knoxbox

some of you may remember my post from earlier were i told ya i raced my friend with the prelude... and how i was curious as to how i was able to beat him.

now i have a custom intake, im lowered and a strut bar and shift+ i know not all performance mods but just to tell you what i have done...

he has a cold air intake...

anyways as i stated before first time when i was stock and he had cai, we raced from a stop and i was pulling on him through the gear, and when vtec would kick in he'd pull me then i'd shift to the next gear and pull away then vtec he'd pull on me a little..

then from a 40 mph roll i pulled him in gear and he'd pull with vtec...

anyways the conclusion we came to with how i was able to beat this prelude was the fact that either his car was ragged out or needed a tune... well now he has that, he got the car tuned up, and oil changed air filter cleaned.

so on the way home we pull up next to each other at a light... i put the shift+ on stage II put the car in [I] not low but [I] im powerbraking, light turns green im gone, i jump over a car length on him... and slowly pulling away from him his vtec kicks in but im still pulling away from him i shift into second slowly pulling away he hits vtec again and im still pulling finally in 3rd gear he starts pulling on me then we had to shut it down could see lights on the horizon ended up being a wambulance.

anyways further down the road, i'm in [d] still in stage II and we decide to go from a 40 mph roll, i let him honk it off, i punch it and the car sits on its face, and he pulls on me by almost a car, once i shift into 3rd i pull back to half his car, i mean my front bumper was at the his passenger door, then he slowly starts to pull on me on vtec, we stop there...

then we decide to go from another 40 mph pulls i shift down into [I] he honks again, i punch it and he's already sitting at 5 grand with his F'n sport shift lol, so he basically starts off in vtec so he gets the jump on me.. i start pulling him pull almost even and he's at vtec again and pulls away from me...

so my conclusion is that from a stop, i got him at least through 1/8th if not more, from a 40mph roll he's got me.

im thinking its all boiling down to the gearing... the cobalts got alot better gearing from 1 - 3, and he's geared more for top end.

anyways just thought i'd post up a little food for thought...

BlackMachine

badass...lol

knoxbox

no doubt needless to say my friend was not to happy about the from a stop even after his tune up and oil change lol... i knew top end he'd get me i just figured bottom end too, so i'm supprised the ls is keeping up... it could boil down to driver as far as the from a stop but he is launching the same way i am.

btw shift+ stageII in [I] = ownage. it'll bark from 1st to second and chirp sometimes going into 3rd lol... alot better than stock.

SI FTL

nice man. If u had the 09 with vvt and all those supporting mods u would have deff got the advantage over him

knoxbox

im a 08 ls... i looked up the info on the 09, its minimal... the 08 will reach max hp and tq before the 09 and the differences would hardly be noticeable if at all... 148 hp to 150 hp 152 tq to 155 tq.

didn't check the gearing but i'd assume its the same.

YSUsteven

The auto cobalt has a 3.43 Diff, which is more gearing than what comes in a auto mustang GT (3.31) or a auto corvette (3.08). This is also the reason that at highway speed, the Rpms hang around 2,700. Without this high Diff gear, the cobalt would feel like a slug.

One of the best modification that can be done for fast times at the drag strip is the replace the Diff, many prefer 4.10s or 4.56 for drag racing.

Perfect.disguise

Haha..you describe his Vtec as a big turbo just spooled.........

YSUsteven

There probably is a slight advantage for the 09, as the VVT should reduce the power drop off that the older 2.2 get after 5,500 RPM. The dyno charts for the old 2.2 that I have seen look great until 5,500. Might be worth 0.1 seconds in the 1/4 mile.

EvilleCobalt

Nice kill man but just as an FYI Vtec does not "kick in" every time he changes gear at WOT. Once in Vtec the engine never drops below that line unless he lets off the gas. My dad used to own an 01 prelude those have some pep, again good kill.

knoxbox

i never said that it kicked in when he changes gear in wot lol... i know how vtec works... it kicks in on the lude a lil over 5k. he drops to about 4 - 4,500 between shifts so yes he it out of vtec for about 500 - 1000 rpms.

when vtec hits he starts pulling it is what it is... but thats far from a turbo lol.

slick54

my freind has a 99 honda prelude auto a swell with h22a the jap spec and i still beat him in my ls by like 2 cars.
good job

knoxbox

its odvious this was from a stop, race him from a 40 mph roll and see how you do

never-the-less its awesome considering the number differences between the two cars... and im glad someone else will back me up here and say they have actually done the same thing.

EvilleCobalt

The way you described it makes it sound like he jumps in and out of vtec every shift by saying he hit vtec then hit it again etc. Not trying to bash or anything just trying to clear it up.

knoxbox

well anyone that knows anything about hondas would know that vtec is not a gear, i don't really see how it was confusing but oh well, its cleared up now

EvilleCobalt

lol yes I know plenty about hondas man believe me. I never said it was a gear lol nor did I intend it to sound like that. Not a big deal just worded funny I guess.

EDIT: N/M I'm a *******. I saw where you said he dropped below vtec after every shift. My bad just never heard of any honda dropping below vtec after a shift unless he was getting off the gas.

slick54

lol i will and i will report back , alot of people don't give the 2.2 credit

knoxbox

i was not saying that you didn't know anything about hondas nor did i intend for it to come out that way... i didn't see how i worded it funny but if you say so then maybe i did.. *shrugs* but we cleared it up thats all that matters.

ya lemme know.

jbenso4

iTrader: (1)

^^^^^agreed...i beat hondas all the time...dont get me wrong, alot f them are very fast when the driver knows how to mad them not as rice

slick54

lol i give some hondas respect cause some are fast ass fuhh one of my good freinds has a 6.0 gto and he talks lots of crap and he got spanked by a 95 eg with a k20 on boost it killed him by like 5 cars

knoxbox

we have a 40 yo man rolling around in in a ek9 hatch h23 block h22 vtec head turbo t3/t4 hybrid and he's pushing low 6's 1/8 mile... we don't have a quarter track close by.

EvilleCobalt

Yeah my bad read my edit under my post. I didn't see where you put he dropped out of vtec after every shift since I've always known them to say in vtec during a WOT run. Even my dad's Lude which was the same year and transmission would stay in vtec after every shift during WOT.

Perfect.disguise

It's no big deal a 16 sec car beat a 15 sec car.

knoxbox

actually the prelude is a mid 14 second car according to edmunds and the balt is a mid 16 sec car...

Raven SS

zomg...

knoxbox

... wow that was impressive! we know you can post a image now.