Ok i got a decent idea for wheelhop for us 2.0 guys. I was thinkin about dropping my car a bit and i wanted a more agressive stance in the front as well, so i was thinkin of dropping it like 2in the front and .75-1in, in the rear. This would distribute more of the weight of the car to the front which would reduce wheelhop slightly. By putting the weight more to the front it would put more pressure on the front wheels causing them to spin when launching instead of hopping because it would be harder for the wheels to leave the ground with added weight right above them. Not only would my car look better lowered (imo) but i would be able to launch at a higher rpm being the weight is distributed this way. Let me know your thoughts about this and think hard about it before posting because it helps gravitationally (if thats a word), wen u think about it.

 

its not new its called physics

 

it might help a little, but there are far better, cheaper, and easier ways to remove wheel hop. I really dont see it displacing that much weight at all, not enough to control wheel hop. It should control wheel hop for the fact that your putting a stiffer suspension on the car and not allowing the wheels to move as easily.

 

springs are less than $150 shipped?

 

LOL brilliant! try a tranny mount

 

that was a real pricky response...we all know about physics, but he was just trying to help develop a solution to that fact that we have all this power and can't harness it!

 

thanks man yeah theres alotta ******** out there but im glad u understand where im commin from, also its not like im wasting the money on somethin tryin to get rid of wheel hop, i wanted to do it to my car for a while and figured it would help in the wheelhop department as well.

 

wheel hop is also caused by the engine jumping from the torque...weight distribution might not keep the engine in a stand still at a rev...pop your hood and have a friend rev up and watch your baby try to fly...thats directly connected to your axle...engine jumps, so does the axle.

 

Its gonna do 3 things....
1- Stiffen the suspension, my main priority
2- Lower the car and give it more of an agressive look in the front
3- Reduce wheelhop by displacing weight

*Its not like im paying all the money just to reduce wheelhop, I wanted to do the other 2 things listed and i figured that the 3rd thing would come into place, which is a plus*

 

i thought about this a long time ago, but i figured since i dont know much about suspension then i was probably wrong. glad to see someone is thinking the same here! i think it would look cool to have the front end lower anyway.

 

If ya got the money

http://powellmotorsport.com/index.ph...pid=1&offset=0

 

thats a ridiculous price!!!

 

ok.. your thining about it wrong. lowering the front more, or giving it stiffer suspension will do just about nothing for wheel hop. it will help, but not much. The REAR is a differnt story. When you acceorate, the car leans back, so if you stiffen the rear, it keeps the front planted.

and as for distributing the wight...it dosn't worjk that way. the wieght on the fron tires will be the same, no matter what suspension you use. even if you had no suspension at all! It just dosn't work that way.

 

i completely understand where your comming from. Thats why i wanted to stiffen the back suspension as well just not as low as the front, but the springs will keep it stiff reguardless, in the least it will still be stiffer than stock. So there-for springs in the rear should go in as well. As for the second part of your post, all i was planning on doing is shifting the weight thats already there toward the front. Even if it doesnt help it changes the look of the car which is what i was after too.

 

If your going to post that solution why not post this one as well?
http://powellmotorsport.com/index.ph...pid=2&offset=0

 

Ennnn, wrong. It has some effect yes, but is not the cause after the first inital shock of the motor under load and the soft OEM mounts. Wheel hop is caused by un-sprung weight, and too soft a spring. The OEM susspention though nice, is not set for hard launches. Wheel spin induses wheel hop when combined with the above staments. If your motor is lifting and falling at such a rate as to cause wheel hop, lol, you've got bigger problems then a slow start. You're gonna start throughing rods and drive shafts any second.
Take the advise of the others on here, get some goo dmounts for starters, then some springs. Adjustable shocks will get you diald in on weight transver if you plan on takeing it to the track and driveing it as well as a DD. Good luck.

Edit: You wanna really see you'r engine lift? Put it on a dyno, or if you wanna do it for free, pop the hood, put some wheel stops under the tires, and rev it up. Slowly let out the clutch until it begins to grab, the motor will lift as much as 5" When you free rev it, not under load, it'll lift a max of 3". But under load, it lifts far more. This can START wheel hop, but really it just pushes the tires down and back.

 

Yeah my engine on the dyno just wanted to jump out. I couldnt believe the stress in there. Recently ive been lauching with no wheel hop at all. I must of broke something good!

 

The CTS V Anti Wheel Hop Cradle Stability Locking Rings (second link) are for their Cadillac race car, not our Cobalts. Powell Motorsports says on their site they are still building a parts list. I e-mailed the company head and asked him personally

 

Thats to expensive anyways. 500 dollars for some plastic.

 

It may reduce wheel hop but your handling will suffer. The more weight your transfer off of the back wheels, the loser the back of the car will feel.

 

Ok, as long as the reasons are correct! I don't want you to do something and be very dissapointed with the results. But I think looks wise, yea, it would probably look good, and stiffer, lower suspension is good, but it's not goint to do much for wheel hop. because the 'suspension' on the engine (engine mounts) is the weak link... very waek

 

I wish I really would have put on everything one at a time and tested it so I could answer and kill threads like this but. I believe that the tranny mount is the best solution for wheel hop. It pins the engine in the front preventing the forward back movement of the engine that I believe causes wheel hop. But since I used the trio There has been ZERO ZERO ZERO wheel hop.

Trio = Tranny mount + Engine side mount + CAB's

 

to answer your question quickly, basically when you launch your the back bows down and the front goes up, which reduces the weight in which the car uses for traction. long story short, the bars force the car forward so the weight doesn't shift allowing for better grip and less wheel spin, they don not help for wheel hop.

what people on this site aren't realizing is that that wheel hop is a suspension issue. that's it.
tranny and motor mounts help, because the movement in the tranny and motor are making it even a bigger issue.

when I swapped over to my coil overs, my wheel hop disappeared, I still have a little when it's wet, but that's all.

my suggestion is first and foremost the Control Arm Bushings, are single handedly the best and cheapest way to solve that problem.

cobss187, so your going to buy the H&R race spring then right, I know the have like a 2" drop in the front and and I believe the same drop as the eibach in the rear.

one thing is for sure. this car looks far better with a positive rake angle ( front lower then the back, like an old muscle car)
I loved it when I had my coil overs set up like that.
damn redesign has got me sitting at stock height again.

 

I get what your sayin too but i got a question about the motor and tranny mounts, i was thinkin about doin the motor mounts because the work to replace them is much less than the tranny ones but how much in-cabin vibration do you experience with the motor mounts? Is it a lot to the point where its harder to get out of first gear without over revving (similar to the ingalls torque damper which ive used)? Or is it much less? I think im just doing the motor mounts so let me know what you think... thanks man.

 

edit^^^^^^ also the same question again but this time about the CAB's and vibration and all that good stuff..... thanks again