OR spend big bucks and get the 1 piece crawford composites spoiler.

 

huh? oh well your missing out

 

I'm posting there under the name Acey.

Now... as for the high rise... I've driven enough 2.0 cars to know that it does indeed block the headlights of trucks if they are in the right place, and the low rise doesn't do this. However, this 'feature' is only applicable at night, and only for the small fraction of the time that you're actually in front of a truck. The other vast majority of time the wing is a major hindrance. I now work out of town and 95% of my driving is highway, yet I do not find myself at all bothered by lights behind me. Probably cause I leave for work at 5:45 am and accordingly I'm always at 130+

 

I know right?

But anyway, yes, a rear wing on a FWD is still usable. It's not just for traction but even stability to keep the ass from swinging around and putting you in a spin.

 

The functionality of the high-rise on the cobalt is just about 0. It's not quite zero, maybe closer to 0.0078 of a % in regards to functionality. The increased drag at the top end impairs its top speed ability by a much greater margin. So if your doing a standing mile, take the thing off. For anything else, its up to you, if your building a serious track car, you wont be using the stock spoiler anyway so thats a moot point.

 

Yes, it kicks ass until I try to read this site at work....

 

it doesn't show anything so it's technically sfw. if it bothers you then you should be able to right click and block it

 

You can't create down force without drag.

I love the wing on the track for the downforce and confidence inspiring placebo effect but hate the added attention on the street.

 

great post!

iirc downforce is essentially directed drag...

 

Not when you work in a Baptist founded Hospital's I.T. department. Yes, I will have to do that when I get to work....

 

Besides blocking out light at night time, I find no purpose to the high rise. It looks ok from the front or back, from a rear 3/4 view it looks excellent, but from the direct side it too bulky. It also makes it very hard to get the back end of the car completly dry as the damn wing holds in soo much water.
O and makes a lovely park bench to the black birds in the summer time. Fine scratches and bird poop stains are local on my wing fml. wingless with the next 4-5 months.

 

you could always get the "bench" portion wrapped... apparently it's a major pita, but can be wrapped...
It would prevent any more paint scratches, and be a whole lot cheaper than a new trunk and or paint...

 

yeah im with ya, no doubt wingless looks better..too lazy /broke to do the whole trunk swap thing yet though..also looking at it in the rearview on the highway it always looks like its about to fly off haha

 

The low-rise is definitely better for stealth. I have the 09 Sedan, with the dinky wing, and I haven't removed the badging - I've blacked out the silver interiors so they're far less noticeable. I don't see any problems with the visibility, but then again I was driving an 04 Grand Am as a daily driver before, and the the dinky wing visibility is about the same between the two.

I get far less ricer-challenges, since they don't see me coming. Even better - the police tend to overlook the car, since its practically rental-car-Cobalt from radar distance.

I don't know why there's a debate on whether downforce is good on a fwd car - its good for any decently designed car at speed, regardless of which wheels are being driven. Gotta remember that downforce at speed is for handling, not acceleration.

 

to make the story short. it does practically nothing. even if it were to remotely provide any real performance, that section missing out of the underside of the blade causes nothing but turbulence.