astrocrep

My friend has an 05 Mustang GT its really nice and really fast, 300hp I think. The big catch is, its an AUTO.

I was cruising with him once and I was following him and every time he sped up (punched it) I would struggle (in other words, unable) to keep up. Just like when I go with srt4s from a roll.

However, from a line I can usually get a jump on an srt4 up until about 60 or 70.

Do you guys think there is anyway chance in hell I can take his gt? Be it from a stop or roll.

I am not talking about going to 100mph+ but like a stop to 70/80.

Any chance, any?

Thanks
Rich

R33P3R007

maybe. if you get the launch down perfect. since he has an Auto...wait, does the GT even come Auto? I dunno, but yeah thats probly the only way. cause your gonna have to own him quick and hope he doesn't catch up

3fo893013L

Even the Autos are no joke. From a roll you can get him, from a dig maybe not. I do know that when I raced an 05 GT stick from a roll I stood a semi better chance then from a dig. I lost by 3 car lengths.

astrocrep

So there may be a small glimmer of hope. Yea its def an auto, I drove in it before... its got one SWEET sound to it. That v8 sounds beefy as hell.

Thanks

-Rich

3fo893013L

Auto's don't provide the same power as a stick would so his normal sweet spots would be missing that the GT shines on otherwise if it was a stick. Definitly a powerloss but it ain't much of a power for it being a 5-speed auto.

-Mike

codyss

How did you loose by 3 car lengths from a roll?

Auto or not even the manual 05-06 GT isn't very impressive from a roll. I absolutly destroy them in my Camaro SS.

The roads were finally dried off yesterday and I ran into a 05-06 GT just going out of town on a four lane. He was looking at my car so I gave a nod. We both punched it around 45-50mph.

It was dead even until he let off at about 100mph.

We pulled over at the airport, because he wanted to see what the S/C looked like. He was very impressed.

Cobalt443

i hear ya' on that...the new gt's do not impress me one bit

Dragonsfire12345

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I raced a 2005 Mustang GT and I got my A$$ Handed to me lol

victoryredss

the new gt's aint ****! saw an auto vrs. stick at the track and they both ran worst times than our ss/sc's. the stick ran .3tenths better than the auto but that was still a 15.3 lol! maybe it was the drivers but it seemed like they were all running those times

helty

does he have any mods? another big PITA with the 05's is the delayed throttle response due to the drive-by-wire technology. they are a bit heavier than 99-04s but also have more power. they can break 12's with DR's and a few bolt-ons. the auto may be the x-factor, as well as whether he can drive or not. i think he'll win.
and if you saw an 05 run a 15.3, it wasnt a GT or the drivers all sucked ass. (which is very possible bc most 05 owners i've met are.....like the stereotypical corvette owners of the GM family) they are mid 13 second cars bone stock.

either way, wait a few weeks/months and take it to the track.

victoryredss

thought they were the 6 cyl. myself till i went to check them out! i thought they were supposed to be in the low 13's myself

bdwarr6

I pwn GT's

ac2626sd

I have ran a couple of GTs as long as you get them from the line, otherwise it to hard for the cobalt to catch up. from 70 to 130 that mustang is very powerful

Blainestang

Yeah those driver's were clearly retarded.

A bone stock AUTO V6 has gone 15.0.

codyss

99-04 GT owners will tell you there car runs 13.9, 05-06 GT owners say mid to low 13's.

In reality a 99-04 GT is a low 14 second car and the 05-06 GT is a mid to high 13 second car.

As for a 05-06 V6 running a 15.0 bone stock, how?

Blainestang

I'd say that a 99-04 GT is capable of 13.9 but usually runs low 14's with decent driving and that the only 05-06 GT's that are running low 13's have EXCELLENT drivers. Even then, 13.3 or 13.4 is the best I've heard.

Anyway, here's the link the the 15.0 for a bone stock '05 Auto V6.

It's better than most expected, but considering it makes ~20whp more than the 99-04 Auto's and has a FAR superior 5-speed Auto (as opposed to 4-speed), it's not totally unbelievable...

TXRLU

I've heard 15.3 as the best number for a V-6 Mustang. Of course Mustang owners will tell you that the GTs will run mid 13s. So the Mustang GTs still aren't as quick as the old Camaro SS/WS6 Firebird from a few years ago? I ran into what appeared to be an 03-04 GT convertible once, and he had trouble keeping up with me on the Highway for the most part. I've never been a big fan of the Mustang. I'm not sure how well this current model's design will last since it borrows heavily on the mustangs of the old days. So what stage would be required to have performance numbers better than the GT mustang? Stage I or Stage II?

Blainestang

Well, I'll comment on a couple of these questions/statements.

1. Even 5-speed 99-04 V6's are capable of better than 15.3. Mine, when slower than stock (heavy 17's) went 15.5@90 with a fairly crappy 2.331 60'. Evan Smith of Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords magazine went 14.94 in a 99 merely by removing the spare tire.

2. Yes, LS1's are still faster than GT's. The Mach 1, however was a driver's race with an LS1.

3. I have no clue what it would take for a Cobalt or RL to equal a 99-04 or 05 GT. It definately depends on whether you are talking about in the 1/4 or from a roll or something else. From a roll, it is a close race between a 99-04 GT 5-speed and a Cobalt SS/ RL though the 05 should pull away. On the other hand, a properly driven 99-04 GT should be a few tenths ahead in the 1/4 and the 05 should be a few more.

Realistically, the average 05 GT runs mid-high 13's, 99-04's run low 14's, and Cobalts run mid 14's.

All may be capable of better, but anything better is a rarity for any of them.



Oh, yeah, and here's the link for the 15.0 '05 Auto V6.... http://www.3.8mustang.com/forum/show...80#post1821280

codyss

I will give Mustang GT's credit in the " From a Dig " department but from a roll they are out gunned easily.

As much as some hate roll racing I don't mind. When it comes to Mustang GT's the 05-06 GT is a little better but still not great. From anything over 45mph a near stock 99-04 GT is Cobalt SS/SC food, the longer the sprint the further they fall back.

The 05 GT I raced killed my by a car from a dig to 80mph. From a roll they are a litle better than the 99-04 which is why we were dead even.


!!!! And Helty the Coablt SS uses a Fly By Wire throttle also !!!!

As for Mach1's being a drivers race for LS1 F-Bodies, maybe in the 1/4 but after that the Mach dies like a fish out of water. I cannot belive how bad I beat Mach1's from a roll in my Camaro.

helty

I did not know that. thanks. but wouldn't having a roots type blower help out a little bit compared to a N/A car? not trying to argue, just curious. with the blower you'd get that instant boost as soon as the T/B blade opens up, whereas the N/A would still have to get into your powerband. no?

man, cars today are getting to hi-tech. how bout some fuggin pushrods

codyss

I myself am not a fan of electronic throttle control.

Hell some european cars even have brake by wire and steering by wire, thats when I start riding my bike again.

ExHondaMan

I work on Mercedes and our current E, CLS, and SL Class have SBC Brakes (Brake by wire)... They are horrible... I think there is currently 4 or 5 recalls on them... They have been a complete disaster and when the models are all redesigned they will be going away. I believe MB tried to get a steering by wire setup for the US and it was rejected hard by USDOT.

*EDIT* Oh yeah.... My dad has an 05 GT 5spd and when I was stock we ran a couple times from a dig to 100.... He owned me hard... and hes not a very good driver.

TXRLU

ANY forced induction will help out regardless. Force feeding air into any engine is going to yield better results. About the only problem you might run into by forced induction is if the engine is not sturdy enough to handle the extra air/power. When you compare the performance V-8s from GM and Ford however, that's where I find the Ford's V-8 to be a bit lacking. The way I see it is if an owner wants to add more power to the car, the V-8 from Ford has a lower ceiling than the V-8 from GM since the Ford already has forced induction. You could probably run moderate boost on GM's current 7.0L V-8 and get easily 600+ HP which would easily trump the V-8 inside the Ford GT.

03EBZ06

You know I once saw Cobalt SS/SC run high 15s and saw 06 Z06 run mid 13s due to horrible drivers, but I'm not going to go by those numbers, nor will I say these cars aren't **** because I know those sorry numbers aren't indicative of what these cars can do, just like that GT you saw with a sorry driver getting 15 second pass.

trent_ky

My mom has an 05 AUTO GT and she ran a 13.6 in the 1/4 at a track thats about an hour from my house. After driving both her car and mine I think you could beat it from a dig if you launch right and then the GT will start pulling on you after you hit 60-70mph. Me and my mom are going to race when i get good at the manual and quit missing third (anyone else have this problem?).