2.2 base model vs 2.4 ss
09-22-2007, 10:03 PM
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What part of Pittsburgh are you in? I haven't seen a 2.2 break into the 15s at PRP yet. Not saying I don't think it's possible, but the fastest for a stock or slightly modded 2.2 realistically would be about a 15.7.
He was talking 2.2 vs 2.4 SS/NA, not 2.2 vs 2.0 SS/SC
The 2.2 60' time also puts a 15.2 out of the picture. That's a good but not great launch. Definitely not good enough for 15.2 in a stock 2.2. Plus realisticly HP wise you're looking at more like 125-130whp.
What stands out is that the bolt-on 2.4s, at least around here, are hitting right around 15 flat. So they've got a roughly 35whp advantage and they're only .2 faster?
He was talking 2.2 vs 2.4 SS/NA, not 2.2 vs 2.0 SS/SC
The 2.2 60' time also puts a 15.2 out of the picture. That's a good but not great launch. Definitely not good enough for 15.2 in a stock 2.2. Plus realisticly HP wise you're looking at more like 125-130whp.
What stands out is that the bolt-on 2.4s, at least around here, are hitting right around 15 flat. So they've got a roughly 35whp advantage and they're only .2 faster?
I'll say it again and I'll scream it from the tallest mountain top! A bone stock 2.2 Cobalt WILL NEVER EVER run a 15.2! NEVER NEVER NEVER EVER IN A BILLION YEARS NEVER EVER! A stock 145 hp Cobalt weighing in at 2800 pounds CAN NOT run a 15.2! It is physicaly IMPOSSIBLE!
And if he's running a flux capasiter then its no longer stock!
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09-22-2007, 10:08 PM
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Oh God thank you!
And yet when you plug those numbers into the calculater it comes up with a 14.75. Hmmmm. So far his car is right in line with what the calculater says it can do. Also you said it had an exhaust. So you see YOURS is believable, HIS is not. He's either spraying or its gutted but either way thats not stock.
I'll say it again and I'll scream it from the tallest mountain top! A bone stock 2.2 Cobalt WILL NEVER EVER run a 15.2! NEVER NEVER NEVER EVER IN A BILLION YEARS NEVER EVER! A stock 145 hp Cobalt weighing in at 2800 pounds CAN NOT run a 15.2! It is physicaly IMPOSSIBLE!
And if he's running a flux capasiter then its no longer stock!
And yet when you plug those numbers into the calculater it comes up with a 14.75. Hmmmm. So far his car is right in line with what the calculater says it can do. Also you said it had an exhaust. So you see YOURS is believable, HIS is not. He's either spraying or its gutted but either way thats not stock.
I'll say it again and I'll scream it from the tallest mountain top! A bone stock 2.2 Cobalt WILL NEVER EVER run a 15.2! NEVER NEVER NEVER EVER IN A BILLION YEARS NEVER EVER! A stock 145 hp Cobalt weighing in at 2800 pounds CAN NOT run a 15.2! It is physicaly IMPOSSIBLE!
And if he's running a flux capasiter then its no longer stock!
09-22-2007, 10:14 PM
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i still can't believe this conversation is going on when its physically impossible to do 15.2 in a 2.2 BONE STOCK modded yes any thing modded can go fast but not stock with 130 whp realistically
09-22-2007, 10:17 PM
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09-22-2007, 10:24 PM
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Okay fellas I'm done trying to teach you guys some common sense, but some of you don't listen.
I try to impart some knowledge, I try to get you to learn a few new things, but when the point isn't getting across, I guess I just have to figure that some of you will never learn.
Listen to Jackalope, he has a brain and actually uses it.
I offer $200 for bridge number 1!!! lol
I try to impart some knowledge, I try to get you to learn a few new things, but when the point isn't getting across, I guess I just have to figure that some of you will never learn.
Listen to Jackalope, he has a brain and actually uses it.
I offer $200 for bridge number 1!!! lol
09-22-2007, 10:26 PM
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Not really. The little bit of power that an intake gains doesn't explain anything. We've still have two cases where a car is said to be doing something that our current knowledge and experience says it cannot do.
09-23-2007, 06:04 AM
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Fixed it. 
How do people not get that!!??!?!?!?! It just isn't possible. Physics do not lie. 90mph trap on a 2.2 stock? I don't think so. I was lucky when I hit my 2.4 and got an 86mph trap.
The stock continentals have no chance of hitting much quicker than a 2.4 60'. I could possibly see a 2.35, but no faster. And sure as hell not a 2.0. Think about it. The SS/sc cobalts are getting 2.0 60's with drag radials and and extra 50whp and 50 wht.
I honestly don't think our stock motored 2.2s are capable of running 60 feet in 2 seconds flat.
How do people not get that!!??!?!?!?! It just isn't possible. Physics do not lie. 90mph trap on a 2.2 stock? I don't think so. I was lucky when I hit my 2.4 and got an 86mph trap.
The stock continentals have no chance of hitting much quicker than a 2.4 60'. I could possibly see a 2.35, but no faster. And sure as hell not a 2.0. Think about it. The SS/sc cobalts are getting 2.0 60's with drag radials and and extra 50whp and 50 wht.
I honestly don't think our stock motored 2.2s are capable of running 60 feet in 2 seconds flat.
j/kThe calculator is an estimator only. There is room for improvement of any of the numbers it produces simply because it leaves out way too many variables.
Using the argument you've presented, it would be pointless for any racer to add drag radials to his car. Drag radials don't improve power now do they? Yet, adding drag radials results in better times. Seeing a pattern yet? Better et's with the same or slightly better trap speed.
I can't say for sure that buddy isn't pulling our collective legs with his timeslips. But what he's claiming isn't as farfetched as what you're making it out to be. I had the exact same mentality as you before I saw the guy at work run a 14.8 with a near stock SiR. But as I found out the hatd way, 1/4 racing on the internet is not the same as doing it in real life.
Using the argument you've presented, it would be pointless for any racer to add drag radials to his car. Drag radials don't improve power now do they? Yet, adding drag radials results in better times. Seeing a pattern yet? Better et's with the same or slightly better trap speed.
I can't say for sure that buddy isn't pulling our collective legs with his timeslips. But what he's claiming isn't as farfetched as what you're making it out to be. I had the exact same mentality as you before I saw the guy at work run a 14.8 with a near stock SiR. But as I found out the hatd way, 1/4 racing on the internet is not the same as doing it in real life.
i believe you, i've raced my friend's 2.2 when my SS/SC was stock and he has minimal mods and he slowly inched away. It's totally possible for a 2.2 with the driver mod to run those times. His car is also has no options on it. If he wants to speak up he's on the forum but he'll get flamed too i bet.
And Hockeyman0920 owns a 07 Cobalt SS SC according to his signature.
So my statement stands, a car with 50 more hp and 50 more ft lbs of torque got inched out by a car with 148 hp? I am assuming the 148 hp is at the fly wheel and not at the wheels but then again I haven't looked for any dyno sheets to say whether or not it is BHP or WHP.
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09-23-2007, 09:35 AM
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Yes its running 145 at the fly wheel VS. 173 at the flywheel. Now a crappy driver can **** anything up so the 2.4 could lose to a 2.2 I have no issue there. I do take issue to lyers and to lay claim that a bone stock 2.2 Cobalt ran a 15.2 in a 1/4 is a bold faced lie.
You can NOT change physics no matter how hard to you try to argue or how many what if's you throw out or how many time slips or vids you post its just NEVER going to happen.
As for your buddy's car 06G5 I'd like to see a dyno of HIS car, not just a generic one of the same type of car because again if the numbers don't match up, somethings up.
Remember figures don't lie but lyers figure. You CAN NOT change the laws of physics to suit your needs/arguement. And the laws of physics say that a 2800 pound car with 145 HP at the flywheel will run mid 16's. If you don't like that go argue it with Sir Issac Newton or Einstien cause I've pointed out their laws yet your SURE you can get around them.
You can NOT change physics no matter how hard to you try to argue or how many what if's you throw out or how many time slips or vids you post its just NEVER going to happen.
As for your buddy's car 06G5 I'd like to see a dyno of HIS car, not just a generic one of the same type of car because again if the numbers don't match up, somethings up.
Remember figures don't lie but lyers figure. You CAN NOT change the laws of physics to suit your needs/arguement. And the laws of physics say that a 2800 pound car with 145 HP at the flywheel will run mid 16's. If you don't like that go argue it with Sir Issac Newton or Einstien cause I've pointed out their laws yet your SURE you can get around them.
09-23-2007, 10:16 AM
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Well, I know what an SS/SC and an SS look like, but you didn't quote a post when you replied so I assumed you were referring to the thread in general, which was about an SS/NA vs a 2.2. Sorry for the confusion.
09-23-2007, 01:26 PM
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Cool, I can understand that being confusing. I think it was only like a post or two under post I was replying to but it is all good. I can see that getting mixed up.
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so basically your saying cobalt15.7 is that your 2.2 ran under a 16 which everyone else on here is claiming that there IS NOT WAY POSSIBLE for a 2.2 to run a 15.999999999 or faster when they are stock. so basically anyone on where how is saying that their stock 2.2 balt runs a 16.00 or above is good but anyone who says theirs runs a 15.99 or lower is a liar. and my gf has the video of my 15.5 or 15.7 run where i beat an old stingray with only exhaust upgrade so ill have to get her to send that to me then post it on here cuz from what everyone is saying my car cant run that fast stock and i still to this day have no motor work done and the only thing i have to do to get the custom axle back on is cut the stock and weld mine on. and honestly what i think bout 2.4 vvt is they tried to act like a damn honda with v-tec
and ive also seen dynos of the stock 2.4 and stock 2.2... they are only like 20 hp 20 tq different
and ive also seen dynos of the stock 2.4 and stock 2.2... they are only like 20 hp 20 tq different
yous gots no ideas what chu talkin bouts.
Yes its running 145 at the fly wheel VS. 173 at the flywheel. Now a crappy driver can **** anything up so the 2.4 could lose to a 2.2 I have no issue there. I do take issue to lyers and to lay claim that a bone stock 2.2 Cobalt ran a 15.2 in a 1/4 is a bold faced lie.
You can NOT change physics no matter how hard to you try to argue or how many what if's you throw out or how many time slips or vids you post its just NEVER going to happen.
As for your buddy's car 06G5 I'd like to see a dyno of HIS car, not just a generic one of the same type of car because again if the numbers don't match up, somethings up.
Remember figures don't lie but lyers figure. You CAN NOT change the laws of physics to suit your needs/arguement. And the laws of physics say that a 2800 pound car with 145 HP at the flywheel will run mid 16's. If you don't like that go argue it with Sir Issac Newton or Einstien cause I've pointed out their laws yet your SURE you can get around them.
You can NOT change physics no matter how hard to you try to argue or how many what if's you throw out or how many time slips or vids you post its just NEVER going to happen.
As for your buddy's car 06G5 I'd like to see a dyno of HIS car, not just a generic one of the same type of car because again if the numbers don't match up, somethings up.
Remember figures don't lie but lyers figure. You CAN NOT change the laws of physics to suit your needs/arguement. And the laws of physics say that a 2800 pound car with 145 HP at the flywheel will run mid 16's. If you don't like that go argue it with Sir Issac Newton or Einstien cause I've pointed out their laws yet your SURE you can get around them.
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09-23-2007, 04:51 PM
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hell i have a header dp cat back aem intake and there is no way in hell he ran that low stock....... I know i couldnt hardly get that now im 90% sure that i cant get a low 15
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09-23-2007, 06:10 PM
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i dont think its posible eather to run a 15. stock. with some good weather conditions i ran a 15.5 1/4 running 89 octain mods were injen cai custom duel cat back exhaust lowered and 18s with bfg gforce t/a kdw. thats my best run with out the system in the trunk
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SORRY FOR TAKING SO LONG....
For everyone who believes me then you will be happy when i get the video and thanks. i was at my girls in pittsburgh since sat morn. she dont have the internet thats why ive said nothing since then.
REIGNftSOLDIER: so if i take a video of me doing a 14.9 with just the rims/tires and the axle back that im waiting to weld on you will believe me? second i have built a few v-tec with my buddy (we both go to wyotech in Indiana, Pa) so yes i know about v-tec, no i dont know about 2.4 vvt but im too much of a fan of the 2.2 to want a 2.4 or spend all the time ive spent on 2.2 to relearn an engine.
Brandon97Z: scale? when i get it inspected and my license back i can do that but its not an LS. its lower than that. it has no power nething and the 4lug steelies. i paid 10 out the door for my car in 2005 and i didnt do smart buy. so your guess on weight is as good as mine but could i take it to somewhere that fills truck beds with gravel to weigh it or are ppl like that aholes that wont let me?
Archie: ive been a wrestler since i was 3 yrs old and i only weigh 120, 122 on a fat day. and i will video tape my friends stock 94 civic ex that ran with me and i will have all my other friends on video tape explaining his 1.6 v-tec sohc with an intake and 2.5 cat-back... his car is .2 slower than it was stock and he has lighter rims and better tires than his first runs
and to JACK: there are other guys claiming 15.7 stock, btw... thats only .5 faster than them not a full second. use your math a lil better next time. if you want to personally run my car the same day i do ill let you and then you tell me what you think. thats better than any video or ts for you, right? and also look that the exhaust is STILL NOT MODDED and all the other mods have been the past few months which was WELL BEFORE MY RUN
06G5GT: I did have bald tires when i ran, idk if that helps but my tires were cooper winter only tires, i burned them shitty douglas tires off (both front and back) in under 20K miles for videos me n my friends made... i have a video of a burnout too. i dont know how to get a video on here tho
alleycat58: yes PRP, ask keith bowman, the track starter (he works for my dads construction company. he said damn after my 15.7 n 15.5 runs and all the other guys/kids with the G5s and balts told me to "****** go home, i hate you, how is ur car that fast bone stock" i have a few ppl that are very reputable proof.
scottw03: no drag radials... cooper winter ONLY tread tires that were bald and showing the metal chords when i left the track...
For everyone who believes me then you will be happy when i get the video and thanks. i was at my girls in pittsburgh since sat morn. she dont have the internet thats why ive said nothing since then.
REIGNftSOLDIER: so if i take a video of me doing a 14.9 with just the rims/tires and the axle back that im waiting to weld on you will believe me? second i have built a few v-tec with my buddy (we both go to wyotech in Indiana, Pa) so yes i know about v-tec, no i dont know about 2.4 vvt but im too much of a fan of the 2.2 to want a 2.4 or spend all the time ive spent on 2.2 to relearn an engine.
Brandon97Z: scale? when i get it inspected and my license back i can do that but its not an LS. its lower than that. it has no power nething and the 4lug steelies. i paid 10 out the door for my car in 2005 and i didnt do smart buy. so your guess on weight is as good as mine but could i take it to somewhere that fills truck beds with gravel to weigh it or are ppl like that aholes that wont let me?
Archie: ive been a wrestler since i was 3 yrs old and i only weigh 120, 122 on a fat day. and i will video tape my friends stock 94 civic ex that ran with me and i will have all my other friends on video tape explaining his 1.6 v-tec sohc with an intake and 2.5 cat-back... his car is .2 slower than it was stock and he has lighter rims and better tires than his first runs
and to JACK: there are other guys claiming 15.7 stock, btw... thats only .5 faster than them not a full second. use your math a lil better next time. if you want to personally run my car the same day i do ill let you and then you tell me what you think. thats better than any video or ts for you, right? and also look that the exhaust is STILL NOT MODDED and all the other mods have been the past few months which was WELL BEFORE MY RUN
06G5GT: I did have bald tires when i ran, idk if that helps but my tires were cooper winter only tires, i burned them shitty douglas tires off (both front and back) in under 20K miles for videos me n my friends made... i have a video of a burnout too. i dont know how to get a video on here tho
alleycat58: yes PRP, ask keith bowman, the track starter (he works for my dads construction company. he said damn after my 15.7 n 15.5 runs and all the other guys/kids with the G5s and balts told me to "****** go home, i hate you, how is ur car that fast bone stock" i have a few ppl that are very reputable proof.
scottw03: no drag radials... cooper winter ONLY tread tires that were bald and showing the metal chords when i left the track...
09-23-2007, 11:37 PM
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REIGNftSOLDIER: so if i take a video of me doing a 14.9 with just the rims/tires and the axle back that im waiting to weld on you will believe me? second i have built a few v-tec with my buddy (we both go to wyotech in Indiana, Pa) so yes i know about v-tec, no i dont know about 2.4 vvt but im too much of a fan of the 2.2 to want a 2.4 or spend all the time ive spent on 2.2 to relearn an engine.