ok my friend has a 1992 talon TSI AWD and well hes completly rebuilding it and when he gets it back together he wants to race for money 200$. i raced him once befor he started the rebuild. from a dig he got me off the line but blew past him be the end of 2nd. 40roll killed him 60roll killed him 20roll was even till i shifted to 3rd then i started to walk him.
i was stock then and my car wasnt really broken in i was only boosting 10psi.
ok he says when its back together hes gonna have his turbo ported (says hes keeping the stock turbo) and a catless turbo back exhaust and probly have the boost turned up. now this kid is big on makeing claims and says this will put him at like 270 hp. ok i dont kno how and exhaust and some boost is gonna net him almost 85hp
anyway the way i see it is an exhaust would even up the race judgeing by how bad i beat him when he was stock. now he tells me his car was running like **** when we raced and blah blah blah
anyway what do you guys think. how do we compare to stock DSMs and do you think i will need some mods to beat him if he has an exhaust and ups the boost. (i cant see him being much faster then a stock wrx
any opinions are welcome. i really want to beat this kid he bashes our cars so much (actually all american cars camaros corvettes they all suck to him)
forgot to mention i have a CAI now and i think i have the driver mod

 

do you have a stage 2? DSMs are nothing to take lightly if done up right. if i remember correctly they can boost up to 18-19psi without over exhausting there turbo. 270 may very well be what he gets. I dont know about porting the turbo before i dont think i have ever heard of that but idk

 

I usually see this one guy at the track with a 1995 eclipse GSX at the track, and he's hitting low 13's with just a few mods. You might want to consider modding before you race for that much $$$.

 

12s are actually pretty easy to accomplish with a few mods! Don't take the DSM's lightly man, if they change the turbo, exhaust, tune, 300 isn't a far cry! And froma dig they'd smoke ya, with a good clutch, and tires!

 

i was hopeing he was just talking big but i guess not
im thinking about getting CA stg 3 this summer

 

Those cars built right can run 10s man. I have a buddy who has an old one running 11s, 10s with nos.

 

^^^ yea iv had to listen to this kid brag about them for the past 2 years its getting really annoying.
say he is pushing 270 hp when we race. what mods would i need to beat him

 

Well, if he has 270 hes not going to be running in the 12s even. Stage II, exhaust, header, downpipe, CAI, solid engine and tranny mounts, and a good launch.
^ If you got those it will be a good race. He will have an advantage being lighter, and AWD. At the track if you get drag radials you will be real real close. With traction u could get him if hes got 270 whp.

 

i feel like his car is alot heavier then mine he says it wieghs like 3800lbs

 

yes DSMs can be fast if done up right... key word here RIGHT yeah i'm not so sure an exhaust some porting and upping the boost is gonna net him 85hp. Most likely even if he does reach that goal he's only going to break something. You lose some power up top with AWD powertrain loss too so if you had stage II with intake and exhaust i can see that being a close race if he is indeed at 270

 

Okay, I had a 92 Talon, Had a Big16G ported and clipped, turbo back exhaust, tuned, full intake and that was pretty much it for big stuff, thing was an animal, was BY FAR faster than my S2 SS with CAI and GMPP cat back. Now you say he is going to use the stock turbo so it shouldnt be too bad on ya, but I'd be concerned. My concern for him would be lasting the whole race.. LoL, my experience, those cars dont stay up and running too long, always run it hard then back in the shop to repair whatever broke. Dont get me wrong, friggin love those cars, looked sweet in black with tan leather, not bad for a first car

 

i hate dsm if its one car i hate its them people think there hot **** with them and in fact anyone i know that has one yeah its fast but it dont run for more than a week before it blow the hell up thats all we got around here in pa is them **** box and all they do is make fun of cobalts and everything thats why i made it my goal to get my ss up there to somke the **** out of these dsm and watch man he may say im stock but hes got a 16g and he could have goting a evo3 or 4 or whatever which is a 16g able to push up 30psi

 

knowledge is bliss

supercharged06 and blacksssc06...you won't beat modded AWD dsms. $1k into my cobalt vs. the $500 that I've put into my Talon and guess what...my Talon is still faster...and HOLY **** I've had it for 4 years and the '**** box' hasn't broke on me once. Its called routine maintenance and supporting mods. I've owned almost 10 dsms and haven't had one leave me stranded yet....

make your goal beating a lightly modded gs-t...then you'll be able to smoke the **** out of a dsm

 

11 second talon here in town... its bad ass. but he has tons done to it.
the way i see it in a non dickish way, so dont take it that way.... Shut up and race.... talk when its over. the way you descirbe it. should be a decent race.

 

so are you saying i cant beat him if he has an exhaust and ups the boost.
he had his car on the road for 3 months and it left him stranded like 3 times.
im not saying there not fast cars i just wanna kno if i have a chance

 

no alls im saying is that it should be a good race. the cars arnt always what makes the race. some of the best races iv had were blow outs. what made them good for me was the people talking ****. and the anticipation. I just know what they "can" be. and thats very fast. remember. it takes money to go fast. if he doesnt spend money, he wont be THAT fast in my opinion.

 

he doesnt have alota money i kno that for a fact bc we work the same job. the 1st time we raced when he was stock (supposedly not running right) i raped him from every possible speed. personally i dont think an exhaust is gonna make him fast enough to beat me especially if i do some mods. but im not going to put down 200$ to race something i kno nothing about.

 

I have both. So I have no reason to be biased at all. But I am saying my stg2 SC w/ CAI won't beat my Talon at 16psi. To me, my Cobalt 'feels' fast, but my Talon 'is' fast. I've been beat by alot of cars that I thought my Cobalt would take easily...but when I find those same cars with my Talon, they're toast.

Is he getting full exhaust or cat-back? 2.5" or 3"? I have full 3", and it made a world of difference...but if he's just getting 2.5" cat-back then eh...not a huge gain at all.
And how much is he turning his boost up? If he's going past about 15 on stock fuel system, then his car won't last long (the main reason people think DSMs are garbage, people don't do proper fuel management)

I read that you said something about exhaust and more boost not giving him 85hp...it will give him that at the crank if he's doing full 3" and upping boost 5-6psi. But with the AWD drivetrain loss, it isn't near that amount at the wheels.

Oh and his car stock should be about 3200, yours 2700 (approx.)

Good luck, but I definitely wouldn't do money on this race.

 

my dsm gained 4 tenths of a second in just the 1/8th mile from a 3in. exhaust. with a little port work and upping the boost to go with it, it's gonna get nasty. I'd say as long as he is doing the proper fuel management, your toast. At least from a stop. From a roll it might be a good race if you have more mods. But as of right now, with just a cai, you won't win.

 

ok what happens if i have this mod list
CA stg3, custom tune, 3in H/D/E. full engine and trans mounts
and if we race from a dig im gonna lower the psi in my tires a little for some added traction

 

I don't think you can get 3" for the Cobalt, I believe only 2.5"...correct me if I'm wrong.

You don't mind voiding your warranty just to possibly beat this kids Talon??

If you get all that...which I'm sorry, but I know how **** like this goes...you probaby won't...I'd say it still depends on what exactly he's doing as to who will win. Also driver mod will make a huge difference. And if you do get all that, what are you doing for traction? Cause if you can't catch traction, you'll have so much ground to make up from his launch you won't win.

 

^^^ you can get a 3in exhaust alot of ppl on here have it. i was planning on getting this setup from the start and my warrenty is gone in about 11k miles so its not a huge deal to me my dealer has yet to do warrenty work for me there not gonna start now. CA stg 3 is a big step up from the GM kit its a 2.7 pully and a much better tune i plan on also getting moter mounts and other traction mods

and this kid really need to get put in his place bc he probably the biggest ******* i know
and anthing that isnt a awd turbo charged 4cyl is a piece of **** to him and he voices his opinion regularly and he annoys the **** out of alot of ppl so putting him in his place it like at the top of things to do list

 

well good luck, you'll need it...the kid might be an *******, but his car has alot more potential than the cobalt does (flame suit on)

The way I see it is you saying your gonna mod your Cobalt enough to beat his modded Talon is like me saying I'm gonna mod my Talon enough to beat a modded Z06. Un-*******-likely....but worth a shot.

 

i kno those car have a **** load of potential then the balt does but how fast could he be with just an exhaust

 

Just full 3" exhaust with stock boost...he'd be about as fast as a stock SC Cobalt.