That was a long video. Should have edited out the junk and silverado should not have raced so many times in the video. GT looked faster than most.

 

I didn't make the vid.

 

Well what do you have for mads then. A month or two ago you said you had just a tune so what do you have now?


Basically what you are saying is you are a shitty driver with shitty suspension and drivetrain for racing from a dig.


Ok do you have the slip? Just because you trap 104 could be more from a shitty 60' than actual power. My car taps 128 with a good 60' but with a shitty one my car will trap over 130.

A Mustang is built for speed a hell of alot better than a HHR.

I don't know what that video is supoosed to show me. I saw a Vert GT "on motor" with no mod list. You pulled maybe 3 cars on the GT from a roll. If that car would have been a Coupe you wouldn't have pulled anything.

Do you honestly think most chicks get upset that their boyfriend lost? They could give a **** less, at least most girls could.

Hmm I've only seen a hand full of TCs just tipping into the 12s. Add to that you don't drive a Cobalt and your HHR that is 300-400lbs heavier. That means your going to be running .3-.4 slower right off the bat.

Have any proof of an HHR runing 12s?

Once again you drive an HHR sooo what does that have to do with YOUR car?

Not to mention the GT looked like it got out launched every time by the cobalt. I would say the GT driver sucks from those videos.

 

No they aren't

 

Did I tune 08 Black, or did he tune himself? His name sounds familiar.

 

The same is true for heavy, RWD cars from a roll, unless they actually make enough power to compensate. Here in Houston, that's a common scenario. You guys don't seem to know about cars that make big numbers and prefer rolls.

Traction in a corner.

If by performance you mean straight line acceleration from a stop to a given point. Drag biased cars suffer in the real world, and again, this is why I don't place much emphasis on dig racing.

Racing from a dig doesn't give you a ten car advantage if the other car can keep up from a roll. But I'm pretty sure you were just trying to give an illustration. Here's the long and short of it. Dig racing rarely occurs anywhere but at a track unless it's pre-organized. Very rarely do I magically get the front row at a redlight with a car I want to run. Also, traction from a dig may or may not be related to traction in the corners. In any real point to point race not involving a 1/4 mile (like road racing) the traction in the corners is more important. That's why I don't place much emphasis on dig racing.

Wouldn't you like to know.

What? You mean FWD isn't the ideal drivetrain for racing from a dig and I can't defy the laws of physics? Way to go Captain Obvious! And no, I don't think highly of my driving skills, or the HHR's shifter/gearbox either. Oh, and you left out my shitty all season tires. The suspension is okay, but it's definitely not a drag setup.

I don't make good 60's. EVER. My best is a 2.3. All season tires FTL.

ROFL. LS2 ftw. I didn't buy my HHR to get a car that's built for speed. I got it for versatility. I get 36mpg when I want to, and I can still haul six guitars and four girls to a concert. Oh, and I can pick on the average Mustang.

That vert actually keeps up BETTER than most of the coupes I've run. Oh, and one of those races was from a dig. BUURRRNNN.

That's because there are only a handful of TC's running DR's. And you're right, it is slower. That's why a TC can do it on tune and tire and the HHR requires an IC upgrade.

There was a vid somewhere on youtube of Steve's running a 13.1. I think he's one of two to go to the track with DR's and get times.

Last time a checked, this thread was about a Cobalt and Mustang, so I came in to make fun of your fanboi denial that a Mustang can never lose to a Cobalt.

Typical fanboi excuses. "It's the driver. I could drive better." Did you miss the part where the Cobalt driver missed several shifts? He's a noob too. There is no way in hell you can blame this on the driver.

You tuned it.

**EDIT** Vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfNaDovMkz0

 

What's the title of that video on youtube? I can't see it at work unless I search it on my iPhone.

*edit, NM I learned that if I type in that tag at the end of the video I can pull them up.......very usefull tip



I think the HHR SS and S197 GT are capable of same top speed stock.

 

So would one call that a good thing or a bad thing?

My original point is that Mustangs in general are not thought of as high speed or handling machines. Just another reason I always preffered F-Bodies and now my C6.

 

*except in the minds of their owners.

 

Jesus you are all a bunch of babies. The mustang is more "performance oriented" than the hhr is. That is obvious. The hhr ss with all of its suspension and drivetrain upgrades is more performance oriented than the base HHR. Both the mustang GT and HHR ss are high performance vehicles for the price bracket they are in, but are not really "high performance." Who cares? They bother perform well for the bucks you're spending and are ncie vehicles.

Pretty immature to cut out the rest of his quote too aaron.

Oh and you just saying, "traction in a corner" when i said traction is part of a cars performance shows that you are a roll ricer. If you really don't think the ability to get traction off the line is part of a car s performance you are beyond any form of reason. Go ask Henessey yourself, who you seem to be obsessed with because he hosts roll races sometimes, what he thinks. We should all just be driving around in front wheel drive cars with no torque and huge turbo's that only make power over 6k rpm's if roll racing is the only judge of a cars performance.

 

I just happened to read over the old part of this thread and HOLY CRAP!

You people really need to realize ANYTHING is possible in a street race. It's from a roll, there is no light, and no timing equipment that will measure to the 100th of a second. And you're sure as hell not going to get the best sampling of drivers.

I watched just last night, on an episode of PASS TIMES a 2003 Mustang Cobra with a pullied Kenne Bell supercharger run a 15.6!!!

Don't put anything past any vehicle unless it is BLATANTLY obvious and you are 100% positive the other car wasnt driven improperly or that it IS properly tuned. Cars can actually get slower after mods if they are done incorrectly.

 

Yeah, but it's damn funny. This guy starts talking mess about a Mustang and then uses a quote like "built for speed"? He said it twice, both in reference to a Mustang. Even if it's a little contorted, it's not too far off. That phrase doesn't belong anywhere near any discussion regarding bolt on Mustangs, Cobalts, and HHR's. Say it isn't funny.

**EDIT** For the record, I did put an ellipse (sp?) after the part I kept, which is the proper way to show that it's taken out of context.

Respect for and obsession with are two different things.

Also I didn't mean to say that traction off the line is in no way related to performance. If I somehow made that impression, I'll eat those words. The point is that if you focus solely on off the line traction your car suffers in other areas. I'm more of an all-around kind of guy, and I have no interest in going to the 1/4 mile track to run cars that are OBVIOUSLY designed for that sort of racing. If I go, it's just so I can say I can compete in their element. Take the Mustang for example. Ford made it very clear when the 3V Mustang came out that they did not go to IRS because they wanted to keep their drag racers happy. If they would have, the result would have been a better all around car.

 

HHR guy, you really are pathetic and retarded if you think your HHR is more of a performance car than any v8 Mustang. And if you wanna go race from a roll like most of the ricers do than go ahead, just because you dont know how to launch your car and your car isnt made for drag racing, doesnt mean you gotta talk **** about cars that do, like Mustangs, Camaros and other performance oriented cars. I know my cars are nothing to write home about, and I'm sure that with a tune my Cobalt would be just as fast from a dig and maybe faster from a roll, but that doesnt give you a reason to talk **** about your HHR being just as fast, because I'm sure it isnt. Maybe if you knew how to launch and drive your car the right way, you wouldnt mind racing from a dig, but since your little pansy ass cant, that isnt my fault.

And to Mrs. LS2guy, if you honestly think that an HHR is a better performance oriented car than a new Mustang, than you obviously dont know **** about cars other than your own.

 

lol hes right^^

 

Actually I could give a **** less because my car would smoke yours anyways. You act as if your car is the badest thing on the road talking out all these V8 muscle cars so I'm curios to what you have done to your car to make it sooo fast.

So basically you only race so the advantage is going to you yet you say this:

You’re talking **** about people who race from a dig because that’s where there advantage is but you do the same thing.


Hence the reason you are trapping 104. Its not trapping 104 because its that fast its trapping 104 because you spin off the line. In reality with a decent 60' your car is only a 101-102 trapping car. Plus you never did say what your car runs at the track just that you trap 104.


Both of you took what I said out of context. If either of you think an HHR is built for racing better than a Mustang then you are both idiots. Which I’ve come to realize both of you are so that’s fine. That’s also why CODYBS is on my ignore list.

Answer me this how many street Mustangs do you see trapping 120-130+mph? How many HHRs do you see trapping the same speed?

My point exactly.



And your point? What are his mods? If you honestly think a Coupe with the same mods is slower than a vert you’re an idiot.

Whats with the BUURRRNNN? The race from the dig you never caught up to the vert.



An IC upgrade doesn’t add anymore power. All it does is lower the IATs and allow you to run more boost. Without the added boost you make no extra power.


So there is ONE guy that’s not even in the 12s yet you say this:

So who is the ignorant tool now?



The only thing you added to this thread was that roll races are some how better than racing from a dig.



Think about it dude a typical SS 60’ 2.1-2.3 an average 60’ in a GT is 1.9-2.0 yet the SS pulled almost a car from launch almost every time they went from dig.

Just because the SS driver is a noob doesn’t mean the Mustang driver can’t be worse.

 

I never, EVER said that. I laughed when LS2 guy said it, but I NEVER did. In fact, if you read my last post, I said specifically that I bought my car because it's versatile, not because it's a performance machine.

I have never talked **** about cars that are made to run from digs. I talked **** about drivers who cry too much because they haven't tuned their car to make the power to keep up from a roll. Like I said before, stop crying and saying "ricer roll" and go tune your damn car until it can keep up. It's nothing to win in your own element, but you've really got something special if you can keep up in someone elses without changing your setup. It doesn't happen often, but when it does, it's sweet.

Also, I've never met a Camaro guy that didn't jump at the chance to run from a roll. Maybe it's because LSx motors have top end? Furthermore, I never even mentioned the word Camaros. When I make fun of rwd V8 guys, the statement might include Camaros ("and other performance oriented cars"), but rest assured that I'm picturing a Mustang in my head, and nothing else. The guy that takes all of the vids I posted drives a Camaro. Please don't insult muscle cars made by General Motors by including them in the same sentence or idea with your Ford.

First, learn to read. If you can't do that, at least watch a video. The statement you made is completely without base. I have NEVER said my HHR is as fast as a Cobalt with the same mods. In fact, I have blatantly stated that it's slower because it's heavier. With that said, it's only by a few tenths with all other things being equal.

The ONLY car I've ever said that I could take in this whole damn thread is a bolt-on 2V Mustang. Furthermore, I've posted video of me running from digs. I said that I prefer rolls and that you guys don't run from rolls because you're afraid to lose, but I have NEVER said I won't run from a dig.

He obviously knows quite a bit more than you do, because he didn't buy a Ford.

 

I've grown up around Fords and Mustangs my whole life, and said I was always gonna buy a Mustang and have atleast 1. I had an 01 GT, but what did I sell it for, an 08 Chevy Cobalt SS/TC, I'm not biased and I'm not a hater on cars that are great. Hell me and my younger Brother are thinking of possibly going in half each on an 01 Camaro SS, 6spd with really low miles. I'm a car enthusiast and car lover.

 

There again, I never said that I ONLY race from rolls. I made fun of people who ONLY race fron digs and use the term "ricer roll" and say that dig racing is the only real racing because they are afraid to lose.

I'm on all season tires. My track times are nothing to brag about.

Dude, you said "built for speed" and blatantly implied that your Mustang was just that. I can't believe that phrase EVER came out of your mouth.

Here you go again talking about quarter mile performance like it's the only form of racing. LOL!

How many HHR SS's have you ever seen at the track moron? I think I've seen times for maybe six of them? I see more Mustang GT's commuting to the office than I have seen SS's in my life. You want me to make a comparison between a car that's been around since the sixties and one that just came out in 08? We don't even have basic bolt ons available in the aftermarket yet. This is the most ridiculous attempt at making a point I have ever seen.

I watched a Mustang run 6's the other night. God only knows how much money was under that hood. But that must mean the Mustang is the bestest car EVAR right?

That vert is the second fastest 2V I've run. You said that if it was a coupe it would have won. I said that it keeps up better than most of the coupes I've run.

I guess you missed the part where we shut down due to traffic after I reeled in the lead he had off the line? He didn't have a chance. Oh, and that was several mods ago still on the stock all season tires vs. his summer tires.

Is that so?



Same car made 281whp before the intercooler. Any questions, tool?

I had other things to do and I didn't feel like looking for the info. I'm honestly not sure if it's true at this point, but I went back where I read that 12's had been broken, and the poster in that thread said he read it on the Hahn website. I'm not going to go look for it, but you can if you want. 13.1x...12.9x... whatever. Either way, the fastest HHR is .2-.3 off the fastest Cobalt at the most.

I also added that bolt-on 2V Mustangs are slow peices of ****.

Here you are again, talking about track launches on VHT. Get a clue man, the street isn't the track, and 1/4 mile times DO NOT APPLY. There is even a guy here who tunes both ponies and 'Balts, and he said the GT looked faster than most. Just let it go man.

 

And no one said that they only race from digs so why did you bring it up.

So what dude. WHAT DO YOU RUN? I imagine you run in the 14s or worse since you keep avoiding posting your times. You keep talking big **** but you won’t even post a time.



Yea I did and it is compared to a HHR and quite a few other cars. Once again a car that can trap 120-130 in street from isn’t exactly slow. That’s with a little 2V motor no less.

HAHA are kidding me what does age have to do with anything. Just to let you know they aren’t using the same motor that they used back in the 60’s.

There were numerous 05+ GTs in the 11s back in 05. Hell the GT500 was in the 10s in a matter of 6months of release. So whats your excuse?

I guarantee you 5 years from know a street diven HHR on DRs will not be in the 11s let alone the 10s and wont be trapping 120-130mph.



What were his mods then?

I guess you missed the part where we shut down due to traffic after I reeled in the lead he had off the line? He didn't have a chance. Oh, and that was several mods ago still on the stock all season tires vs. his summer tires.



A dyno graph doesn’t prove anything boost could have been added or the tune could have been tweaked.

In other words you were running your mouth and can’t find proof to back it up.



It equals out on the street to dude if a balt can’t hook with VHT how is it gonna hook on the street?


What you need to realize is you talk way to much **** for what you drive. Congrats you can barely beat a bolt on Vert GT. Which is a SLOW car. Yet you come on here talking like you have a monster of a car that beats all cars when in reality you can barely beat one of the slowest V8s cars on the road.

 

well done

 

You seem to like to invent all of these things that I said or ideas that I somehow brought forth and lecture me about them. I NEVER said or even alluded to half of the things you're talking about. Reading pwns you.

I have NEVER talked big **** about my own car vs. anything but a bolt-on 2V. I've never said I could beat anything at all in a 1/4 mile race. If anything I've talked about how slow my car is from a dig. Spinning to 60 SUCKS. And no, I don't plan to give you more ammunition for your 1/4 mile fire.

I NEVER said your obviously heavily modded Mustang was slow either. I said that bolt on 2V's are slow. Bolt on 2V's don't trap 130.

No, but they've been using the 4.6 since what... 96? 97? That's over ten years. Everyone knows that there's a Mustang, but most still have no idea that there's an HHR SS in existence. Age has ALOT to do with it. It takes a while to develop aftermarket parts. Our ECU hasn't even been fully cracked yet, to my knowledge. There are still tables we have yet to get to. And we can't use standalone engine management to my knowledge because of direct injection. We're still waiting on stage kits to arrive so the car doesn't dumb itself down after new mods.

What does it take to get a GT500 into the 600+hp/10 second range? A pulley, exhaust and tires? Maybe a little more? That's a $70K+ car you're talking about comparing to a ~$25K Car.

Excuses? It's D.I. There is very little we can do to this car and get good results until the stage kit is further investigated.

Here you go again spewing quarter mile times as if I care. I don't care if an HHR is NEVER in the tens in 100 years. It's a FWD car that's made for multi-use. I never said my HHR is better than any Mustang ever built, especially not one that costs as much as three of them. This thread isn't about me or my car, it's about a Mustang and a Cobalt. Come after me if you like. I know where I stand and I'm happy with that. But just for you, I'm going to go to the track when I go big turbo and see where I stand.

That race was like two months ago. Do you think I wrote them down for future reference?

Everytime anyone gives you guys proof of anything, you make some excuse why it's not valid.

"Where is the proof?"
"Here."
"That's not good enough. The videos are computer generated and the dyno results are fake.

^ fixed. If it did or didn't happen... so what. I'm not gonna argue about .3. I was told that it did, and if it didn't, my bad.

Like I said, everyone asks for proof, and when it's shown, you just make excuses.

I never said anything about what I drive until you brought it up and started asking questions. I never said I have a monster of a car. I never said I could beat anything but a bolt-on 2v, and if I mentioned other V8 kills it'd just lead to more flames that I don't have videos for. Wish I did. Like I said, I know where I stand, and I'm happy with that. It's not very high on the totem pole, but I got my car for other reasons besides speed.

You on the other hand, are completely delusional about Mustangs and extremely ignorant as to the capbilities of the car that is intended to be the subject of this forum. Let's get back to that shall we?

Tuned Balt > Bolt on Mustangs.

The End.

 

You = Overly confident in the ability of a tuned cobalt.

 

How so? What have I ever said that's over confident? That they walk bolt on Mustangs? Where are the vids of the bolt on Mustangs winning races against tuned Cobalts? There have been two posted with the opposite outcome, and we got nothing but excuses and whining. What's over confident about ANYTHING I have said about a Cobalt vs. a Mustang?

 

Well, a simple youtube check shows this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wF6fgNmZkM

and i didn't hear exhaust form the mustang at all in either of those which is odd for a mustang modded that much, they are usually really loud. Keep in mind, i'm not a big mustang fan or anything, but you can't base a statement like ss with tune > bolt on mustang on 2 videos especially when the car that should be getting rocked off the line for at least a little bit is pulling half a car or more right away.

 

Does it say anywhere that the Cobalt is tuned? I may have missed it. Seriously.

**EDIT** NVM. Looks like another camera on the same races... To his credit, the guy in the 'balt didn't edit the vid either.

**EDIT II** I watched those vids several times. I'm not sure what that one vid of the Mustang win was. The Sierra guy's vids only show three runs, and SZ28's vid shows at least four, one with traffic and one with a missed shift. It could have been a legitimate win, or it could have been driver error. Who knows. Either way, both people show the Cobalt taking the win most of the time.

Either way, nice to see it from a different point of view.