Supposedly, the 2nd Gen were made lighter than the 1st gen. I was thinking mine was 24xx lb, but maybe it's actually less. Hmm...

BTW, when I said mine was the first eLSD equipped Cooper, I meant "regular" Cooper. There were JCW's and Cooper S's w/ LSD and eLSD prior. No LSD (electronic or mechanical) has ever been optional until 2009, and as far as I know, mine was the first Cooper built with that option.


It should definitely have an M122... preferrably sticking through the hood.

 

I ran a couple around a a windy road. They handle very well, but man anytime I hit the gas I was flying up on them.

I'm not sure how a SS/TC is compared their handling.

 

Hers was first Gen MCS. Ah. That makes more sense. Yeah, that was a rarity on the base Cooper IIRC. It wasn't till they realized how many people went out to mop up H stock class with them that they had the idea to put any sort of diff in them. Hers is an 05 S, M6, mechanical LSD.

 

this is the most rediculous thing Ive heard EVER. Congrats, u just earned a newb cookie!

 

Yeah, the mechanical LSD is only available on the S. The JCW has the DTC (eLSD) standard, but is not available w/ the mechanical LSD. Supposedly it works quite well according to BMW as well as several magazine reviews of the JCW. Anyway, that system eventually trickled down to mid-'09 model year Coopers and Cooper S's. We decided to place our order for a Cooper w/ DTC and wait a couple months rather than take one w/o it, so ours was the first Cooper built with the option, as far as I know. Someday, I'll have to get to an Auto-X and see how she does.


Seriously?

You didn't comprehend that I was exaggerating?

Maybe I should add 87 laughing smilies due to your lack of comprehension.

 

MCS = FAIL

Everybody knows that stage 2 balts are teh roll race kings

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get over it they are slow in a straight line................

 

Oh, so when you run out of logical arguments, you just fall back on smiles and internet memes?

Convincing.

 

86 will do...

Internet sarcasm fails u

if its slower than a civic si, and a GTI, its a fail.

 

Honestly, I don't know how much more obvious I could have been. Come on, you really thought I was serious that I could run 12's for $42?


Yeah, because straight-line speed is what the Si and GTI are all about, too, right?

 

Which is a bummer for people that care about that or are too dumb to realize that not every car is meant to go straight.

This argument has been attempted many times on this website. I take people on here with a grain of salt. If a person can only appreciate how fast a car goes in a straight line, I just tune out because it's not worth trying to have a rational discussion about cars with them.

 

theyre a half assed attempt at a "tuner". Theyre not mod friendly like a tuner is supposed to be. The cobalt and the NSRT4 have both. Good suspension setups and good power.

 

How mod friendly do you want them to be????? I don't really understand where you're coming from with that.

I also don't understand why you classify it as a tuner car.

 

I disagree completely with your implication that MINI builds this as competition to the Cobalt SS/NSRT4/etc as a "tuner" car.

The cars that the MINI is really built to compete against are not even for sale here in the US.

The number of people who seriously cross-shop any SRT-4 and a MINI is very small. It's a COMPLETELY different car. The MINI is a premium small car that's primarily an efficient little car with excellent handling and unique styling/character.

The CSS/SRT-4/MS3/etc are generic econoboxes with more power and better suspensions thrown at them. That's not to say there's something WRONG with that. If it were MY decision alone, we would have considered the CSS and the MS3 more seriously, but while they also handle well, they are a completely different type of car from the MINI.

Similar price, all have good handling, and they've got 4-cylinders... that's about where the comparison ends.

If you're looking for a premium small car with great handling, excellent efficiency, and a lot of uniquness/character, the MINI is hard to beat.

If you're looking for a "tuner" car that offers a great overall performance package at the expense of some efficiency, fit/finish, and uniqueness, the Cobalt SS/MS3/etc are GREAT choices.

 

EVO's, STI's, WRX's, SRT4's, and the SS/TC are all mod friendly. U can throw a bunch of HP at them EASILY, and they can withstand it.

what do I mean by easily? A 300+ whp SRT4 with just a tune, bolt ons , and injectors. Thats easy.

An 11 sec EVO running a stock turbo.

etc

What I really mean by easy is the fact you dont need to do major work to these cars to make them faster.

this makes perfect sense now.

 

the car is made for auto-x

 

That goes right back to this notion that a MINI is a straight line speed car.

The MINI has alllllll the same aftermarket parts the Cobalts do. Actually I wish we had the aftermarket the MINI crowd does. They've got much better *quality* in their aftermarket support. Mod for mod my friends mini sees a bigger increase in performance from the same parts.

Plus the added bonus of having next to no ricer following.

 

there really isnt though. Maybe in the auto-x department, but not in the turbo/SC upgrade dept.

 

Ricers? No.

People who go completely nuts with "customizing" their MINI's to the point of utter tackiness? Yes.

 

hahaha, Id love to see some pics of this. U got any

 

And there's lots more where these came from...

 

LOLZ.... I just lol'd. People around me probly think Im crazy

 

Do more research. Then comment. I can see where your earlier statements came from then. Just because YOU don't know about the aftermarket doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

They have all the same standard upgrades that the SS/SC has, pullies, tuning, etc plus a helluva lot more than we do. Highly successful, popular and *reliable* twincharge kits for example. Turbo upgrades for the turbo ones. Support from Dinan, Alta, M7, etc.

Actually the reason why I say I envy their aftermarket is not only do they have higher quality parts, they have MANY more of the high end performance parts than the SS/SC doesn't have. Several different ported heads, a lot of cam options, the twincharge kits, etc, etc. Things that the Cobalt community still doesn't have.

http://www.detroittuned.com/shop/?ca...ID=79&offset=0
http://www.grassrootsgarage.com/engine.html
http://www.helix13.com/mini/products/engine-intake (including 250whp Helix Twincharge kit)
http://www.jscspeed.com/mini_r56/turbo.htm Turbo upgrades

Trust me, I know. I've been to MOTD. I wouldn't really call them ricers though, they don't have that mentality. More people who drive a niche vehicle in the same way VW Beetle or luv bus drivers do.

 

I see what youre saying about having tons of parts, however those kits dont yeild the type of power levels Im referring to. You cant compare that aftermarket to the SS or SRT. Sure the mini has upgrade kits, but theyre kind of pathetic.

I guess what Im trying to say is the mini cant compete when its comes to whp/wtq. This is what I have been referring to the whole time. You cant get a stroker 2.6l engine like u can in a NSRT4, or a GMPP race engine like the GMPP crate engine LSJ.

Even if the mini had a 60 mm and bigger turbo, it more than likely wouldnt come close to the power levels the SS and the SRT make because it really isnt built to make power.

 

Dont they have a 1.6L?