Ok, I did a search for this and I didn't find anything, i'm surprised i didn't...

I have the SSC springs on my LS, it handles better for the most part but it has some big under steer issues. I know my first step is going to be a rear sway bar, question is which one/how big.

i've read a lot about the progress, people with SS's have a lot of good things to say about them but i came across one person here that said a 19mm sway bar on and SS/SC is just about perfect. IF thats the case I don't think i'd want to go to a 22mm on the back of my LS, unless i went with a bigger front sway bar, which i'm not opposed to doing.

I'd like to get into a little road racing and auto cross this summer, nothing competitive, I just want to do it for fun, so i don't mind spending a little more to do front and rear sway bars, if its going to make a difference.

so the question is this.

If i keep my factory tooth pick front sway bar can i go with the 22mm progress sway bar without oversteer issues?
if not what rear sway bar, OR front and rear combo would give me the best handeling?

 

SS/SC front sway bar, progress rear sway bar and you should also get the SS/SC struts and rear shocks.

Art

 

bwoody adjustable rear sway is another option for the rear as well

 

You can get the SS/SC front sway bar for less than $100 at Crate engine depot.

 

if you're not looking for understeer then you will want to avoid an SS/SC front sway bar as well

also I think there is some confusion as to whether the Progress Rear Sway bar is 19mm or 22mm as I have seen two different sizes listed before myself...and as far as I know the SS/SC has/had a bigger swaybar than the Progress one offered (atleast for the Ions).

if I was in your shoes I would pick up a Progress Rear Sway bar and some BWoody Front Sway Bar links to attach to the stock front sway bar. This is what I have on my car and its a pretty nice setup. The sway bar links will give the feel of a stiffer sway bar up front but without the understeer.

 

thanks ionninja, thats what i was looking for.

as far as struts and shocks go i'm going to go with bilsteins, i'm not sure if they have cobalt struts out yet or not but i'll wait if i have to. i've used them before and i was very impressed.

progress's website lists their rear sway bar as being 22mm, maybe they have an older model that was 19mm, i don't know. i believe the SS/SC front sway bar is 24mm, I haven't looked to see what mine is. i'll just try a progress rear and see where that puts me.

gas prices did just hit $3 a gallon again so i'm thinking maybe i should put the money into the exhaust, maybe i'll just bite the bullet and do it all at once.

i'm still open to other suggestions.

 

ok, i'm about ready to make the purchase, I just stumbled onto the bwoody site and was looking at their rear sway bar. I'm not too sure how well it would work. Its a very different design from what i'm used to seeing, it doesn't look like it relies on the bar being hard to twist, like the progress and every other sway bar i've seen. It looks to me like it relies more on geometry and pulls the lower wheel up, which if it works seems like it would be a very good design, but maybe too solid. The other issue i see is it looks like it might affect ground clearance, especially with driving through snow and that sort of thing.

anyone want to share their experiences with it?

 

Im also currently debating on what sways to get for my 07 LS. What about the Eibach Kit? Anyone running that?

 

eibach kit is not out yet.

I've done a lot of research and i found someone saying they knew people that went from the progress to the bwoody and were happy with it, but I was unable to find any of those people. if anyone has used both I would love to hear from you!

I like the theory behind the bwoody one, it seems as thought it may work better, but progress makes an actual sway bar, why mess with success? I'm slightly leaning towards the bwoody one just because of price.

maybe i'll just do both!

 

screw rear sway bars...buy a big aluminum wing, and drive mach 10 everywhere..you'll have so much down force, you wont have to worry about handling anymore.

 

what about suspension technologies kit? both front and rear sway for 200 bux but is a good product and how does it compare to the progress? anyone know?

http://www.turbotechracing.com/produ...idproduct=4910

 

sometimes that isn't enough though...

 

I have the suspension techniques (sp?) front and rear sway bars on my car....there amazing! only down side......there are bright lime green! lol but a little bit of sand paper and paint fixes that :-)

 

thanx. yeah the suspension techniques seems to be the best buy, but i just havent seen many people on here with them. Everyone seems to have the progress sway.

 

The BWoody bar cannot be used for SCCA Autocross events

STS Class
14.7 ANTI-SWAY BARS
Substitution, addition, or removal of any anti-roll bar(s) is permitted.
Bushing material, method of attachment, and locating points are
unrestricted. Components such as anti-roll bars and strut housings
that serve dual purposes by also functioning as suspension locators
may not be modified in ways that change the suspension geometry
or steering geometry. Non-standard lateral members which connect
between the brackets for the bar are not permitted.

Meaning Bwoodys straight bar is not elegible.

I have the Progress rear bar, and the SS/SC front bar, using eibach pro-kit springs. On the street on street tires the handling is very balanced, but can be provoked into oversteer when on wet pavement. On the track on using Hankook Ventus Rs2 Z212 tires, I disconnect and remove the front passengerside sway bar link for the event, and replace it for the drive home. This induces oversteer and the control i prefer and without a LSD the results have yeilded better times and traction for me and my driving style. Results may vary.

 

anyplace else to buy this product besides TTR?

 

I'm still learning all the different rules for the different classes, is that meaning stock classes only? I am already lowered so that in its self would put me in the street prepped class, would the bwoody disqualify me from that too?

I'm leaning slightly more towards the progress, but I like the idea of the bwoody and the obviously the price. If it couldn't be used in autocross then my decision is made... thats my main reason for wanting to do it anyways.

 

Stock Class:

13.7 ANTI-ROLL (SWAY) BARS
A. For front anti-roll (sway) bars:
1. Substitution, addition or removal of any front anti-roll bars is
permitted.
2. Substitution, addition or removal of anti-roll bars may serve no
other purpose than that of an anti-roll bar.
3. The use of any bushing material is permitted.
4. No modification to the body, frame or other components to
accommodate anti-roll bar addition or substitution is allowed,
except for the drilling of holes for mounting bolts. Non-standard
lateral members which connect between the brackets for
the bar are not permitted.
B. Rear anti-roll (sway) bars may not be removed, replaced, or
modified in any way.

STS:

14.7 ANTI-SWAY BARS
Substitution, addition, or removal of any anti-roll bar(s) is permitted.
Bushing material, method of attachment, and locating points are
unrestricted. Components such as anti-roll bars and strut housings
that serve dual purposes by also functioning as suspension locators
may not be modified in ways that change the suspension geometry
or steering geometry. Non-standard lateral members which connect
between the brackets for the bar are not permitted.

Street Prepared:

15.7 ANTI-ROLL (SWAY) BARS
Vehicles may only exceed the allowances of 13.7 as specified
herein.
Substitution, addition, or removal of any anti-roll bar(s) is permitted.
Bushing material, method of attachment, and locating points are
unrestricted. This does not authorize removal of a welded-on part of
a subframe to accommodate the installation, or the cutting of holes
to route the bar or links. Non-standard lateral members which
connect between the brackets for the bar are not permitted.
The bar may serve no other purpose which is not explicitly permitted
elsewhere herein. Components such as anti-roll bars and strut
housings which serve dual purposes by also functioning as
suspension locators may not be modified or substituted in ways
which change the suspension geometry or steering geometry, and
may not be installed in positions (e.g. upside down) other than that
of the original configuration.


Street Mod: Carries the same rules for Sway Bars as Street Prepared, with the allowance of R- Compound Tires and a few other modifications.


Prepared Class: Pretty much anything goes here, stripped interiors, full on race cars.

17.7 ANTI-ROLL (SWAY) BARS
Any anti roll bar, camber compensating device, panhard rod, watts
linkage, and/or other suspension stabilizer is permitted. Attachment
points of such components are unrestricted.
A. Components may extend into the driver/passenger/trunk compartments,
but shall be covered with metal panels.
B. Components may pass through body panels, chassis panels, and
frame members.


So the answer to your question I do believe is te Bwoody bar cannot be used till you get to the Prepared Catagory, and that is SEROIUS competition. Practicaly Full on Race cars. These are not daily drivers.

If you havent downloaded it yet here is the link to the Offical Rule book this information was copied from.

http://www.scca.com/_FileLibrary/File/2007SoloRules.pdf

Good luck, Happy to help if youve got other questions.