OH SNAP!!! Its been done!!!!
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OH SNAP!!! Its been done!!!!
5 LUG SWAP!!!
Yup, after months of hints,specualtion, comments, innuendo, gesticulation, and too many PMs to count......Its done. I swapped from the stock 4x100 bolt pattern with 10" front brakes, steel wheels and 195/60 Conti ContactAS to the 5x110 pattern and LSJ spec 11.65" front brakes, forged Centerline Storms in 17x7 with ContiSportConacts 215/45-17, with Koni Challenge/Time Attack spec knuckles.(Time Attack Big Brake kit coming soon.....)
I am running 100% stock SS/SC front brakes with braided hoses, and stock 5lug rear drums with Carbotech 1521 shoes(not a huge fan of these....but they are grippier than stock....I had 'em so I kept em) and braided hoses in the back. Ill be swapping to SS/SC or possibly SS/TC rear discs sometime shortly(Ive got everything "in stock")
The wheels are are awesome....15lbs actual weight. 35lbs with tires....thats LIGHTER than stock by just over a half pound each!!!!
Everything is 100% direct bolton. Youll need a set of front and rear 5lug hubs from a NON-TURBO Delta (5Lug Ion, G5GT, SS/2.4, SS/SC, any non-turbop HHR) Only thing to worry about when it comes to hubs is top be sure you dont get hubs from an LNF powered vehicle, and if you have ABS make sure you get ABS hubs. the only non-abs 5lug Delta is the base HHR so that shouldnt be a real issue. nonABS hubs can be as low as $100 ea new in the aftermarket, ABS ones can run as high as $300 each, shop around, used ones should be about $200 for all 4, or less if you shop around.
Youll need rear drums which are about $75ea from GM online, which is actually CHEAPER than what I found in the aftermarket. Youll need a set of front brakes, rotors are like $80ea from NAPA, or damn near every vendor we have sells them.....Youll need a complete set of front calipers, these are available from the aftermarket OR ACDelco for about $200-250 for the set depending on core charge(which you have to pay since you have no cores
) you want "loaded" calipers because they come with everything you need. Or of course you can go used, Ive seen salvage yard calipers for as little as $25ea, some elbow grease and spray paint and theyll be better than new.(I didnt bother painting mine...yet)
Youll reuse your brake hoses, but you can use this as a time to upgrade if you like.
With a full complement of tools the swap took me about an hour and fifteen minutes. In the driveway with a jack and jackstands, a helper, a dog lunch and some beer its a leisurely half day.
(I'll upload these later for those who cant see PB images.)
None of this would have been possible without help from my good friend John.....Thank you SOOOO much.
Yup, after months of hints,specualtion, comments, innuendo, gesticulation, and too many PMs to count......Its done. I swapped from the stock 4x100 bolt pattern with 10" front brakes, steel wheels and 195/60 Conti ContactAS to the 5x110 pattern and LSJ spec 11.65" front brakes, forged Centerline Storms in 17x7 with ContiSportConacts 215/45-17, with Koni Challenge/Time Attack spec knuckles.(Time Attack Big Brake kit coming soon.....)
I am running 100% stock SS/SC front brakes with braided hoses, and stock 5lug rear drums with Carbotech 1521 shoes(not a huge fan of these....but they are grippier than stock....I had 'em so I kept em) and braided hoses in the back. Ill be swapping to SS/SC or possibly SS/TC rear discs sometime shortly(Ive got everything "in stock")
The wheels are are awesome....15lbs actual weight. 35lbs with tires....thats LIGHTER than stock by just over a half pound each!!!!
Everything is 100% direct bolton. Youll need a set of front and rear 5lug hubs from a NON-TURBO Delta (5Lug Ion, G5GT, SS/2.4, SS/SC, any non-turbop HHR) Only thing to worry about when it comes to hubs is top be sure you dont get hubs from an LNF powered vehicle, and if you have ABS make sure you get ABS hubs. the only non-abs 5lug Delta is the base HHR so that shouldnt be a real issue. nonABS hubs can be as low as $100 ea new in the aftermarket, ABS ones can run as high as $300 each, shop around, used ones should be about $200 for all 4, or less if you shop around.
Youll need rear drums which are about $75ea from GM online, which is actually CHEAPER than what I found in the aftermarket. Youll need a set of front brakes, rotors are like $80ea from NAPA, or damn near every vendor we have sells them.....Youll need a complete set of front calipers, these are available from the aftermarket OR ACDelco for about $200-250 for the set depending on core charge(which you have to pay since you have no cores
) you want "loaded" calipers because they come with everything you need. Or of course you can go used, Ive seen salvage yard calipers for as little as $25ea, some elbow grease and spray paint and theyll be better than new.(I didnt bother painting mine...yet)Youll reuse your brake hoses, but you can use this as a time to upgrade if you like.
With a full complement of tools the swap took me about an hour and fifteen minutes. In the driveway with a jack and jackstands, a helper, a dog lunch and some beer its a leisurely half day.
(I'll upload these later for those who cant see PB images.)
None of this would have been possible without help from my good friend John.....Thank you SOOOO much.
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I didnt go TC brakes because I am going to be running the Time Attack BBK.
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You best be, Its like 1.7/2.6 drop....
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The master cylinder is the same, the ABS module and fluid valves(brake pressure modulator valve or proportioning valve) are different. If youve got ABS it will take care of proportioning on its own or you can upgrade to the SS bpmv, if youve got nonABS brakes you need to set your own proportioning.
