ok, so in the past week i have run into 2 6.0 GTO's. a black one and a silver one. i raced both of them from a roll starting at about 35mph. the black one was actually a side by side start, and we were dead even until 80mph when his top end started to over power me a bit. the silver one was a bit different. the guy knew that i was messing with him, so when he was behind me, i saw him jump over to the other lane and punch it. i punched as well and was full throttle by the time he was at my back bumper. this race had the same outcome. dead even and we let off at around 80mph so he never pulled. i didnt think i could hang with these things. i dont know for sure if they were manual or auto. i couldnt really hear them over my engine and the radio.
im thinking that maybe the speed we started at wasnt a good one for them or something. then again i can pull on a 5.7 pretty easily so maybe the 6.0's arent THAT much faster.
i do remember racing a heavily modded 5.7, which i lost to, and later he posted on his site that i hung in there pretty good... as good as the 6.0's do against him. not sure if i have a factory freak or what, but soon i will race my buddy's modded 6.0 and have him put me in my place, haha!
any thoughts?

 

Whoa Whoa Whoa...you're running a 2.85 pulley with no fuel mods? Is that really safe?

 

good writeup, just cause on car has the hp advantage, dont mean much whn he weighs1000more

 

They run 13.4's but nice try G5 mike

 

He weighs a bit more than 1000. I raced a 6.0 and he beat me but it wasn't as bad of a loss as I thought would be. 230whp should take care of these guys.

 

Becuase they have traction^ I hung with one the other day he had an exhaust on his it took him quite a while too pull away from me and that was only a little more than a car lenght.

 

I guess on the streets anything is possible.

 

I have a 2006 GTO now but since I had a 2005 SS/SC I will try to be nice.

You ran into people who couldn't drive or there car is new and has very low miles. And yes a 6.0 GTO is a bit faster than a 5.7 GTO. Although 5.7 owners will argue it's adrivers race only an idiot would belive that story.

A stock 2004 LS1 GTO can average 13.4-13.8 around 104-105mph, the 2005-2006 averages 13.0-13.4 around 106-108mph. On paper the 1/4 looks close but on the streets the 6.0 will easily pull on a 5.7 thats just the advantage of 50HP more.......


Sorry but 230whp isn't going to touch a 6.0 GTO, my SS/SC had 246whp and a 6.0 would kill me even from a perfect roll speed.

A SS/SC with 280whp may keep up in the 1/4 but the 400HP LS2 will still pull up top with ease. And where the hell are you guys coming up with these weight differences? Try 800-850lbs difference.

The more post I see here the more I think some people are dreaming..........

 

how much do the gto's weigh? i thought our cars weighed around 2900

 

They're in that neighborhood, a little north of that. Some weigh a little less depending on options. Side Curtain Airbags and what not.

 

I want a new gto!!!!! I think in a few years Im going to try and trade in my balt for one.... Those cars are so nice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

I raced a SS/SC with gm stage 2, 2.8", exhaust, intake and maybe something else and he couldn't keep up.

 

i have to agree with cody... 6.0 no way...

 

please refrain from sounding to unintelligent, no model car runs a dead set number, never. when was the last time you heard of every single car running exactly the same number? never. these statements let everyone know you have no idea what you are talking about

 

im not getting involved in this but i have 2.7 injectors reflash downpipe ehaust intake

and i took a 06 gto down by around a car and a half from a 20 roll

just saying that thats what happend with me

now im not posting in the thread anymore lol

 

http://videos.streetfire.net/search/...9900075699.htm


not me but just a lil showing that with a little mods we can beat the ls1 gtos

 

^^^ thats me, did you miss the long ass thread argueing about how i somehow fabricated this race? haha

 

Are you seriously running a 2.85 pulley with no injectors or tune? Not trying to tell you what to do here but you are going to scorch a piston or something. Its not a matter of if but when. Even the 42.5 lbs injectors are working extremely hard to keep up with a 2.85 pulley without a tune.

However, if you do have a tune and injectors to go along with that pulley, then i can totally beleive you pulling on a goat on the street. Goats run consistent mid 13's with good drivers and many guys on this site have hit 13's with those size pulleys.

 

Just curious, you have any timeslips for your GTO? What have you ran in the 1/4 mile?

 

May keep up? Not buying that, unless you're running up to 160mph... Stock ls2's have been running average 13.0-13.4 like you say (I may have heard of one in 12's too but i'm not sure). CobaltSS443's husband dynoed 343 rwhp stock. But goats are a boat....they weigh in close to 4000 lbs. 280 whp in 2900 lb car is more than likely to "keep up" with a 6.0. Many 2.5 pullied guys (biggest mod to get to 270-280 whp mark, obviously you need suppourting mods and bolt ons) have been only running low to mid 13's....you know why? Traction problems...but they are trapping anywhere from 107-109...I think i've seen 110 but i wouldn't be able to back that up...with my 2.8, 42lb injectors, maf translator, catback exhaust, and cai I hung with my friends ls2 gto. He still beat me, but wasn't even a car length. My friends 05 SRT4 acr that runs only a 13.5 at the track puts a car length on him...GTO's have a lot of HP but they also have a lot of WEIGHT.

This is coming from a GTO fanatic too...it's my dream car...I normally don't talk bad about a GTO bc I cream my pants anytime a GTO is spoken about, but I had to chime in here. Stock, the ss/sc's aren't anything to brag about, but just like any other car, once modded, they can haul some serious ass.

 

I guess maybe I should chime in as well........ I've actually seen Mines_Better run at a track versus a 5.7 GTO and granted it was an 1/8th mile track, he still made that GTO look silly.

I have a 6.0 GTO currently and my previous car was a Saturn Ion Redline. The GTO has a much better 1st gear than the LSJ so from a dig the GTO's numbers will look MUCH BETTER than an LSJ. The GTO can get to 60 MPH in 2nd gear where you'd possibly need 3rd gear on the LSJ and the 1/4 mile in possibly 3rd gear as compared to probably 4th on the LSJ. So please don't think that the 0-60 and the 1/4 mile times of the magazines is the end-all of how well a car does on the street.

As for my comparison of the Redline I used to own to the 6.0 GTO, I can actually say that the little Saturn felt like it would pull me back into the street a little harder than the GTO. The Supercharger on the LSJ just really propels the Delta platform. I have no trouble believing Mines_Better's encounters with the 6.0 GTO. Maybe one day we can get Mines_Better to go on a Dyno Day to see exactly where his HP and TQ numbers stand, it will definitely give the rest of you a good idea of how much is needed to run with the big dawgs. Oh and I'm in total agreement with some of the other guys that Mines_Better needs to get at least Stage I on his current set-up, besides that extra 500 Revs should make him even more potent!

 

Pretty much, fwd platforms will not put down the best times they can at the dragstrip...even with slicks...it just ain't happening, but on the street, they do a bit better. I could hang with low 14 second cars while just having a catback exhaust (even beating a 350z with just my catback....2 of them at that, barely though). But with just that catback, I would probably be lucky to bang out a 14.6 at the track

 

There is a ASS TON of GTO's in my town but theres only 3 of them that can actually drive them . The last track day here before they closed for the year out of the 6 LS2 GTO's there only 2 were running what they should . 1 6-speed , 1 auto and both were sub 13.5 all day with mph from 104-106 . The other 4 never got out the 14's .

From all Ive seen the auto LS2 GTO's seem to be qwiker by tick than the 6 gears when there stock anyways .

So totally believeable on Mines_betters part .

 

HOWEVER, I don't know why he's still running a 2.85 with no tuning/fuel injectors lol. Oh well

 

The GTO brochure actually states that the Slushbox is .01 seconds quicker to 60 than the Manual Tranny. I personally would rather bang through the gears and also save some $$$ on that Gas-Guzzler Tax. If any of the GTOs out there had the problem off the lot that I had with mine, then I can see where people aren't getting out of the 14s in the 1/4 mile. I'm still not dyno-ing what I expect with a CAI (which may be the problem) and a Tune. I have yet to get 350 HP to the wheels with the CAI and tune.


Back to the thread though, the LSJ is quite a stout little motor. Don't think that just because you don't have all that displacement that you can't compete. Don't forget what GM is doing with that LSJ motor they use at competitions. Last I remember they had that thing up to what 700+ HP? I know they forge a lot more of the internals at that HP, but don't make the same mistake some of the ricer boys do and under-estimate the LSJ.