MAF tuning
is there a how to on this anywhere on here, i didnt see it up in the stickys
from what ive saw you have to disable the MAF then tune VE, once thats good how do you know what numbers to enter in for the MAF? |
once you've finished tuning your VE you would then reenable the maf & tune that, there are no set numbers.
Many parts of this how to will transfer over to the p12 pcm http://www.thetuningdoctor.com/HPTun...uningGuide.doc so would be a very good starting point. |
All you really need to do when you get to that stage is record histograms and then rewrite the tables by hand using your experience. You CAN copy them, but it's better to understand what you are looking at so you don't copy over any rogue data. Do it multiple times until you get it closer and closer each time.
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yea i have VE tuning experience from years with my eco cav, that concept I understand totally its the MAF stuff I dont
so you just do the AFR error vs maf thing and slightly add or decrease the maf number at that frequency? i have that ls1 tuning document and from what it says there you base the whole thing around the VE numbers |
MAF has jack shit to do with VE in our cars. they will only use the VE numbers if the MAF is failed or is reading incorrectly.
set up a histogram to log your wideband data vs your maf sensor frequency. you should have a single row of cells which record an average percentage of maf sensor error. copy these percentages and paste special (multiply by percent minus half) into your MAF table of your editor. |
Originally Posted by Bika
(Post 2018502)
MAF has jack shit to do with VE in our cars. they will only use the VE numbers if the MAF is failed or is reading incorrectly.
set up a histogram to log your wideband data vs your maf sensor frequency. you should have a single row of cells which record an average percentage of maf sensor error. copy these percentages and paste special (multiply by percent minus half) into your MAF table of your editor.
Originally Posted by Rodimus_Prime
(Post 2018164)
yea i have VE tuning experience from years with my eco cav, that concept I understand totally its the MAF stuff I dont
so you just do the AFR error vs maf thing and slightly add or decrease the maf number at that frequency? i have that ls1 tuning document and from what it says there you base the whole thing around the VE numbers |
Originally Posted by Rodimus_Prime
(Post 2018164)
yea i have VE tuning experience from years with my eco cav, that concept I understand totally its the MAF stuff I dont
so you just do the AFR error vs maf thing and slightly add or decrease the maf number at that frequency? i have that ls1 tuning document and from what it says there you base the whole thing around the VE numbers |
I see some good stuff in there
for some reason just having one row of data seems too easy :) so i guess thats where my worries were |
One thing that I am going to add to this discussion is the following:
You are running 60s, right? Stay away from VE tuning at first. Start by tuning MAF from 1.2ms on up untill it is dialed (using a plot filter). Then change your plot filter to 1ms and above and see how it goes. Then remove your filter entirely and see how it compairs. The reason for this is because it will give you a chance to distinguish MAF errors from low PW fueling errors so that you can properly get your adders dialed in. The process is much easier to do in MAF, especially since there are some cells that deliver PWs above 1ms and below 1ms depending upon whether you are accelerating or in decel. When you're done getting your adders dialed, go ahead and tune the VE to your heart's content. VE does play a part in our cars during transitional throttle situations and stuff. Not so much that it has to be dead nuts, but if it close and smooth, you should notice a difference. |
Originally Posted by SJSchafer
(Post 2019187)
One thing that I am going to add to this discussion is the following:
You are running 60s, right? Stay away from VE tuning at first. Start by tuning MAF from 1.2ms on up untill it is dialed (using a plot filter). Then change your plot filter to 1ms and above and see how it goes. Then remove your filter entirely and see how it compairs. The reason for this is because it will give you a chance to distinguish MAF errors from low PW fueling errors so that you can properly get your adders dialed in. The process is much easier to do in MAF, especially since there are some cells that deliver PWs above 1ms and below 1ms depending upon whether you are accelerating or in decel. When you're done getting your adders dialed, go ahead and tune the VE to your heart's content. VE does play a part in our cars during transitional throttle situations and stuff. Not so much that it has to be dead nuts, but if it close and smooth, you should notice a difference. |
Originally Posted by neo01
(Post 2019223)
What is a plot filter?
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ve plays a role in cruise control. it means dick in 07's. you can make it look like a pair of tits and the car will run the same.
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Originally Posted by Area47
(Post 2019481)
ve plays a role in cruise control. it means dick in 07's. you can make it look like a pair of tits and the car will run the same.
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not running 60s yet but thats the eventual destination, hmm a VE that looks like boobies! that would be cool
im totally confused here - Start by tuning MAF from 1.2ms on up untill it is dialed (using a plot filter). No idea what that means, whats pulsewith anywhere in the maf table? |
Originally Posted by Area47
(Post 2019481)
ve plays a role in cruise control. it means dick in 07's. you can make it look like a pair of tits and the car will run the same.
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In my 05 I found that doing the VE made is quite a bit smother. This was with 42s and 60s on a 2.8" and 2.6". I didn't get tip-in knock as much after I did VE either.
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Originally Posted by BlackSS/SC
(Post 2019656)
In my 05 I found that doing the VE made is quite a bit smother. This was with 42s and 60s on a 2.8" and 2.6". I didn't get tip-in knock as much after I did VE either.
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don't stab the gas = no tip in knock.
:) steve. it's your imagination. im actually going to make a ve map look like a pair of tits and start sending it to people i has jokes |
Originally Posted by Rodimus_Prime
(Post 2019579)
not running 60s yet but thats the eventual destination, hmm a VE that looks like boobies! that would be cool
im totally confused here - Start by tuning MAF from 1.2ms on up untill it is dialed (using a plot filter). No idea what that means, whats pulsewith anywhere in the maf table?
Originally Posted by Area47
(Post 2019674)
steve. it's your imagination. |
hehehehe. im always good for some sort of screwed up joke somewhere.
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Originally Posted by Area47
(Post 2019674)
im actually going to make a ve map look like a pair of tits and start sending it to people
i has jokes
Originally Posted by Area47
(Post 2019753)
hehehehe. im always good for some sort of screwed up joke somewhere.
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uhhhhhhh dunno.
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sooo anyone feel like playing with my tune, my shit is off, an I don't have any damn time anymore to work on the car.... just upper RPM's are screwy. any free time I've had I'm working on other's cars.... my poor car needs some lovin too lol
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Originally Posted by 06blackg85ss
(Post 2019775)
sooo anyone feel like playing with my tune, my shit is off, an I don't have any damn time anymore to work on the car.... just upper RPM's are screwy. any free time I've had I'm working on other's cars.... my poor car needs some lovin too lol
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that' no problem, I just don't have the time to sit and datalog anymore.... 14 hr work days suck... plus I need to get my truck together asap so I can take the cobalt apart again
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