g5mike

i have seen a couple 15.1-15.4 from 2.2 but they were spraying.

scottw03

Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, not stock then.

REIGN SS

ok first off there is a big difference between 15.5/7 and 15.2


and second do you know how VVT works, or even v-tec? Stop listening to the fanboi's and know-it-wrongs and do some research.

if you can run a 15.2 in your bone stock LS, then with your exhaust and better tires you should be able to hit 14.9, or hell even duplicate that 15.2 and get it on video...

Brandon97Z

iTrader: (1)

I'd really like to see you put that thing on some scales and see what the weight is. But you obviously have something to prove so don't pull the "i don't care what you think" when you seem to care very much what we think. And stop giving people additude it doesn't help your cause.

Hockeyman

iTrader: (4)

i believe you, i've raced my friend's 2.2 when my SS/SC was stock and he has minimal mods and he slowly inched away. It's totally possible for a 2.2 with the driver mod to run those times. His car is also has no options on it. If he wants to speak up he's on the forum but he'll get flamed too i bet.

scottw03

So a 148 hp car was inching away from a 200 hp car? So what does that say about the SS/SC? I guess 50 extra hp and 50 or so extra lbs of torque doesn't mean much.

Supercharged06

i raced my cousin's G5 GT with my lt balt we were both autos and i kept him at my door untill about 70-75 mph then when it shifted to overdrive he walked right past me
i def think its possible that he ran a 15.2
and to the o.p. good kill

evilgoat

Shame On You Guys, He Showed His Time Slips And Still Call That Bs Jeshhh To Much Evny I Smell

Archie

Dude, there is no envy whatsoever. It just isn't physically possible. If the car is at stock weight, and stock power, there is no way. At 2850lbs (wet weight + 150lb driver) the car would require about 160 wheel horsepower to run a 15.29. And that would be getting perfect traction with perfect shifts. That is more stock whp than a SS 2.4L!!!

I honestly think that he ran the 17.xx quarter mile, and he was racing a Civic EX w/ B18 and fully bolted that ran the 15.29.

Jackalope

No hate, no envy () its just BS plain and simple.

Why is it that his 2.2 is a full second faster then everyone else's 2.2? Thats the question that no one seems to be able to give an answer to. It is physicaly impossible for a bone stock 2.2 powered Cobalt to run a 15.2, IMPOSSIBLE! I don't care how many time slips he posts or videos he shows NO car that weighs just under 3000 and has 145 hp is gonna turn a 15.2 in a 1/4 mile!

Unless his car can bend space and time or warp reality somehow its just not gonna happen.

Now this is more believable!

Here check out this link. Mathmaticly it is impossible.

http://www.robrobinette.com/et.htm

And 20hp is a big enough difference to make a winner or loser. As for your 15.7 run you said yourself that you have your exhaust modded so your not stock then are you? A modded 2.2 can do it, a bone stock one like he's claiming his is CAN NOT.

06G5GT

I believe him.

I would call BS if he was showing us a trap speed of 92-93mph. He's not. The mph on the timeslip is only slightly higher than average for a 2.2

Quite simply, if he can find a way to launch at a high rpm and actually hook up at the line, it most certainly is possible.

I worked with a guy that I called BS on when he said his 00 SiR with just an intake was running 14.8s. He showed me timeslips and I still didn't believe him. Then I saw it happen at the track. How did he do it. He had a pair of almost bald winter tires on an extra set of rims. He swapped them at the track and launched at 4500rpm. He hooked up and was gone like a shot.

His SiR wasn't really faster than anyone else's but it just shows that if you can hook up at the line, you'll do well. And yeah, he had to rebuild the trans not long after coming up with this scheme. LOL.

Jackalope

Mathmaticly it is imposible! Did you check the link I posted? Its a simple 1/4 mile calculater, it doesn't figure wheel spin, aerodynamics, wind speed, or anything! All it does is take the cars weight, the cars HP, and gives you what it can run. He would have to gut his car down to 2200 pounds to run a 15.2 or he's spraying. Either way thats NOT a stock Cobalt.

Heres the link again in case you missed it. Sorry but you can't change physics no matter how much you want to.

http://www.robrobinette.com/et.htm

Brandon97Z

iTrader: (1)

Its not hard to find a slip on the net.

eurochevy

as the origional BS caller of this thread i would like to thank jackalope and all the other very knowledgable (even if i spelt that wrong)..ss.net members that aided in the proving that a stock 2.2 is not able to do 15.2 even if jesus was driving it, plain and simple (and yes i believe the honda b18 with w/e vs him doing the 17 second or w/e makes absolute sense) thnk u and goodnight

sick06cobalt

what does the 2.4 speedo go up to?

Jimmys2007CobaltSS/C

iTrader: (1)

i cant see a base 2.2 stock running a 15.2...dats bull....a bad ss.sc drive can run high 14's and 15.08...which i seen some b4ore....i aint bashing on u but thats not happening

140mph

Jackalope

Well dude when your right your right. And you my friend are RIGHT!

eurochevy

alrighttttttt giggidy..giggidy haha

06G5GT

The calculator is an estimator only. There is room for improvement of any of the numbers it produces simply because it leaves out way too many variables.

Using the argument you've presented, it would be pointless for any racer to add drag radials to his car. Drag radials don't improve power now do they? Yet, adding drag radials results in better times. Seeing a pattern yet? Better et's with the same or slightly better trap speed.

I can't say for sure that buddy isn't pulling our collective legs with his timeslips. But what he's claiming isn't as farfetched as what you're making it out to be. I had the exact same mentality as you before I saw the guy at work run a 14.8 with a near stock SiR. But as I found out the hatd way, 1/4 racing on the internet is not the same as doing it in real life.

SS_Ry

this would cover the drag radial problem.....

Jackalope

That calculater gives you the best case senareo (sp?) not worst.

And near stock isn't the same as bone stock now is it? I KNOW a 2.2 can run those times. But no way in its stock form, sorry ain't happening. I'm not going off internet racing here but 20 years of MY PERSONIAL experence at the track. A 145 hp car weighing in at 2800 pounds WILL NOT RUN A 15.2, PERIOD.

Archie

Fixed it.

How do people not get that!!??!?!?!?! It just isn't possible. Physics do not lie. 90mph trap on a 2.2 stock? I don't think so. I was lucky when I hit my 2.4 and got an 86mph trap.

The stock continentals have no chance of hitting much quicker than a 2.4 60'. I could possibly see a 2.35, but no faster. And sure as hell not a 2.0. Think about it. The SS/sc cobalts are getting 2.0 60's with drag radials and and extra 50whp and 50 wht.

I honestly don't think our stock motored 2.2s are capable of running 60 feet in 2 seconds flat.

Jackalope

Thanks for the spell check! And yeah its just plain impossible to get a stock 2.2 to run a 15.2. Well unless John Force is pushing it or you drive it off a cliff!

alleycat58

What part of Pittsburgh are you in? I haven't seen a 2.2 break into the 15s at PRP yet. Not saying I don't think it's possible, but the fastest for a stock or slightly modded 2.2 realistically would be about a 15.7.

He was talking 2.2 vs 2.4 SS/NA, not 2.2 vs 2.0 SS/SC


The 2.2 60' time also puts a 15.2 out of the picture. That's a good but not great launch. Definitely not good enough for 15.2 in a stock 2.2. Plus realisticly HP wise you're looking at more like 125-130whp.

What stands out is that the bolt-on 2.4s, at least around here, are hitting right around 15 flat. So they've got a roughly 35whp advantage and they're only .2 faster?

06G5GT

And a 160hp 2600lb car should not run 14.8 in my mind either but it did.