Tunning whats the difference
11-20-2009, 12:06 AM
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Tunning whats the difference
Can some 1 tell me what is the difference between Trifecta Tuning and hp tunning and which one is going to be better thanks
11-20-2009, 01:38 PM
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HP tuners and Trifecta are two different things same concept they both flash the stock ECU.
Here is the huge difference between them though an HP tuner is a software YOU buy and YOU tune or get a TUNER to tune the car.
TRIFECTA is tuning company that makes a tune for your car sends you the tune and the cable to flash the stock ECU you then send the cable back and that’s it. Only thing is if you change parts or add power to the car you need another tune meaning you have to pay for the service all over gain where with HP tuners you have the software and can just update it yourself if you have basic knowledge of cars and can read and interpret things yourself.
Ryan,
Here is the huge difference between them though an HP tuner is a software YOU buy and YOU tune or get a TUNER to tune the car.
TRIFECTA is tuning company that makes a tune for your car sends you the tune and the cable to flash the stock ECU you then send the cable back and that’s it. Only thing is if you change parts or add power to the car you need another tune meaning you have to pay for the service all over gain where with HP tuners you have the software and can just update it yourself if you have basic knowledge of cars and can read and interpret things yourself.
Ryan,
11-20-2009, 01:45 PM
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thanks seeing as im new i was wondering what the difference was and i am looking into gettin a tune and probley get it frome one of u guys on here so thanks for all the help
11-20-2009, 01:53 PM
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What rscott said is mostly true. If you buy Trifecta, you can either go directly through Vince (the owner) or find a dealer in your area (dealers are on his website... I'm one of them 
). If you were to add some aftermarket parts on that would require a retune for max performace (cold air intake, short ram intake, down pipe) you can get a retune (or update) for a discounted price since you're already a customer. The main difference between Hp and Trifecta is doing it yourself or a independent tuner (HP) vs. having Vince tune the car for you and make adjustments through datalogging (Trifecta). If you have any further questions you can PM me and I'll help you out!
). If you were to add some aftermarket parts on that would require a retune for max performace (cold air intake, short ram intake, down pipe) you can get a retune (or update) for a discounted price since you're already a customer. The main difference between Hp and Trifecta is doing it yourself or a independent tuner (HP) vs. having Vince tune the car for you and make adjustments through datalogging (Trifecta). If you have any further questions you can PM me and I'll help you out!
11-21-2009, 09:22 PM
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my cynical input - hptuners gets your money and you get the ability to tune a shell of all the parameters. then you reach a limit and hptuners tells you to pound sand.
the trifecta tune is not a user editable tune per say, but at least we can see that vince is highly motivated to continue investing time in the platform.
summary - hptuners made it to the LNF market first, and made a lot of money in the process, but only gives us a small fraction of what we need.
trifecta came along later and is not editable, but at least they are still doing R&D in a dedicated fashion. I'd recommend trifecta 100% of the time if you have one car to tune and probably about 90% of the time if you have multiple cars to tune.
The biggest advantage of HPT is that i paid more upfront, but i got to tune my cavalier and gxp.
the trifecta tune is not a user editable tune per say, but at least we can see that vince is highly motivated to continue investing time in the platform.
summary - hptuners made it to the LNF market first, and made a lot of money in the process, but only gives us a small fraction of what we need.
trifecta came along later and is not editable, but at least they are still doing R&D in a dedicated fashion. I'd recommend trifecta 100% of the time if you have one car to tune and probably about 90% of the time if you have multiple cars to tune.
The biggest advantage of HPT is that i paid more upfront, but i got to tune my cavalier and gxp.
11-22-2009, 03:59 AM
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Trifecta is your best bet right now. Because he is, and will continue to be, backing the LNF platform. HPT seems like they just want to go elsewhere.
11-23-2009, 06:30 AM
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Still like i said before. if all these LNF Guys feel that trifecta is better not gonna argue there. But all of us Hp tuned lsjs like hp tuners. Yeah theres those un lucky few that got trifecta and now are stuck with the tune they got. But i can change mine anytime. Another thing about hp tuners. is they are coming out with new stuff all the time. so dont mis communicate.
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11-23-2009, 01:31 PM
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All the time? Are you kidding me...
They released overboost over 3 months ago. That was the first table they had unlocked for almost a year. They have not unlocked anything besides that since the initial release.
They released overboost over 3 months ago. That was the first table they had unlocked for almost a year. They have not unlocked anything besides that since the initial release.
11-23-2009, 06:55 PM
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I just chime in here as I too am a bit lost in the different tuning options.
But my concern is that I need the best tuning option available, plus the best "tunable GM PCM" for my SC-ed 2,2 in a rwd car... (Different crank, cam sensor + coil on plugs etc. will be NO problem.)
Only the PCM will have to operate with the ETB and without CAN issues, so the LSJ's P12 is probably my only option. Right?
Leaves the question of the tuning... HpT? Trifecta? other?
But my concern is that I need the best tuning option available, plus the best "tunable GM PCM" for my SC-ed 2,2 in a rwd car... (Different crank, cam sensor + coil on plugs etc. will be NO problem.)
Only the PCM will have to operate with the ETB and without CAN issues, so the LSJ's P12 is probably my only option. Right?
Leaves the question of the tuning... HpT? Trifecta? other?
11-24-2009, 06:14 AM
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Since you are gonna do all theat. You will prob have to go with a stand alone fuel man, and so forth bro. Hp tuners comes out with stuff and is truly the best on the market for us AT HOME, OR EVEN SHOP TUNERS. Trifecta might be good tuner source, but why would i pay 300$ for a one time tune when i can pay from 500$-7000$ for a tuneable source until i get rid of the car. Yeah trifecta might be good for that one tune. But what if you move states, to a colder, or warmer place, or you are s/c right now, and you wanna go turbo, i mean no point if you will keep modding. Trifecta or hptuners, or even stand alone. there is so many options one can take. It is jsut how good of a tuner he is. Thats what will make him decide
11-24-2009, 12:50 PM
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Since you are gonna do all theat. You will prob have to go with a stand alone fuel man, and so forth bro. Hp tuners comes out with stuff and is truly the best on the market for us AT HOME, OR EVEN SHOP TUNERS. Trifecta might be good tuner source, but why would i pay 300$ for a one time tune when i can pay from 500$-7000$ for a tuneable source until i get rid of the car. Yeah trifecta might be good for that one tune. But what if you move states, to a colder, or warmer place, or you are s/c right now, and you wanna go turbo, i mean no point if you will keep modding. Trifecta or hptuners, or even stand alone. there is so many options one can take. It is jsut how good of a tuner he is. Thats what will make him decide
11-24-2009, 01:11 PM
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just so you all know SCT will be releasing tuning software for cobalts with the e16a ecu...which is the 05/06 2.2's...so those of you that dont want trifecta will soon have a way to tune your car urself
11-24-2009, 01:48 PM
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If you like to DIY, get HPTuners. If you want to just flash some more power to the car without worrying about anything, get Trifecta.
No offense to Trifecta, but someone said HPT is limited etc.. And while I agree it is, I still see people making more power with that then with a Trifecta tune. So if that is also a concern, you want to get the most you can, I would go HPT and custom tune.
No offense to Trifecta, but someone said HPT is limited etc.. And while I agree it is, I still see people making more power with that then with a Trifecta tune. So if that is also a concern, you want to get the most you can, I would go HPT and custom tune.
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And HPT reaches a limit with the stock turbo, really. All I said about HPT being limited is when you want to go with a bigger turbo. Otherwise its fine. Customer support sucks dick though.
11-24-2009, 02:03 PM
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Customer support is ok, it jsut if you are a diy then hp tuner is the way to go, because you can tune it for your lead foot and learn your car bettery with a canned tune all you can really do it,you get used to the car. So if you know how to tune then get hptuners. and all of us that use hp tuners can help you man, it is fun. truly is.
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11-24-2009, 02:14 PM
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I myself say if you are a diyselfer, hptuner is the way do go. so if you are not alot of us hptuner guys/gals can helpy ou tune the balt
No bro lol i was talking to any one in general. I love helping my other ss buddys out with hptuners.
No bro lol i was talking to any one in general. I love helping my other ss buddys out with hptuners.
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11-24-2009, 02:17 PM
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here is the link to the SCT updates im providing if anyone is interested
https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/tuning-131/2-2-tuning-sct-195198/
https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/tuning-131/2-2-tuning-sct-195198/
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If you like to DIY, get HPTuners. If you want to just flash some more power to the car without worrying about anything, get Trifecta.
No offense to Trifecta, but someone said HPT is limited etc.. And while I agree it is, I still see people making more power with that then with a Trifecta tune. So if that is also a concern, you want to get the most you can, I would go HPT and custom tune.
No offense to Trifecta, but someone said HPT is limited etc.. And while I agree it is, I still see people making more power with that then with a Trifecta tune. So if that is also a concern, you want to get the most you can, I would go HPT and custom tune.
Cliffnotes - Unless you thoroughly enjoy and are passionate about street tuning/doing you own tuning, you won't come out ahead with HPT in a dollar per result standpoint.
Now, where HPT is supposed to shine is extensively modded engines (read as big turbo, ported head, high rpm). However that is where they suck the most *****. We have vince and zzp with fuel pressure modifications to achieve >400whp, and we have hpt with closing throttle plates that have boned a quite a few over the past two years or so (one example of ECU shenanigans that HPT has not helped us with).
After you've invested so much in your hardware, which would you choose? BTW, assume you will get zero new tables from HPT, it's a good assumption. I asked hpt about lean cruise tables and they told me, "that's illegal, we will never support lean cruise". However they do support turning off emissions related CEL's. Talk about lame...
11-29-2009, 03:19 AM
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Since you are gonna do all theat. You will prob have to go with a stand alone fuel man, and so forth bro. Hp tuners comes out with stuff and is truly the best on the market for us AT HOME, OR EVEN SHOP TUNERS. Trifecta might be good tuner source, but why would i pay 300$ for a one time tune when i can pay from 500$-700$ for a tuneable source until i get rid of the car. Yeah trifecta might be good for that one tune. But what if you move states, to a colder, or warmer place, or you are s/c right now, and you wanna go turbo, i mean no point if you will keep modding. Trifecta or hptuners, or even stand alone. there is so many options one can take. It is jsut how good of a tuner he is. Thats what will make him decide