codyss

First of all here were the cars involved in the activities.

Dave:
2001 MUSTANG BULLITT GT
- Densecharger CAI
- MAC O/R H-Pipe
- Pro 5.0 Shifter
- Adj. Control Arms
- Tokico Adj. Shocks & Struts
- Nitto Drag Radials on Stock Wheels

Brett:
2001 MUSTANG GT
- BBK CAI w/K&N Filter
- Crower Stage II Cams
- MAC LT Headers w/MAC Prochamber & Flowmaster Cat-Back
- Acufab Plenum w/BBK 70mm TB
- Plasma Booster
- Pro 5.0 Shifter
- Diablosport Predator Programmer
- Aluminum Driveshaft
- Adj. Control Arms
- Nitto Drag Radials on 17x10 Wheels

Me:
2005 COBALT SS/SC
- 100% Stock


The Bullitt and GT raced a few times first. From a dig the GT would put 3-4 cars on the Bullitt and from a 25mph roll to 100mph there was about a 4 car difference.

Then it was my turn to join in on the fun.

I raced the Bullitt first, Twice from a 25mph roll and once from a dig just for kicks.

The first roll race I jumped an instant half car length and by 100mph I had 2.5 cars on him. The second roll race was also from 25mph, I bounced second off the rev limiter so it was pretty even to 80mph.

And now from a dig.

We went off of the last light leaving town, on green he jumped me by at least a car and stayed there until 50mph then I started reeling him in and by 110mph his front wheel was at my door.


Now for the vs GT races I was expecting to loose, by how much is what I wanted to know.

We went from 25mph both times.

The first race was flawed from the start, I lost traction and he pulled at least 3-4 cars on me so I shut down at 45mph.

The second time around was better, It was pretty close at first but by 120mph he had me by almost 3 cars.

That was my Friday night excitment.

helty

Bet that GT sounded mean with those cams

jaydizzle82

god damn gts are slow.....but ya im calling bs unless the dudes cant drive

helty

meh, I wouldnt call total bs, cody, while we'll forever disagree on certain things, he doesnt seem to be the kind to make **** up. Bullitts arent much quicker than GT's from the factory, they're rated at 265/305 vs the GT's 260/302. So, the response from mods are going to be very similar. I agree though, the GT owner may not have run the best race he could.. With stage I cams, full bolt-ons, DR's and good driving GT's can run high-mid 12s. With stage II's he should have pulled away a bit more. But, I wasnt there so what do I know.

undrgrndcobalt

i just don't know what to think... im not raising a flag or anything... but i just don't know...

mjf_z28

good kill on the BULLITT. stock for stock, they are pretty even, with the advantage going to the mustang, but all runs differnent.

codyss

I have been messing with the GT and it seems to me that a full tune is in it's near future.

Even with the Predator there is to much room for improvement.

We are going to take it to a dyno shop in a month or so to get a flip chip made so he can run his nitrous.

helty

has he had a dyno tune since adding the cams? with stage 2's, its not so much a recomendation as a necessity, along with upgraded valve springs. If he hasn't, he could easily pick up another 10-20 with a good dyno tune.

codyss

I used some comp cams springs.

And the tune is next.

Tofu

Helty's right, you can pick up some good gains just from tuning. I had my mustang tuned by JMS using the Xcalibrator (first gen, I know there is an Xcal II now), and it did wonders for my GT after I had done all the motor work to it. If you can't drive to their shop they can also e-mail you the tunes via a cable you can purchase to hook up to the Xcal. They had my tune basically right on the money the first time...I was really impressed.

codyss

I think that some of you are over estimating the modded GT's capabilities.

The major mods like cams & full exhaust add what 45 wheel horsepower. The other stuff combined might be good for 10 wheel horsepower maybe.

That would put it at around 280 wheel horsepower. It is going to take much more than that to run 12's.

I raced him in my Camaro SS before I sold it and from a dig I stomped him, from a roll I absolutly murdered him.

helty

I think Tofu's referring to the gains you get from tuning the car AFTER the cam isntall, not just a tune for a bolt-on GT.

GT's can run 12s with stage I cams, full bolt-ons and DR's. I can post a 12.79 Time slip from a car with 292/308 and some weight reduction if you want me to. I dont disagree with you, the 2V isnt exactly mod-friendly. But done right they can run good times N/A. There are N/A 2V's running just as fast as blown 2V's on stock internals.

codyss

Are the GT's your reffering to running stock gears?

I have never seen any bolt-on GT in the 12's without at least gears.

helty

I believe he's running 3.73s. I didnt mention them above, but was kind of implied. I know gears arent a "bolt-on", but any one that seriously runs at a drag strip does gears as one of the first mods after exhaust, as far as 2V Mustangs are concerned anyway.

codyss

He hasn't upgraded gears yet.

We are going to add some FRPP 3.73's in a week or so.

helty

ok, that makes more sense. Keep us updated, does he ever hit the track? I'd like to know what times he's running.

jaydizzle82

once again...no

01' gt low low low 14 sec car.... with his mods high 12's low 13's

i want to see a video,,, eh nevermind i reread this...says u lost by 3 or 4 i can see that maybe happening...prolly more like 5ish but once ur 3 or 4 back whats another car

Tofu

Eh, I personally think it's a waste to put anything other than 4.10's in a GT and 4.30's in a pre-03 Cobra. It REALLY helps the 2v's stay in their powerband.

Tofu

Here's a vid of my best 1/8th mile ET pass *captured on video* (best 1/8th was a 7.99 after final tune and 31 spline axles w/ 1.88 60ft), an 8.09 w/ a 1.90 60ft, even though I false started... (you can hear the guy in the vid say "yeah but he got a 8" if you need proof lol)

I never was able to get anyone out to the 1/4 track with me to film, all I have are my slips..really sucks since she is gone now.

http://s39.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2...71GG5RLOD4PGO0

edit: oh the last run that is in car was an 8.4 lol, goes to show how much of a difference weight can make.

codyss

I still think it's funny that you need to gear the **** out of a GT to the point where it almost becomes a pain in the ass as a daily driver.

I cannot count how many Mustangs I have killed in my LS1 or LT1, and the first thing that 90% of them ask is " What kind of gears are you running? "

helty

Im running 4.10s and I get better gas mileage than I did with my stock 3.27s. Its not a pain in the ass unless you're lazy and afraid of shifting a little more.

I still think its funny every time a modded GT beats an LT1 or LS1, the first thing that 90% of them say is "well you're cars not stock and it has gears!" Run what you brung right?

codyss

Well LT1 vs GT is a drivers race so a few bolt-ons and the GT will win. Although a LT1 will easily pull hard on a GT when it comes to top end.

As for GT vs LS1, The chance of a LS1 owner having to ask what mods the GT has to keep up with him is rare.

I am not trying to start **** Helty but it if a GT can keep up with LS1's it will be pretty obvious to anyone just by listening or looking at the GT. There is no way to make a GT hang with a LS1 and make it look/sound/feel stock.

helty

I understand what you're getting at man, and Im not trying to start **** either. Stock for stock a GT cant hold a candle to an LS1 F-body. Hell I was stoked when I was running within .35 of an SLP LS1 at the track last weekend. Im not a GM fan at the least, but Im not dumb enough to try to argue that a GT has a chance against an LS1 without being moderately modded.

I just hate it when people make excuses and pull the "you have this and I dont" crap. So what if a GT needs gears, Ford didnt give us enough from the factory. Im in no way impressed by the 2V 99-04s from the factory, hence I mod the **** out of it. But GT's get talked about around here as if they're a cake walk. I mean half these kids get there panties in such a bundle for beating a 96-98 or stock 99-04 GT, how imressive is that, really? On top of that, almost every "kill" I read about around here is from a roll, never a dig.

It just gets frustrating hearing how everyone around here talks so much **** about GT's, yet they've run faster times stock than most Cobalts ever have.

Not hating on you man, just get tired of the same old ****, you know?

codyss

The car scene isn't like it used to be man.

Lately alot of little bitch ass high school kids have gotten there hands on late model F-Bodies and Mustangs. I hear something new everyday, and the internet is even worse.

No one just goes out and races anymore, it's all talking and typing.

helty

Well said man.

Let me know what #'s your buddy's GT puts down after you get it tuned right. Shoot me a PM or something, I like hearing the different #'s from different combos.