Ok so i want the truth on this subject i hear people say that it give yous handling preformance.

and then others say its just dead weight WHICH IS IT!!!!!!

thanks, phill

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THE TRUTH!!!

 

handling performance? from taking out a seat

 

Just ask Bill from GM Performance...he'll give you the real answer. I know he has a user name on this forum and LNF performance too.

there a bracket under the seat...thats what he's talking about.

 

ive been gone for a while, first time ive heard this argument... why would it be beneficial? more even weight distribution?

 

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the debate is weither it keeps the body from rolling or something long those lines.

and its the under seat bracket. not the seats.


we'll see if i can find him.


well takeing it out gets rid of ~10lbs and then the again its supposed to keep body from rolling or some thing

im not sure which is why i created the thread.

 

ok well ive never had my seat out so i dont know for sure, but unless the bracket is attached to somthing besides the body of the car (im pretty sure its not, our rear suspension is not very complex) it would be no different than sticking a 10 lb weight in your back seat

 

can you retain the rear seat if you take the bracket out?

 

its what holds your seatbelts in IIRC. i took it out one time

 

yea thats what im thinking i just think its bolted to the body and thats it.

umm for some reason i actually thikn you can. i dont quite rememeber its been a while since ive taken mine out. but if i find out that you can take it out with out handling bad and then you can keep it out and keep seats then im definitly takeing it out.

 

^ oh of course, i would do the same if it doesn't serve a purpose. but i'm sure the bracket is there for a reason

 

from what i could tell its mostly for attaching baby seats. hmmmm again i dont know i havent seen the bracket in a while.

 

someone that autocrosses should do a few consistant laps with the bar...
then take it out and see it he can tell a differnet or if the times get slower.

 

lol yea that would be ideal. and the person would have to be pretty good at it.

but i doubt thats gonna happen.

 

IIRC, there are a total of 2 people on this forum who believed that it increases handling, and when they said so, everyone else corrected them.

Go remove it like I have before. It is a fully floating unit that has ZERO connection to the sides of the car. It fits in to a bracket, does not hold tension, and does not make the car stiffer. Therefore, it is clearly not an improvement to your suspension, and is merely a bar to help hold the seats in place, which adds weight.

 

very good answer. im gonna side with you but i need more than a few peoples opinion.

whats IIRC

ill have to take it out and see if i notice anything drastic. even if it does hold anything its miniscule from what im thinking.

nothing a ottp hardcore bar cant fix

 

So you can take out that bracket while still retaining function to the rear seats? Never mind the child restraint thing, I don't need it.

 

no. the seats bolt in to the bar. I believe thats what allows the rear backrests to swivel when you put the seats down.

 

The seats slide into the end of it. Its there for baby seats, it has no effect on handling, if it was bolted on either side of the frame then it might help a little, its dead weight

 

The bracket is not a structural member of the car, it doesnt make it stiffer. If you remove it you lose the weight, but you also lose your seats. The back seats cant be secured to the car without it.

 

Gutted back since I got the car. <3

It holds the seats to the car, that's about it.

No passengers for me unless it's a friend or my girlfriend, so why have back seats?

 

that suck, guess i'm keeping the bracket. i want my rwar seat.

 

all t takes is one night of drunken unprotected sex and BAM! you need the child restraints.

personal experience...

 

and thats why you take out the back seat. so there is no comfortable place to bang. well its not comfortable anyway. being 6 foot 1 its kinda cramped

 

THANK YOU MAVEN!!!! the truth comes out!