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Old Jan 4, 2010 | 07:08 PM
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I know of a local here that could run him down. but its a 2871 swapped TC.
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Old Jan 4, 2010 | 07:15 PM
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u are one of the FEW my friend. if he uped the boost on that thing....yikes
Yeah I would love to be 600 lbs lighter like that car. Does not take much to move 2300lbs around. Imagine if that thng was 400 whp. It would trap 130 easily.
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Old Jan 4, 2010 | 07:20 PM
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My miata when I had a 2860RS on it weighed in at 1998lbs and trapped 126 with only 291 RWHP 262 ftlbs
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Old Jan 4, 2010 | 07:32 PM
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yea id like to run a full bolt and tune tc with my current setup and then do it again on around 20psi or so......lol but id def need sum bigger inj......


and actually in the next month or so im gonna pull the motor again and do rod bolts and a new HE wit studs and slightly upping the compression wit a retune and sum 600cc injectors and hoping for around 400rwhp... shouldnt be an issue lol and maybe cushion up the rears alil and slap a slick on it and run a 10 lol
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Old Jan 4, 2010 | 11:24 PM
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from a 40 roll id say the TC has got the jump on you, by 90 you should be walking past though. the tc's stock turbo will just start running out of steam after 3rd gear.
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Old Jan 5, 2010 | 01:11 AM
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from a 40 roll id say the TC has got the jump on you, by 90 you should be walking past though. the tc's stock turbo will just start running out of steam after 3rd gear.
Mine doesn't run out of steam after 3rd gear. If I shift into 4th at 90 I am in my peak tq and whp range. It all depends on your tune. Terms tune make the WHP up top for some reason, the trifecta tune I am running makes the power 3/4 the way up to 7K rpms.
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Old Jan 5, 2010 | 02:31 AM
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IDK what shifting into 3rd does to your turbo to make it lose steam...
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Old Jan 5, 2010 | 08:33 AM
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Yeah mainly your PSI is based on exhaust pressure built up through the rpm band..... (PSI at the manifold.) when you shift, your rpms drop and they build back up again, and you can reach peak PSI once more. Something is wrong if you car falls on its face after 3rd gear. Mine pulls very very hard in 4th.
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Old Jan 5, 2010 | 08:52 AM
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IDK what shifting into 3rd does to your turbo to make it lose steam...
i didnt say shifting INTO 3rd, i said AFTER 3rd. obviously 3rd gear is the tcs strong gear. After 3rd gear our 4th is the weak point where many cars with a bigger turbo or a v8 creep on us. you guys can doubt all you want but its the truth....we dont have evos here.

Originally Posted by drewbroo
Yeah mainly your PSI is based on exhaust pressure built up through the rpm band..... (PSI at the manifold.) when you shift, your rpms drop and they build back up again, and you can reach peak PSI once more. Something is wrong if you car falls on its face after 3rd gear. Mine pulls very very hard in 4th.
i think your overrating your car a bit man. if you go by your theory your car would pull as hard in 4th as it does in 2nd...it doesnt work that way.

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Old Jan 5, 2010 | 08:59 AM
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Heheh I ran a boosted 240 when I was bone stock and pulled him by a car . Ive seen the kid around but havent run into him to ask him what he had done. Obviously not as much as you. Nice car, if I was in the area I would be down in the spring.
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Old Jan 5, 2010 | 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Bades
Im kinda interested in seeing how the SS/TC tuned would do against my S13......We have a track both quarter mile and road course near by and Id like to see how a tuned TC would stand up against me.... if any body is interested let me know....
so you are wanting to compare a car with a engine swap to a cobalt with just a tune? that makes a lot of sense lol. oh and its 1000lbs lighter, if you cant beat a tuned tc with that set up maybe you should stay in the pass. side and let someone else drive. i would kind of like to see a 1000hp supra would do against your s13. oh and sorry for lashing out my wii said i was fat LOL
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Old Jan 5, 2010 | 01:54 PM
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Old Jan 5, 2010 | 02:53 PM
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If you get a race going, I dont wanna see any of the brake boosting crap the STi and EVO guys do, thats garbage.
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Old Jan 5, 2010 | 03:01 PM
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What de'***?
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Old Jan 5, 2010 | 03:13 PM
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No brake boosting? Psh. Why not do it... the SS could do it too.
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Old Jan 5, 2010 | 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by CudaJoe
If you get a race going, I dont wanna see any of the brake boosting crap the STi and EVO guys do, thats garbage.
so is roll racing. it seems they go together.
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Old Jan 5, 2010 | 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike09SS
i didnt say shifting INTO 3rd, i said AFTER 3rd. obviously 3rd gear is the tcs strong gear. After 3rd gear our 4th is the weak point where many cars with a bigger turbo or a v8 creep on us. you guys can doubt all you want but its the truth....we dont have evos here.



i think your overrating your car a bit man. if you go by your theory your car would pull as hard in 4th as it does in 2nd...it doesnt work that way.
Thats not what I am getting at. I am saying it doesn't fall on its face after 3rd gear. My 3rd gear also goes to 114. I usually shift before that though. My 4th is a strong point. It doesn't take long to see 160 on my spedo if I want to be dumb on the street.
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Old Jan 5, 2010 | 05:11 PM
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blah blah race from a roll race from a dig either way it's still a race if the drivers agree... each car has it's strengths and weaknesses. roll race is the best way to determine whether or not one car is faster than the other because rolling doesn't require as much driver skill and eliminates most driver error and lack of skill. so if you're comparing who's car is faster... it's a good way. but to each their own i guess.
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Old Jan 5, 2010 | 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by drewbroo
Thats not what I am getting at. I am saying it doesn't fall on its face after 3rd gear. My 3rd gear also goes to 114. I usually shift before that though. My 4th is a strong point. It doesn't take long to see 160 on my spedo if I want to be dumb on the street.
congratulations you must officially own the fastest cobalt ss tc in the world. because everyone elses does.
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Old Jan 5, 2010 | 06:03 PM
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congratulations you must officially own the fastest cobalt ss tc in the world. because everyone elses does.
You are just being a jackass now, I know mine is not the fastest, I just know that it doesn't fall on its face after 3rd. Maybe if you got rid of the psychotune and let someone else tune your car you would see that.
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Old Jan 5, 2010 | 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by drewbroo
You are just being a jackass now, I know mine is not the fastest, I just know that it doesn't fall on its face after 3rd. Maybe if you got rid of the psychotune and let someone else tune your car you would see that.

no im not. my tune is fine, i dont even have that tune anymore. yours is the only tune that aparently rips after 3rd gear. im not sure you really know what fast is if your claiming that. and please take a video of 114 in 3rd gear id love to see that with these high reving motors we have
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Old Jan 5, 2010 | 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike09SS
i didnt say shifting INTO 3rd, i said AFTER 3rd. obviously 3rd gear is the tcs strong gear. After 3rd gear our 4th is the weak point where many cars with a bigger turbo or a v8 creep on us. you guys can doubt all you want but its the truth....we dont have evos here.



i think your overrating your car a bit man. if you go by your theory your car would pull as hard in 4th as it does in 2nd...it doesnt work that way.
I also think you're exaggerating a little on the restrictions of the stock turbo up top. I think it's more of our lower hp compared to other cars. We can beat higher hp cars at lower speeds because of our power to weight ratio. However as wind resistance grows the car with more hp begins to gain the advantage.

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no im not. my tune is fine, i dont even have that tune anymore. yours is the only tune that aparently rips after 3rd gear. im not sure you really know what fast is if your claiming that. and please take a video of 114 in 3rd gear id love to see that with these high reving motors we have
My 3rd gear will run to 114 also, but I like to shift just over 6k rather then get that close to 7k.

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Old Jan 5, 2010 | 07:02 PM
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I also think you're exaggerating a little on the restrictions of the stock turbo up top. I think it's more of our lower hp compared to other cars. We can beat higher hp cars at lower speeds because of our power to weight ratio. However as wind resistance grows the car with more hp begins to gain the advantage.



My 3rd gear will run to 114 also, but I like to shift just over 6k rather then get that close to 7k.

go ahead and make a video of it....and it doesnt even matter because your not making much power shifting that high. stock turbo is inefficient at those revs. its also not because of our lower horsepower, its because our turbo is not efficient up top. why do you think there are miatas making tuned tc power but trap 130. trust me it doesnt have to do with horsepower. power to weight along with an efficient powerband, which our cars dont have with the stock turbo.
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Old Jan 5, 2010 | 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike09SS
go ahead and make a video of it....and it doesnt even matter because your not making much power shifting that high. stock turbo is inefficient at those revs. its also not because of our lower horsepower, its because our turbo is not efficient up top. why do you think there are miatas making tuned tc power but trap 130. trust me it doesnt have to do with horsepower. power to weight along with an efficient powerband, which our cars dont have with the stock turbo.
Not gonna make a video of it because there's snow on the roads here. Sorry but I'm not gonna kill myself. Let alone my winter tires are only rated to 106. As for the stock turbo being inefficient at those rpm's, are you sure it's the turbo and not our fueling restrictions. From what I've read the turbo, regardless of whether it's stock or not, starves for fuel past like 5750RPM's or something like that.
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Old Jan 5, 2010 | 07:15 PM
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Not gonna make a video of it because there's snow on the roads here. Sorry but I'm not gonna kill myself. Let alone my winter tires are only rated to 106. As for the stock turbo being inefficient at those rpm's, are you sure it's the turbo and not our fueling restrictions. From what I've read the turbo, regardless of whether it's stock or not, starves for fuel past like 5750RPM's or something like that.
the fueling issues have been unlocked i believe. Our turbo is tiny (and when i mean tiny i mean TINY), it runs out of breath in the higher rpms. throw a gt30 on there and watch the difference.
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