camaro vs cobalt ss/tc
04-29-2014, 05:04 PM
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Here's a good comparison video
Cobalt - Full boltons Tune
SS - Axleback (sounds like a manual, but not specified)
04-29-2014, 05:19 PM
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First off, never do a 1st gear roll. 2nd gear at 40 mph is the sweet spot on a TC.
second. I raced a MT SS and beat him from a 40 roll. However NA cars suffer more in altitude than turbo cars.
second. I raced a MT SS and beat him from a 40 roll. However NA cars suffer more in altitude than turbo cars.
04-29-2014, 05:40 PM
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I beat a MT ss but ill go with he missed a gear or something bc it completely just fell back...he wants a rematch but im only catless dp and intake no tune at all
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Friend of mine's SS on v6 steelies.
He dropped 50-60 lbs of rotational unsprung mass combined by going to v6 brakes from brembo's. These wheels don't fit the brembo's.
Probably the biggest sleeper locally lol.
He has a 150 shot and a cam, traps 125-130.
It's an L99 with a VVT-1 cam and shark nozzle kit.
He dropped 50-60 lbs of rotational unsprung mass combined by going to v6 brakes from brembo's. These wheels don't fit the brembo's.
Probably the biggest sleeper locally lol.
He has a 150 shot and a cam, traps 125-130.
It's an L99 with a VVT-1 cam and shark nozzle kit.
05-02-2014, 12:07 PM
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05-02-2014, 01:22 PM
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GMS1 is a nice upgrade but i don't have THAT much faith in it. i can trap 104mph with no bolt ons. with bolt ons you may trap 105-106? and im sure a camaro SS wth a decent driver can trap higher than that. probably closer to 110?
with equal drivers i still say camaro takes it..
05-02-2014, 02:19 PM
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Seems like people do not have a clear understanding of the difference between an auto and manual ss. The auto has an L99 which is rated for 400hp and the manual has the LS3 which is rated for 426hp. Now on the dyno, a manual LS3 makes 50+whp more than the auto L99 in stock form. Or we could put it this way, bolt on (headers, intake and tune) L99s make stock LS3 power. From a roll, there is a sizable difference between the two. The ease of launch is the only thing keeping the auto L99 competitive from a dig.
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Seems like people do not have a clear understanding of the difference between an auto and manual ss. The auto has an L99 which is rated for 400hp and the manual has the LS3 which is rated for 426hp. Now on the dyno, a manual LS3 makes 50+whp more than the auto L99 in stock form. Or we could put it this way, bolt on (headers, intake and tune) L99s make stock LS3 power. From a roll, there is a sizable difference between the two. The ease of launch is the only thing keeping the auto L99 competitive from a dig.
As far as pigs go.... a few boltons and a tire will get the LS3 SS into 11's just like Coyotes. They are not slouches by any means.
05-02-2014, 04:17 PM
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Friend of mine's SS on v6 steelies.
He dropped 50-60 lbs of rotational unsprung mass combined by going to v6 brakes from brembo's. These wheels don't fit the brembo's.
Probably the biggest sleeper locally lol.
He has a 150 shot and a cam, traps 125-130.
It's an L99 with a VVT-1 cam and shark nozzle kit.
He dropped 50-60 lbs of rotational unsprung mass combined by going to v6 brakes from brembo's. These wheels don't fit the brembo's.
Probably the biggest sleeper locally lol.
He has a 150 shot and a cam, traps 125-130.
It's an L99 with a VVT-1 cam and shark nozzle kit.
05-02-2014, 08:34 PM
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I had a 2012 Camaro SS with the LS3 and 6-speed manual for two years. Then I had an 06 Redline (LSJ) with a ZZP Stage 2 which I really liked. The Redline was totaled by a nice lady that decided not to yield to oncoming traffic (I guess she was in a hurry … so much so that we both needed to buy new cars - yay). Now I have a stock 09 CSS/TC, which is also really nice.
How would a Cobalt ss-tc would stack up against a newer Camaro ? … I would say not too bad. Is a stock CSS/TC going to win a race with an LS3 Camaro … no. But the LSJ and the LNF are nice little engines in nice light cars. They pull pretty hard despite the fact that they have 1/3 the displacement of an LS3. This is why I switched to the Redline and Cobalt SS.
Like folks said, the new Camaro is heavy. They are also expensive. Those car payments take their toll. For me the big issue was the gearing. The new Camaros are geared completely wrong, i.e., the rear axle gears really should have been in the 4.10 range. GM did not offer a performance axle in 2012 or I would have gotten it. Ultimately I did not like the way the Camaro drove. It handled pretty well and was definitely smooth … kinda like a Buick. It’s also beautiful inside and out. But all this luxury and the safety equipment adds up to a 4000 pound car. You really feel the weight. If you want to make the Camaro perform the way it should, you need to change a bunch of stuff … not just gears but axles as well and probably a few other things (or you will break something). So it’s a ridiculously huge chunk of cash to correct the gearing problem. After you do this, the factory warranty is most likely gone. So rather than try to correct the issue, I got rid of the Camaro.
Don’t get me wrong, the LS3 is a great engine. Runs great and pulls strong. The typical Camaro SS can definitely move, but you feel that weight. I believe the 0-60 times are probably like 5.2 seconds or so. Not such a great time for a car with 425hp and 420 ft-lb of torque. GM addressed the gearing problem by releasing the 1LE package in 2013 (3.90 gears and upgraded axles …). This package helps a lot (0-60 in the 4.5 second range). All of the SS Camaros should have left the factory in this configuration. A CSS/TC would get smoked pretty bad by a 1LE. But keep in mind the Cobalt SS cost like half as much as the Camaro SS 1LE.
How would a Cobalt ss-tc would stack up against a newer Camaro ? … I would say not too bad. Is a stock CSS/TC going to win a race with an LS3 Camaro … no. But the LSJ and the LNF are nice little engines in nice light cars. They pull pretty hard despite the fact that they have 1/3 the displacement of an LS3. This is why I switched to the Redline and Cobalt SS.
Like folks said, the new Camaro is heavy. They are also expensive. Those car payments take their toll. For me the big issue was the gearing. The new Camaros are geared completely wrong, i.e., the rear axle gears really should have been in the 4.10 range. GM did not offer a performance axle in 2012 or I would have gotten it. Ultimately I did not like the way the Camaro drove. It handled pretty well and was definitely smooth … kinda like a Buick. It’s also beautiful inside and out. But all this luxury and the safety equipment adds up to a 4000 pound car. You really feel the weight. If you want to make the Camaro perform the way it should, you need to change a bunch of stuff … not just gears but axles as well and probably a few other things (or you will break something). So it’s a ridiculously huge chunk of cash to correct the gearing problem. After you do this, the factory warranty is most likely gone. So rather than try to correct the issue, I got rid of the Camaro.
Don’t get me wrong, the LS3 is a great engine. Runs great and pulls strong. The typical Camaro SS can definitely move, but you feel that weight. I believe the 0-60 times are probably like 5.2 seconds or so. Not such a great time for a car with 425hp and 420 ft-lb of torque. GM addressed the gearing problem by releasing the 1LE package in 2013 (3.90 gears and upgraded axles …). This package helps a lot (0-60 in the 4.5 second range). All of the SS Camaros should have left the factory in this configuration. A CSS/TC would get smoked pretty bad by a 1LE. But keep in mind the Cobalt SS cost like half as much as the Camaro SS 1LE.
05-02-2014, 10:05 PM
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I had a 2012 Camaro SS with the LS3 and 6-speed manual for two years. Then I had an 06 Redline (LSJ) with a ZZP Stage 2 which I really liked. The Redline was totaled by a nice lady that decided not to yield to oncoming traffic (I guess she was in a hurry … so much so that we both needed to buy new cars - yay). Now I have a stock 09 CSS/TC, which is also really nice.
How would a Cobalt ss-tc would stack up against a newer Camaro ? … I would say not too bad. Is a stock CSS/TC going to win a race with an LS3 Camaro … no. But the LSJ and the LNF are nice little engines in nice light cars. They pull pretty hard despite the fact that they have 1/3 the displacement of an LS3. This is why I switched to the Redline and Cobalt SS.
Like folks said, the new Camaro is heavy. They are also expensive. Those car payments take their toll. For me the big issue was the gearing. The new Camaros are geared completely wrong, i.e., the rear axle gears really should have been in the 4.10 range. GM did not offer a performance axle in 2012 or I would have gotten it. Ultimately I did not like the way the Camaro drove. It handled pretty well and was definitely smooth … kinda like a Buick. It’s also beautiful inside and out. But all this luxury and the safety equipment adds up to a 4000 pound car. You really feel the weight. If you want to make the Camaro perform the way it should, you need to change a bunch of stuff … not just gears but axles as well and probably a few other things (or you will break something). So it’s a ridiculously huge chunk of cash to correct the gearing problem. After you do this, the factory warranty is most likely gone. So rather than try to correct the issue, I got rid of the Camaro.
Don’t get me wrong, the LS3 is a great engine. Runs great and pulls strong. The typical Camaro SS can definitely move, but you feel that weight. I believe the 0-60 times are probably like 5.2 seconds or so. Not such a great time for a car with 425hp and 420 ft-lb of torque. GM addressed the gearing problem by releasing the 1LE package in 2013 (3.90 gears and upgraded axles …). This package helps a lot (0-60 in the 4.5 second range). All of the SS Camaros should have left the factory in this configuration. A CSS/TC would get smoked pretty bad by a 1LE. But keep in mind the Cobalt SS cost like half as much as the Camaro SS 1LE.
How would a Cobalt ss-tc would stack up against a newer Camaro ? … I would say not too bad. Is a stock CSS/TC going to win a race with an LS3 Camaro … no. But the LSJ and the LNF are nice little engines in nice light cars. They pull pretty hard despite the fact that they have 1/3 the displacement of an LS3. This is why I switched to the Redline and Cobalt SS.
Like folks said, the new Camaro is heavy. They are also expensive. Those car payments take their toll. For me the big issue was the gearing. The new Camaros are geared completely wrong, i.e., the rear axle gears really should have been in the 4.10 range. GM did not offer a performance axle in 2012 or I would have gotten it. Ultimately I did not like the way the Camaro drove. It handled pretty well and was definitely smooth … kinda like a Buick. It’s also beautiful inside and out. But all this luxury and the safety equipment adds up to a 4000 pound car. You really feel the weight. If you want to make the Camaro perform the way it should, you need to change a bunch of stuff … not just gears but axles as well and probably a few other things (or you will break something). So it’s a ridiculously huge chunk of cash to correct the gearing problem. After you do this, the factory warranty is most likely gone. So rather than try to correct the issue, I got rid of the Camaro.
Don’t get me wrong, the LS3 is a great engine. Runs great and pulls strong. The typical Camaro SS can definitely move, but you feel that weight. I believe the 0-60 times are probably like 5.2 seconds or so. Not such a great time for a car with 425hp and 420 ft-lb of torque. GM addressed the gearing problem by releasing the 1LE package in 2013 (3.90 gears and upgraded axles …). This package helps a lot (0-60 in the 4.5 second range). All of the SS Camaros should have left the factory in this configuration. A CSS/TC would get smoked pretty bad by a 1LE. But keep in mind the Cobalt SS cost like half as much as the Camaro SS 1LE.
Camaro SS:
1st: 54 mph
2nd: 79 mph
3rd: 114 mph
4th: 163 mph
5th: 194 mph
6th: 287 mph
Camaro 1LE:
1st: 53 mph
2nd: 79 mph
3rd: 108mph
4th: 140 mph
5th: 189 mph
6th: 280 mph
as you can see the gearing is definitely NOT what is helping the 1le get to 60 quicker. In fact, with the exception of 4th they are not drastically different at all. The tires on the 1le is where the difference in statistics is coming from.
05-02-2014, 10:36 PM
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On paper, the 1LE looks good with 4.5 second 0-60 time (with an expert driving no doubt) but I never drove a 1LE. I did drive the 2012 Camaro SS for two years so I am pretty familiar with the car. I also drove an LSJ and an LNF so I am also familiar with those cars. With the stock gearing, the Camaro feels heavy and kinda slow - it just does. The LSJ and LNF are not that much slower and the cars definitely feel lighter (because they are).
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I had a 2012 Camaro SS with the LS3 and 6-speed manual for two years. Then I had an 06 Redline (LSJ) with a ZZP Stage 2 which I really liked. The Redline was totaled by a nice lady that decided not to yield to oncoming traffic (I guess she was in a hurry … so much so that we both needed to buy new cars - yay). Now I have a stock 09 CSS/TC, which is also really nice.
How would a Cobalt ss-tc would stack up against a newer Camaro ? … I would say not too bad. Is a stock CSS/TC going to win a race with an LS3 Camaro … no. But the LSJ and the LNF are nice little engines in nice light cars. They pull pretty hard despite the fact that they have 1/3 the displacement of an LS3. This is why I switched to the Redline and Cobalt SS.
Like folks said, the new Camaro is heavy. They are also expensive. Those car payments take their toll. For me the big issue was the gearing. The new Camaros are geared completely wrong, i.e., the rear axle gears really should have been in the 4.10 range. GM did not offer a performance axle in 2012 or I would have gotten it. Ultimately I did not like the way the Camaro drove. It handled pretty well and was definitely smooth … kinda like a Buick. It’s also beautiful inside and out. But all this luxury and the safety equipment adds up to a 4000 pound car. You really feel the weight. If you want to make the Camaro perform the way it should, you need to change a bunch of stuff … not just gears but axles as well and probably a few other things (or you will break something). So it’s a ridiculously huge chunk of cash to correct the gearing problem. After you do this, the factory warranty is most likely gone. So rather than try to correct the issue, I got rid of the Camaro.
Don’t get me wrong, the LS3 is a great engine. Runs great and pulls strong. The typical Camaro SS can definitely move, but you feel that weight. I believe the 0-60 times are probably like 5.2 seconds or so. Not such a great time for a car with 425hp and 420 ft-lb of torque. GM addressed the gearing problem by releasing the 1LE package in 2013 (3.90 gears and upgraded axles …). This package helps a lot (0-60 in the 4.5 second range). All of the SS Camaros should have left the factory in this configuration. A CSS/TC would get smoked pretty bad by a 1LE. But keep in mind the Cobalt SS cost like half as much as the Camaro SS 1LE.
How would a Cobalt ss-tc would stack up against a newer Camaro ? … I would say not too bad. Is a stock CSS/TC going to win a race with an LS3 Camaro … no. But the LSJ and the LNF are nice little engines in nice light cars. They pull pretty hard despite the fact that they have 1/3 the displacement of an LS3. This is why I switched to the Redline and Cobalt SS.
Like folks said, the new Camaro is heavy. They are also expensive. Those car payments take their toll. For me the big issue was the gearing. The new Camaros are geared completely wrong, i.e., the rear axle gears really should have been in the 4.10 range. GM did not offer a performance axle in 2012 or I would have gotten it. Ultimately I did not like the way the Camaro drove. It handled pretty well and was definitely smooth … kinda like a Buick. It’s also beautiful inside and out. But all this luxury and the safety equipment adds up to a 4000 pound car. You really feel the weight. If you want to make the Camaro perform the way it should, you need to change a bunch of stuff … not just gears but axles as well and probably a few other things (or you will break something). So it’s a ridiculously huge chunk of cash to correct the gearing problem. After you do this, the factory warranty is most likely gone. So rather than try to correct the issue, I got rid of the Camaro.
Don’t get me wrong, the LS3 is a great engine. Runs great and pulls strong. The typical Camaro SS can definitely move, but you feel that weight. I believe the 0-60 times are probably like 5.2 seconds or so. Not such a great time for a car with 425hp and 420 ft-lb of torque. GM addressed the gearing problem by releasing the 1LE package in 2013 (3.90 gears and upgraded axles …). This package helps a lot (0-60 in the 4.5 second range). All of the SS Camaros should have left the factory in this configuration. A CSS/TC would get smoked pretty bad by a 1LE. But keep in mind the Cobalt SS cost like half as much as the Camaro SS 1LE.
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On paper, the 1LE looks good with 4.5 second 0-60 time (with an expert driving no doubt) but I never drove a 1LE. I did drive the 2012 Camaro SS for two years so I am pretty familiar with the car. I also drove an LSJ and an LNF so I am also familiar with those cars. With the stock gearing, the Camaro feels heavy and kinda slow - it just does. The LSJ and LNF are not that much slower and the cars definitely feel lighter (because they are).
