Alright, so my friend got a 2003 Mustang 3.8L v6 with about 35,000 miles on it. And i have my 2005 Cobalt 2.2. I have the GMPP intake and he has nothing. What would the outcome of this race be? Thanks in advance.

 

are you a stick and he is an auto? if your not a 5 speed the race is over.. I would say 1-2 car lenghts in his favor if your not a stick. I've seen a 2.2 5 speed base beat an automatic 3.8 before. It's possible.

 

possible even with an auto, I have done it,, both cars were autos, and stock at the time

 

We are both automatic.

 

well you can do it,, depends on the road then if it is a lil uphill you got him, if not it can go either way, my 3 passes were with a lil uphill, and I had a car on him then he started catching up but not enough "doesnt matter if you win by an inch or a mile, wining is wining"

 

you will need to get one hell of a launch if your both autos. I still see him winning but not by much. 1/2 car?

 

Thanks guys... i never thought i could win, i was just hoping it wouldnt be a killing.

 

it will def be a close race,, have some other friends to judge...

 

^ I will

and you both got +rep for your help!

 

your welcome,, back to ya,,

 

With my mods, I put a killing on V6 stangs. I pull 3+cars on stick v6's from a dig, and I'm auto. I'm gonna try racing an auto 06 stang GT in a week. I'm pretty sure I'll lose, but the driver is a girl and she doesn't really know how to race(let alone Power Brake), so I think I'll take her off the line. So who knows.

 

My GF has a 5spd V6 and ive never raced her but my butt dyno says mine is faster. Typical 6cyl. all the weight none of the power.

 

With regard to the original poster, what times do virtually stock auto 2.2's run? A 99-04 Auto V6 Mustang is a low 16-second car on average.


I assume you're talking about 99-04 V6's, correct? Also, have you been to the track to see what times you're actually running? I don't doubt that these races happened, but I'm not sure a lightly modded auto 2.2 is going to "put a killing" on a 99-04 5-speed V6 with a good driver. I'm willing to be proven wrong, though, if I see some facts


What year is her car... and any idea what you're running in the 1/4-mile?

 

Find one of the 98 or older 3800. No torque makes them almost useless. Did they add Direct Injection or somethin in 99 to up the torque?

 

The pre-99 V6's still had over 200tq, they just didn't make it hat any decent RPM's so they made no horsepower. The 99+ V6's had splitport intake manifolds and new heads, among other things, which allowed them to make torque at higher rpms... and therefore, more horsepower. Also, they went from 2.73 gears to 3.27, which helped a lot as well.

 

Yeah, well thats the kicker. I've been to Firebird twice, once in early june, and the other time in late June. Both times, the track temp was over 105 degrees, at 9pm. And on top of that, Firebird doesn't prep their track for friday night drags, unless there is a big competition on saturday.

But the best I have run was 16.2 at 87.6mph. I spun almost all the way through first and part of the way through second. Now the et tells you slow, but my mph tells you that the car is capable of 15.1-15.3. The great thing is that I barely bark the tires in first and second on the street.

Oh yeah, and we are talking about the last body style. But aren't the new V6's slower? They weigh more but have about the same hp right?

Needless to say, I am going to wait until late august to race again at the track. Right now you have to wait until 11pm for track temps to go below 100 degrees.

 

Yeah, I know all about terrible track weather here in FL

Just as a comparison, my 2000 5-speed V6 Mustang trapped 90mph when it was, if anything, slower than stock. So, like I said, I don't doubt that you did actually beat those V6's, I was just saying that I would think that one with a good driver would at least give you a good run.


Actually, the 05+ V6's are faster. They do weigh more, but they have significantly more power. While a stock 5-speed 99-04 makes ~160whp, the 05+ 5-speeds make ~180whp or so. I'm sure 8cd3ngro (something like that), Fazm, or Jericho (if they haven't already been banned ) could provide more info on that. Either way, the 5-speeds are capable of high 14's, stock, and I know of an Auto running 15.0, stock, as well. So, they're definitely quicker than the 99-04's, especially the auto's. The average '05 auto is probably nearly a full second faster than the average 99-04 auto.


Makes sense. Those kinds of temps aren't exactly ideal for racing. Let us know how it goes when you do go, though.

 

Yeah, and right now we have not only 110+ degrees, but we also have a humity of over 65%.

Yeah I probably just beat the driver. Most of the people who actually drive performance cars are just 16-18 year old kids who got their daddy's to pay for a "cool car". Most still don't know how to really drive. I mean a 16 year old with an EVO or STI is common around here. Or this kid who goes to school with my younger brother had his dad buy him a Z06!!! WTF???

Will do.

 

Yeah, we don't have ambient temps that high (although track temps might be), but 65% humidity is LOW humidity here


Yeah, you were probably the better driver, but that's how racing works. The faster car doesn't always win. Oh, and if you're trapping 87, you're probably right with most 99-04 5-speeds anyway, so it's totally believable. Definitely a driver's race.


Cool... I'll be interested to see what happens in some better weather.

 

you'd be much better off racing an 06 v6 auto, it would probably be close. low 15/high 14 sec cars stock with a decent driver. If an 06 has an intake/tune though, keep away, they are more into ss/sc territory after that.


to the thread starter, the auto 3.8's are significantly slower than the manuals due to taller gearing and the fact that the auto was a 4-speed back then. If he is stock and you are stock it should be fairly close with him probably pulling just a bit, but it is close enough for minor driver error to change the outcome of the race.

 

Jus my opinion, but I think the the stang will have ya beat...

 

Garbage vs garbage. Who will win? Who cares?

 

dude WTF?? great way to start on the forum *******

WTF?? can someone erase that pic?

Thanx

 

I'm not thinking I'm gonna win, but if I do... Bragging rights for me!!!
But everytime I say "I beat a 06 Mustang GT." I'll have to follow it with, "but it was an auto, and the girl couldn't drive. But I still beat a 06 Mustang GT."

Yeah, and I don't plan on racing any new stang with mods. That would be a major loss for me.

Oh and when I go to the track, you'll be sure to see a thread titled, "LS breaks into the 14's!!" I'm gonna strip my car so it might be possible.
And my ***** look like fruity pebbles.

 

Its a 2000 stang. An yea i now my 1/4 mile time but it was one time an im taking the time to my grave, it was horrible. I personally o much better at a roll. Some say from a roll isint "real" racing but i do.