2.0 S/C tune update
I'm down to be the guinee pig here, lol. So maybe I am stupid but what exactly is the re-learn from the dealer? I am in calfornia and to be honest hp tuners scrares the hell out of me, lol. I already have stage 2. Thanks!!
Originally Posted by ludicristSS
We'll to give you an Idea The STS-V has a hand built 4.4 S/C we got 40 rwhp and 20 rwtq [peak 35 from 3500 up ] with no other changes . I will not speculate but you will get a boost in midrange power and based on all of the s/c applications I have done with Lyndon Wester you will be impressed .
B/c we are all grown men ont this forum and internet forum arguing is childish I will drop it however I will retract my statement about the other company thing. Good luck with your buisiness. I will remove those posts. Hey if I hear good things from people I might give you a try it looks like other people are willing to so I will as well. After all we are all freinds on this site my bad, just had a bad day at work might of taken it out on you which is my bad.
Originally Posted by Woodyr007
I'm down to be the guinee pig here, lol. So maybe I am stupid but what exactly is the re-learn from the dealer? I am in calfornia and to be honest hp tuners scrares the hell out of me, lol. I already have stage 2. Thanks!!
Originally Posted by eastcoastz
I'm in Lakewood and am intrested in this also.
Originally Posted by glockglade
B/c we are all grown men ont this forum and internet forum arguing is childish I will drop it however I will retract my statement about the other company thing. Good luck with your buisiness. I will remove those posts. Hey if I hear good things from people I might give you a try it looks like other people are willing to so I will as well. After all we are all freinds on this site my bad, just had a bad day at work might of taken it out on you which is my bad.
Originally Posted by CobaltSS313
interested in seeing what you can do, i have the intense stage 3 tune but this check engine light for thelean code is crap, i'll be waiting to see what you got
Originally Posted by DWK5150
What do you use to tune if you dont use HP Tuners ?
funny thing about the dealers , they are all tied into the same network
so any GM dealer can pull up any work done to your car by your VIN# , NO MATTER WHAT DEALER DID THE SERVICE WORK , so if they had questions to what was done to a pcm , and they see the cran learn and no pcm repair , and being that it was a cash deal and no warranty that will throw a MAJOR flag that something was done
i worked for chevy , i know they can pull up
and what difference does it make if , you , hp tuners , Westers Garage / Vector motorsports / Fast chips / Lavernois /SLP , do some tweaking on the pcm , the dealer usually cant see anything done to alter the programing from any company , i dont see what makes your special ?
granted if the dealer reflashes the pcm for any reason , all that work is gone , atleast with something like hp you can reload your last saved file , and not be with out the car for days or weeks
and i did look at your stuff , big deal you ask a few questions about location , weather changes daily everywhere
i know alot of gtp guys that tune their own pcm's , and they actually have several tunes saved for weather condidtions , and street use and track use
since hp has been around along time there is alot of dyno shops that are fimilar with their set up , and used to tuning , so tuning a 4cyl isnt much differnet , yeah you gotta do stuff slightly different , but the principal is all the same
as i said i dont doubt your tuning knowledge , but tuning each car is different
my personal feelings its best to tune the pcm in the area the car lives in
there is a big reason why alot of places that sell pre-programed pcms have droped prices way down , they know they cant tune 100% of what is needed and programs like hp's are alot better given people take the time to learn and use them properly
so any GM dealer can pull up any work done to your car by your VIN# , NO MATTER WHAT DEALER DID THE SERVICE WORK , so if they had questions to what was done to a pcm , and they see the cran learn and no pcm repair , and being that it was a cash deal and no warranty that will throw a MAJOR flag that something was done
i worked for chevy , i know they can pull up
and what difference does it make if , you , hp tuners , Westers Garage / Vector motorsports / Fast chips / Lavernois /SLP , do some tweaking on the pcm , the dealer usually cant see anything done to alter the programing from any company , i dont see what makes your special ?
granted if the dealer reflashes the pcm for any reason , all that work is gone , atleast with something like hp you can reload your last saved file , and not be with out the car for days or weeks
and i did look at your stuff , big deal you ask a few questions about location , weather changes daily everywhere
i know alot of gtp guys that tune their own pcm's , and they actually have several tunes saved for weather condidtions , and street use and track use
since hp has been around along time there is alot of dyno shops that are fimilar with their set up , and used to tuning , so tuning a 4cyl isnt much differnet , yeah you gotta do stuff slightly different , but the principal is all the same
as i said i dont doubt your tuning knowledge , but tuning each car is different
my personal feelings its best to tune the pcm in the area the car lives in
there is a big reason why alot of places that sell pre-programed pcms have droped prices way down , they know they cant tune 100% of what is needed and programs like hp's are alot better given people take the time to learn and use them properly
Originally Posted by zinner
Do you have a custom OS for the LSJ or do you just edit the parameters of the stock OS?
Originally Posted by 97cavie24ls
funny thing about the dealers , they are all tied into the same network
so any GM dealer can pull up any work done to your car by your VIN# , NO MATTER WHAT DEALER DID THE SERVICE WORK , so if they had questions to what was done to a pcm , and they see the cran learn and no pcm repair , and being that it was a cash deal and no warranty that will throw a MAJOR flag that something was done
i worked for chevy , i know they can pull up
and what difference does it make if , you , hp tuners , Westers Garage / Vector motorsports / Fast chips / Lavernois /SLP , do some tweaking on the pcm , the dealer usually cant see anything done to alter the programing from any company , i dont see what makes your special ?
granted if the dealer reflashes the pcm for any reason , all that work is gone , atleast with something like hp you can reload your last saved file , and not be with out the car for days or weeks
and i did look at your stuff , big deal you ask a few questions about location , weather changes daily everywhere
i know alot of gtp guys that tune their own pcm's , and they actually have several tunes saved for weather condidtions , and street use and track use
since hp has been around along time there is alot of dyno shops that are fimilar with their set up , and used to tuning , so tuning a 4cyl isnt much differnet , yeah you gotta do stuff slightly different , but the principal is all the same
as i said i dont doubt your tuning knowledge , but tuning each car is different
my personal feelings its best to tune the pcm in the area the car lives in
there is a big reason why alot of places that sell pre-programed pcms have droped prices way down , they know they cant tune 100% of what is needed and programs like hp's are alot better given people take the time to learn and use them properly
so any GM dealer can pull up any work done to your car by your VIN# , NO MATTER WHAT DEALER DID THE SERVICE WORK , so if they had questions to what was done to a pcm , and they see the cran learn and no pcm repair , and being that it was a cash deal and no warranty that will throw a MAJOR flag that something was done
i worked for chevy , i know they can pull up
and what difference does it make if , you , hp tuners , Westers Garage / Vector motorsports / Fast chips / Lavernois /SLP , do some tweaking on the pcm , the dealer usually cant see anything done to alter the programing from any company , i dont see what makes your special ?
granted if the dealer reflashes the pcm for any reason , all that work is gone , atleast with something like hp you can reload your last saved file , and not be with out the car for days or weeks
and i did look at your stuff , big deal you ask a few questions about location , weather changes daily everywhere
i know alot of gtp guys that tune their own pcm's , and they actually have several tunes saved for weather condidtions , and street use and track use
since hp has been around along time there is alot of dyno shops that are fimilar with their set up , and used to tuning , so tuning a 4cyl isnt much differnet , yeah you gotta do stuff slightly different , but the principal is all the same
as i said i dont doubt your tuning knowledge , but tuning each car is different
my personal feelings its best to tune the pcm in the area the car lives in
there is a big reason why alot of places that sell pre-programed pcms have droped prices way down , they know they cant tune 100% of what is needed and programs like hp's are alot better given people take the time to learn and use them properly
As far a dropping prices that should indicate how much buisness they are getting and the time it has taken to devleop a tune . [ aside from sales and group buys ]
Originally Posted by ludicristSS
This is your opinion and I'm ok with it. But what differance will a motor see in terms of location other then temp/humidity/baro/altitude ? You worked for chevy as a tech ? If so you saying you would document a crank relearn on a solstice or H2 ? I think not . I realy can see your point If your going to tune it you self .
As far a dropping prices that should indicate how much buisness they are getting and the time it has taken to devleop a tune . [ aside from sales and group buys ]
As far a dropping prices that should indicate how much buisness they are getting and the time it has taken to devleop a tune . [ aside from sales and group buys ]
the crank learn , for a customer , a ticket is written up by the service advisor , and the ticket is given to the tech , the tech does the relearn , flags the ticket (so he gets paid) , then customer gets charged for said repair , then work order gets entered into the system
unless you got a friend that will do it free for you , you gotta remember not everyone has friends in low places , lol
and max performance , cant be done with a general program , that is the bottom line of what im saying
you might beable to get say 230hp outta a car infornt of you , then using the same program in similar/same modded car 1000 miles away , might only get 223hp , while 1 2000 miles might see 233
Originally Posted by 97cavie24ls
the crank learn , for a customer , a ticket is written up by the service advisor , and the ticket is given to the tech , the tech does the relearn , flags the ticket (so he gets paid) , then customer gets charged for said repair , then work order gets entered into the system
unless you got a friend that will do it free for you , you gotta remember not everyone has friends in low places , lol
and max performance , cant be done with a general program , that is the bottom line of what im saying
you might beable to get say 230hp outta a car infornt of you , then using the same program in similar/same modded car 1000 miles away , might only get 223hp , while 1 2000 miles might see 233
unless you got a friend that will do it free for you , you gotta remember not everyone has friends in low places , lol
and max performance , cant be done with a general program , that is the bottom line of what im saying
you might beable to get say 230hp outta a car infornt of you , then using the same program in similar/same modded car 1000 miles away , might only get 223hp , while 1 2000 miles might see 233
Originally Posted by Smokem10
Does this include the 04-06 Saturn Ion RL......since we are basically the same car????
Originally Posted by DTM2188
Do you have Saturday hours? I want to see when I can get to your shop.
Just a quick question...
I want to get GM Stage 2, AEM CAI & GMPP Catback. I'll obviously get stage 2 and the catback first, and then install the CAI. Once all done, or even before I install the CAI, think it'd be possible if I drive down and you guys install the intake and at the same time tune everything for me?
Let me know! I'll be coming from Montreal hehe
I want to get GM Stage 2, AEM CAI & GMPP Catback. I'll obviously get stage 2 and the catback first, and then install the CAI. Once all done, or even before I install the CAI, think it'd be possible if I drive down and you guys install the intake and at the same time tune everything for me?
Let me know! I'll be coming from Montreal hehe
Originally Posted by ludicristSS
Saturday the Dyno is rented throught the summer . It's a mobile unit that goes from show to show on the weekends . I would be able to stay late and do it after 5pm at the Dyno . It's located near Atco Dragway .


