SS vs. Evo
03-26-2006, 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by heyzeus11
Since this is comparing fwd cars and awd cars dont ask quarter mile time; ask trap speeds. Stock 03-05 evos trap at around 99-104mph. What do stock SSs trap at?
stock most SS/SC's from what I have seen trap about 98mph and stay within 96-100mph depending on how much wheel spin/wheel hop they have.
taking that into consideration I guess I could see how an Evo vs an SS/SC would be a close race although I admit I would not expect it to be.
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actually looking at the start date of this thread why the hell am I posting here?
03-27-2006, 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by IonNinja
stock most SS/SC's from what I have seen trap about 98mph and stay within 96-100mph depending on how much wheel spin/wheel hop they have.
taking that into consideration I guess I could see how an Evo vs an SS/SC would be a close race although I admit I would not expect it to be.
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actually looking at the start date of this thread why the hell am I posting here?
taking that into consideration I guess I could see how an Evo vs an SS/SC would be a close race although I admit I would not expect it to be.
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actually looking at the start date of this thread why the hell am I posting here?
It wouldn't , the EVO would beat it by a second on the 1/4 mile.
03-27-2006, 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by tomt5078
It wouldn't , the EVO would beat it by a second on the 1/4 mile.
03-27-2006, 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by heyzeus11
yes the evo would beat it by alteast a second in the quartermile cause of the launch; but the trap speed helps give an indication of how fast the car is.
03-27-2006, 10:29 PM
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LOL. My friend got his 3rd evo like last week. It's an evo 9 mr in grey. It's nice. But yeah he only has 380 miles on the car. I told him to go easy on it and after it's fully broken in (1000 miles or more) we will race from a roll. By that time I should have my 3 inch pulley and scdyne header to acompany my intake and exhaust. I will try to get it on video tape on how bad or how much he hangs with me. This won't be for like another 2-3 weeks though.
I just spoke to him and he's taking his mods off his old evo to put on his new one soon. I told him to wait a couple more weeks.
I just spoke to him and he's taking his mods off his old evo to put on his new one soon. I told him to wait a couple more weeks.
03-28-2006, 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by turboDUB
I have driven both an evo 8 and a sc/ss and the evo pulls 10x harder than the cavalier i mean cobalt.. the only way u will pull on him is if he hit limp mode... and if he was in limp mode and u inched on him that suclks......lol
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03-28-2006, 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by turboDUB
I have driven both an evo 8 and a sc/ss and the evo pulls 10x harder than the cavalier i mean cobalt.. the only way u will pull on him is if he hit limp mode... and if he was in limp mode and u inched on him that suclks......lol
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03-28-2006, 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by illusion
Huh? A FWD cobalt will not keep up with AWD on a real road course. There was a pair of cobalt SS the last time I was at Buttonwillow and one of them chose to poke at one of my friends. On the straights the SS was holding it's own against a bone stock STi, but the instant it came time for turn-in the weakness came through. It lost 2 car lengths by apex, then another 2 on exit. I watched him the whole way through(I was stuck behind him, and you're not allowed to pass in a turn or I would have blown his doors off) and his driving was good, the car was just slopping everywhere, then the straight came so I blew past him so I could school my friend a little lol. Slow traffic gets old real quick :p. I played with cobalt SS back when my wagon was only at about 215whp and only anti sways for suspension, and it was the same outcome. We'd hit a straight and he'd start pulling away from me very slowly, but the instant a turn came up I was on his ass again.
With an STi and someone who know what they are doing, a Cobalt SS has NO chance, crank the DCCD for a little rear bias, and you're pretty much RWD with a little FWD to give you a little extra grunt out of the turn and to help keep you straight.
Comparing modified won't get much better, turbo back and reflash and the STi is easily at 300whp on a mustang dyno, aftermarket turbo and 400+whp is easily attainable on pump gas, slap a rear sway bar on to get it neutral, and you're set. EVOs are the same(low 11s for $3k of investment). You want to talk braking? The EVO and STi OWN the cobalt for braking, don't come out with mag number, try repeated braking from 60-0 and see how many times you can do it. I have similar brakes to an STi, except wilwood calipers instead of brembo 6 pots(same diameter rotor, and close to the same biting surface) and I can do 60-0 time and time again with ZERO fade
Face it, you have a great car for what it is, but don't start fooling yourself with statements such as "EVO's and STi's are only quick because of AWD." would you care to get to the nitty gritty about the differences? There is a reason they are $10K more, and there is a reason people buy them. If It were true that "EVO's and STi's are only quick because of AWD" everyone would own a cobalt then wouldn't they?
With an STi and someone who know what they are doing, a Cobalt SS has NO chance, crank the DCCD for a little rear bias, and you're pretty much RWD with a little FWD to give you a little extra grunt out of the turn and to help keep you straight.
Comparing modified won't get much better, turbo back and reflash and the STi is easily at 300whp on a mustang dyno, aftermarket turbo and 400+whp is easily attainable on pump gas, slap a rear sway bar on to get it neutral, and you're set. EVOs are the same(low 11s for $3k of investment). You want to talk braking? The EVO and STi OWN the cobalt for braking, don't come out with mag number, try repeated braking from 60-0 and see how many times you can do it. I have similar brakes to an STi, except wilwood calipers instead of brembo 6 pots(same diameter rotor, and close to the same biting surface) and I can do 60-0 time and time again with ZERO fade
Face it, you have a great car for what it is, but don't start fooling yourself with statements such as "EVO's and STi's are only quick because of AWD." would you care to get to the nitty gritty about the differences? There is a reason they are $10K more, and there is a reason people buy them. If It were true that "EVO's and STi's are only quick because of AWD" everyone would own a cobalt then wouldn't they?
03-29-2006, 04:19 AM
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Originally Posted by illusion
Huh? A FWD cobalt will not keep up with AWD on a real road course. There was a pair of cobalt SS the last time I was at Buttonwillow...
04-03-2006, 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by WJW
Exactly. Which is the precise reason why the SS S/C can hang with an Evo from a roll but not from a dig
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Thats funny that you say that. At BUTTONWILLOW, for the 2005 Toyo Tires Time Attack, A FWD Cobalt SS/SC got the fastest overall time over a plethora of AWD and RWD sports cars with better power:weight ratios. Here's the results...
04-04-2006, 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by heyzeus11
Maybe; it will also depend on what speed they go from. Well if you know any SS S/C cobalts in the Hampton Roads area that are up for a run I know a some stock/close to stock(just a flash) evos and we can find out for sure. Should be a good race.
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04-06-2006, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by evolve
we are going to unos on military hwy at 7pm, anyone interested?
I even called ya. What yal doing on this of the water this weekend? Heard you have alky now!?!?
04-06-2006, 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by turboDUB
I have driven both an evo 8 and a sc/ss and the evo pulls 10x harder than the cavalier i mean cobalt.. the only way u will pull on him is if he hit limp mode... and if he was in limp mode and u inched on him that suclks......lol
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HAHAHA you called it a cavalier havent heard that one before..go watch broke back mountain you ***
04-06-2006, 10:37 PM
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I Think If The Cobalt Ss/sc Was A Turbo It Would Easy Beat The Evo. But The Sti Is Harder To Beat Since The Evo Is 280hp And The Sti Is 300hp
If Wanted To Buy One I Would Buy The Sti!
If Wanted To Buy One I Would Buy The Sti!
04-07-2006, 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by 97CIVIC
I Think If The Cobalt Ss/sc Was A Turbo It Would Easy Beat The Evo. But The Sti Is Harder To Beat Since The Evo Is 280hp And The Sti Is 300hp
If Wanted To Buy One I Would Buy The Sti!
If Wanted To Buy One I Would Buy The Sti!
04-07-2006, 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by heyzeus11
the evo and sti dyno around the same numbers stock; and turbos have lag but s/c dont.
04-07-2006, 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by 97CIVIC
But Why Dont You Race Your Little Mirage I Mean "evo" Against And Sti The Talk COBALT SS/SC
04-10-2006, 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by 97CIVIC
But Why Dont You Race Your Little Mirage I Mean "evo" Against And Sti The Talk COBALT SS/SC
04-18-2006, 01:03 AM
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Raced an Evo from 2nd@ about 40mph to 90 he was on my door the whole time not gaining. Then we went from a dig and he blew me off. I was happy that I held him off from 40-90. The ss/sc is definately impressive from 2nd gear rolls, runs with the best of them in this segment.
04-20-2006, 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by BACK2GM
mpower240 i raced an evo the other night same gear as you speed n everything but, way different outcome he pulled me by aleast 2-3 cars. he was stock n so am i
04-24-2006, 11:54 AM
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an evo or sti with a driver that knows how to drive would walk all over my ****, bottom line.
Besides, what EVO is stock? a MBC is like 10bux lol check mods in my sig, yeah the SS cant compare I have seen it first hand. We will keep up.personally i dont think our cars are in the same class...codyss, I think your mind would change after my buddy would take you for a 5k drop in his sti
Besides, what EVO is stock? a MBC is like 10bux lol check mods in my sig, yeah the SS cant compare I have seen it first hand. We will keep up.personally i dont think our cars are in the same class...codyss, I think your mind would change after my buddy would take you for a 5k drop in his sti