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Old Jan 13, 2012 | 12:33 PM
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Texas Lawmakers Accidentally Omit 2 License Plate Law
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Old Jan 13, 2012 | 12:45 PM
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nice find but I bet the cops still pull people over for it im leaving mine not getting pulled over for no plate just so they can add up charges such as tint, no cat and what ever else they can come up with
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Old Jan 13, 2012 | 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by yamaha288
nice find but I bet the cops still pull people over for it im leaving mine not getting pulled over for no plate just so they can add up charges such as tint, no cat and what ever else they can come up with
Yea, I am sure they will, cause most of them probably wont even realize that it has been changed......or they just want to be jerk.
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Old Jan 13, 2012 | 01:09 PM
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i really wish it would stick. i hate front plates. but like the guys said. NOT getting pulled over to begin with is the goal. *keeping fingers crossed that this law stays gone
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Old Jan 13, 2012 | 01:12 PM
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*keeping fingers crossed that this law stays gone

Have to wait till April to find out. And then it can't be changed back till at least 2013.
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Old Jan 13, 2012 | 01:20 PM
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i recently got pulled over for a multitude of things, one of them being "failure to display front license plates". After speaking with the judge of prosecuting attorney, I told them that I had it displayed in my front windshield, and both the judge and d/a said that was acceptable. Provided that the license plate is visible and the officer can easily make out the plate numbers/letters, there's nothing wrong with that option.
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Old Jan 13, 2012 | 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by mexi_loco
i recently got pulled over for a multitude of things, one of them being "failure to display front license plates". After speaking with the judge of prosecuting attorney, I told them that I had it displayed in my front windshield, and both the judge and d/a said that was acceptable. Provided that the license plate is visible and the officer can easily make out the plate numbers/letters, there's nothing wrong with that option.
This used to be the law that as long as it was displayed. But then they changed it to where it had to be on the front of the car. But now it is completely gone.
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Old Jan 13, 2012 | 01:26 PM
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and loco, while you may be right, for some of us the time it takes for being pulled over, harrassed, and not to mention going to court to get rid of the ticket is more time out my life than i want to waste with city/state bs. Not that im worried about paying a fine...im more worried about them simply wasting my time haha because that what alot of cops and officials seem to be good for.....wasting your time.
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Old Jan 13, 2012 | 01:27 PM
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I looked it up just to be sure. No where in that clause does it specifically say that it must be mounted to the front bumper of your vehicle. So therefore, considering that police will still pull people over for this, there is nothing illegal with putting the plate in your windshield as long as it's within plane view.
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Old Jan 13, 2012 | 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Section8cav
and loco, while you may be right, for some of us the time it takes for being pulled over, harrassed, and not to mention going to court to get rid of the ticket is more time out my life than i want to waste with city/state bs. Not that im worried about paying a fine...im more worried about them simply wasting my time haha because that what alot of cops and officials seem to be good for.....wasting your time.
scott, I can remember some years back when you were actually advocating that people take the time to argue their case in court, and not feel like it was a waste of time.
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Old Jan 13, 2012 | 01:30 PM
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They did change the law last year to state that the license had to be on the front bumper instead of just being displayed from the front of the car. I saw this article a couple of weeks ago. We'll see what happens with it.

Despite what the law says I don't have one on my bumper. My new redline's bumper isn't drilled for it and I'm not about to put holes in it.
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Old Jan 13, 2012 | 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by mexi_loco
scott, I can remember some years back when you were actually advocating that people take the time to argue their case in court, and not feel like it was a waste of time.

damn, your right.....i must really be getting old
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Old Jan 13, 2012 | 01:49 PM
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Took me a sec but found the information on it. It was actually in Sept 2010

The Texas Transportation code has always stated that license plates must be on the "front" of the vehicle, but Texas' highest appeals court has established a case law that now requires the front license plate to be mounted to the absolute front-most portion of the exterior of the vehicle.

That means the police now have legal probable cause to stop your vehicle if the plate is inside the windshield, sunken back into the grille, etc...

The law in questions is Texas Transportation code 502.404 -

Sec. 502.404. OPERATION OF VEHICLE WITHOUT LICENSE PLATE OR REGISTRATION INSIGNIA. (a) A person commits an offense if the person operates on a public highway during a registration period a passenger car or commercial motor vehicle that does not display two license plates, at the front and rear of the vehicle...

The case law that establishes the new rule was decided today (Wednesday 9/15/2010) and there is no "grace period", so be aware and be warned.



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HOUSTON (AP) ―

Texas drivers must display license plates on the front bumpers of their vehicles, the state's top criminal court ruled Wednesday while upholding the conviction of a man sent to prison for 60 years on a drug charge.

The Texas Court of Criminal Appeals in a split decision Wednesday said it's not good enough to just have a plate displayed somewhere else toward the front of the car or truck, like inside the front windshield.

The case involves a man pulled over in Lubbock four years ago because his plate was wedged between the dashboard and the windshield. An officer subsequently found Tawin Spence had about a half-pound of cocaine stuffed in his pants.

Spence appealed, saying his plate clearly was visible, that he shouldn't have been stopped and that the drug evidence used to convict him of possession with intent to deliver cocaine was obtained improperly.

The ruling resolves conflicting opinions from lower state courts.

An appeals court in Austin held the Texas Transportation Code didn't require a plate on the front bumper.

An Amarillo appeals court looked at the code and said the plate must be displayed "where the car begins ... the foremost area of the car."

The Court of Criminal Appeals, agreeing with the Amarillo court, took that to most commonly mean the front bumper.

"'Front' means the foremost part or beginning of a vehicle, not in the front half, or in the front portion," Judge Cathy Cochran said in her majority opinion. "This meaning of 'front' as a location is not ambiguous and does not lead to an absurd result.


"While the Transportation Code does not explicitly define 'front,' common usage and definitions of the word provide ample support for this construction."

Two of the court's nine judges disagreed. Judge Lawrence Meyers, joined by Judge Barbara Hervey, said he'd "construe front and rear to mean any surface facing that direction."

"Using the majority's logic, the rear of the vehicle would be the back bumper," Meyers wrote. "But as we all know, 90 percent of all vehicles do not display the license plate on the back bumper, they are usually on the tailgate or trunk."

Referring to the Transportation Code, Meyers wrote: "The only thing about this statute that is clear is that it is not well written."

Spence, 29, had a previous drug conviction and was on parole less than four months when he was busted Sept. 23, 2006, outside what police said was a known drug house in Lubbock.

His car, a Chevrolet Impala, was described in court documents as having blue sparkle paint, white racing stripes and large wheels. The spot on the bumper where a license plate normally would go instead had a decorative silver chrome plate.

Spence testified at his trial the Texas license plate was "all the way up in the front of the front windshield" and visible from the street.

The officer who made the stop testified that even before he could explain the reason for the stop, Spence said he'd been given a ticket earlier for the same license plate violation.

Spence also had no driver's license, prompting the officer to frisk him and discover the drugs and about $1,400 in cash.

Prison records show Spence got 10 years in prison for cocaine possession in 2001 and was paroled five years later. Conviction on the cocaine charge stemming from the license plate stop in 2006 got him 60 years. He's at the Texas Department of Criminal Justice Hughes Unit in Gatesville and becomes eligible for parole consideration in 2013
Originally Posted by Section8cav
damn, your right.....i must really be getting old
It would be a waste of time as of Sept 2010 though Scott, so no worries, before they made the change then it would have been worth the time to fight it.

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Old Jan 13, 2012 | 02:04 PM
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well...i still feel old,
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Old Jan 13, 2012 | 02:30 PM
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lol old man!!!
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