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Old 05-10-2018, 11:48 AM
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Its like James rakes all over again, just without the expletives. lol
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Old 05-10-2018, 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by leemanfor
Its like James rakes all over again, just without the expletives. lol
couldnt have said it any better, this is the tree hugging, almond milk drinking version of james rakes
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why don't you guys just race and we will see who has the better tune
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Cant, Street racing is illegal. Only chassis dyno racing should be allowed.
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Originally Posted by royce777
why don't you guys just race and we will see who has the better tune
exactly no street racing.

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Cant, Street racing is illegal. Only chassis dyno racing should be allowed.
we could race on his dyno, just to see who has the faster 1/4 mile times. not sure if his will read past 200whp though. if thats the case im out of luck
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Originally Posted by hawkssoccer11
exactly no street racing.



we could race on his dyno, just to see who has the faster 1/4 mile times. not sure if his will read past 20whp though. if thats the case im out of luck
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It you decide to tune on a dyno or have someone tune it for you on a dyno, don't waste time or money getting the airflow correct on the dyno. Do maf and ve on the street. Then only do timing on the dyno. If you don't give a **** about fuel mileage, then only worry about the timing at points when your at wide open throttle.

It has been a while since I messed with hpt, but last time I checked, we still cannot change timing on the fly like the v8 engines can. So dyno tuning timing would take forever if you are going for fuel economy at every point in the map.

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It you decide to tune on a dyno or have someone tune it for you on a dyno, don't waste time or money getting the airflow correct on the dyno. Do maf and ve on the street. Then only do timing on the dyno. If you don't give a **** about fuel mileage, then only worry about the timing at points when your at wide open throttle.

It has been a while since I messed with hpt, but last time I checked, we still cannot change timing on the fly like the v8 engines can. So dyno tuning timing would take forever if you are going for fuel economy at every point in the map.

Sorry if the post sucks. On my phone. Thread has been interesting and sad at the same time
good points! when my tuner and i tune, we go and literally cruise for an hour or so. thats when we sit and dial in the fuel trims for daily driving and drive ability. we will do 1-2 pulls on the highway where there is nobody around and get some good data to check for knock and to see if we need to pull or want to add timing. all of my tuning has been on the street and this car has not given me a problem in the 7 years ive owned it.
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Originally Posted by southal cobalt
It you decide to tune on a dyno or have someone tune it for you on a dyno, don't waste time or money getting the airflow correct on the dyno. Do maf and ve on the street. Then only do timing on the dyno. If you don't give a **** about fuel mileage, then only worry about the timing at points when your at wide open throttle.

It has been a while since I messed with hpt, but last time I checked, we still cannot change timing on the fly like the v8 engines can. So dyno tuning timing would take forever if you are going for fuel economy at every point in the map.

Sorry if the post sucks. On my phone. Thread has been interesting and sad at the same time
Sadly we still can't adjust things on the fly like the V8s, otherwise it would be amazing for timing and VVT adjustments
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I agree. We pay just as much for credits and software. Why did we get less support? I say that in past tense, because I would bet money that hpt has forgotten about this platform since the ecu is no longer used. I am talking about lsj anyways. Can't remember what the lnf used

Edit: I know why we didn't get support. Its a numbers game. They made less ss cobalts than v8s, but it's still frustrating
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Originally Posted by southal cobalt
I agree. We pay just as much for credits and software. Why did we get less support? I say that in past tense, because I would bet money that hpt has forgotten about this platform since the ecu is no longer used. I am talking about lsj anyways. Can't remember what the lnf used

Edit: I know why we didn't get support. Its a numbers game. They made less ss cobalts than v8s, but it's still frustrating
hpt still supports our cars. LNF is supported by hpt, was supported by Superchips and trifecta, the only ones who have issues are the base model guys in 2006 if i remember correctly
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Originally Posted by hawkssoccer11




good points! when my tuner and i tune, we go and literally cruise for an hour or so. thats when we sit and dial in the fuel trims for daily driving and drive ability. we will do 1-2 pulls on the highway where there is nobody around and get some good data to check for knock and to see if we need to pull or want to add timing. all of my tuning has been on the street and this car has not given me a problem in the 7 years ive owned it.
yeah, and I'm a bit skeptical that a dyno tune is worth it at all on a high boost turbo application. Any timing you can throw at it should be an increase in power. It seems like the lower compression naturally aspirated engines are where you find sweet spots in timing advance.
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Originally Posted by hawkssoccer11
hpt still supports our cars. LNF is supported by hpt, was supported by Superchips and trifecta, the only ones who have issues are the base model guys in 2006 if i remember correctly
yeah they support it, I just mean that they'll never continue to unlock new tables on the ecus that we don't have access to. Or get us the scanning tools like the v8s have that allow for on the fly timing and vvt changes like ecaulk mentioned.

Support was a wrong choice of word on my part
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No, you can over advance timing to where you aren't generating any more power but just causing more wear. I dont know a lot about Cobalt timing, but I know that much.
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Originally Posted by southal cobalt
yeah, and I'm a bit skeptical that a dyno tune is worth it at all on a high boost turbo application. Any timing you can throw at it should be an increase in power. It seems like the lower compression naturally aspirated engines are where you find sweet spots in timing advance.
thats why we all really like to street tune. fits our platform a little better since we can utilize the power better on the street when data logging.

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yeah they support it, I just mean that they'll never continue to unlock new tables on the ecus that we don't have access to. Or get us the scanning tools like the v8s have that allow for on the fly timing and vvt changes like ecaulk mentioned.

Support was a wrong choice of word on my part
yeah thats the only downfall lol. it would be amazing if we could all for on the fly and vvt changes. but we are stuck with what we have, its a shame because they are really nice cars and then you look at hondas and they have everything under the sun for them to make 200hp lol
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Originally Posted by leemanfor
No, you can over advance timing to where you aren't generating any more power but just causing more wear. I dont know a lot about Cobalt timing, but I know that much.
you run the timing up until you hit knock retard and then kick it back a couple degrees. Knock retard happens long before you lose power on these cars as well as most forced induction engines. If it didn't, no one would be interested in e85, methanol or other octane adders. I am assuming that only people with sense are trying to tune their cars. I'm not saying to set your entire wot portion of the map at 35 degrees and run it.
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Originally Posted by southal cobalt
you run the timing up until you hit knock retard and then kick it back a couple degrees. Knock retard happens long before you lose power on these cars as well as most forced induction engines. If it didn't, no one would be interested in e85, methanol or other octane adders. I am assuming that only people with sense are trying to tune their cars. I'm not saying to set your entire wot portion of the map at 35 degrees and run it.
ah ok. That makes sense. I know that can be done easier on a dyno. but there used to be a tuner who did just that, he'd just keep upping the timing. He has a pretty loyal following on FB still
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Originally Posted by southal cobalt
you run the timing up until you hit knock retard and then kick it back a couple degrees. Knock retard happens long before you lose power on these cars as well as most forced induction engines. If it didn't, no one would be interested in e85, methanol or other octane adders. I am assuming that only people with sense are trying to tune their cars. I'm not saying to set your entire wot portion of the map at 35 degrees and run it.
I've found it's about 26* for the lnf under heavy load for mbt, 27* and 28* didnt net any gain
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I've found it's about 26* for the lnf under heavy load for mbt, 27* and 28* didnt net any gain
im afraid to go that high lol. on e47, i think the highest we get is 22* lol
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Originally Posted by ECaulk
I've found it's about 26* for the lnf under heavy load for mbt, 27* and 28* didnt net any gain
yeah, that's the kind of information that saves people money and time. No 2 setups are the same, but that can help other people from spending 300 bucks an hour on a dyno
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Originally Posted by southal cobalt
yeah, that's the kind of information that saves people money and time. No 2 setups are the same, but that can help other people from spending 300 bucks an hour on a dyno
exactly!
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Originally Posted by hawkssoccer11
im afraid to go that high lol. on e47, i think the highest we get is 22* lol
You should be fine on e47 to push it

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yeah, that's the kind of information that saves people money and time. No 2 setups are the same, but that can help other people from spending 300 bucks an hour on a dyno
Exactly, but it's a decent ROT
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[QUOTE=ECaulk;7686952]You should be fine on e47 to push it

maybe ill add some more to it midrange and go up to 24-25*. up the boost or keep it at 22psi? whats the highest youve gotten out of 93?
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we dont gots no 93 here fam
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Originally Posted by leemanfor
we dont gots no 93 here fam
ohhhh ouch thats right you guys have 91 lol


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