yellow cobalt ss/sc vrs. 300whp eagle talon
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yellow cobalt ss/sc vrs. 300whp eagle talon
my room mate told me he tore up a yellow cobalt sssc in fontana CA
he said it was so weak he had to let off in third just to still see him, i lose
to him by maybe a call , let me know if he was full of it or not
i lose by maybe a car , sorry not call
he said it was so weak he had to let off in third just to still see him, i lose
to him by maybe a call , let me know if he was full of it or not
i lose by maybe a car , sorry not call
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intake , header, 3inch custom cat back
hes a front wheel
hes a front wheel
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if his car is really 300WHP (meaning he has a 16G or bigger turbo plus supporting mods), and that's all you have....then you have no chance as long as his car holds together.
P.S. - if he has 300AWHP, then he must have a tsi AWD which is NOT FWD.
P.S. - if he has 300AWHP, then he must have a tsi AWD which is NOT FWD.
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he has a TDO4E its a 60trim and he has dsm link which is a computer ran dino,
its got a huge amount of turbo lag so i get him off the line then he passes me on the top end
he herd the whine , i get my buddys cobalt sssc by about 4-5 cars. he has the same mods
its got a huge amount of turbo lag so i get him off the line then he passes me on the top end
he herd the whine , i get my buddys cobalt sssc by about 4-5 cars. he has the same mods
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wait so your saying you in a redline beat an ss/sc by 4-5 lengths with identical mods? thats certailnly not likely seeing that redlines weigh more. so the race would be very close and are we talking dig races or like 3rd gear pulls? a 3rd gear pull would almost eliminate driver error where as a dig race would not and may very well be the cause for skewed results.
so your buddy has a 60trim FWD talon? what motor? like a 14g or 16g swap? or just a 60 trim on a stock originally NA talon motor? either way any car he races will win eventually when his engine lets go. unless its a fully built 16g 6 bolt which is not likely seeing as that is a very expensive motor and no one in their right mind would waste the money to put that in a FWD car. but if he truely does have a 300hp talon even with your mods it would eat you alive once the turbo spooled
so i suppose if your question is are ss/sc balts slower than redlines then the anwer is no quite the opposite stock redlines are slightly slower than stock ss/sc balts but by a very marginal amount 1-2 tenths of a second bone stock for bone stock only by the small weight differences and that amount of difference being so small makes it a complete drivers race. but like any car with the wrong person behind the wheel a 12 second car could easily make a 15 second pass based on driver error
so your buddy has a 60trim FWD talon? what motor? like a 14g or 16g swap? or just a 60 trim on a stock originally NA talon motor? either way any car he races will win eventually when his engine lets go. unless its a fully built 16g 6 bolt which is not likely seeing as that is a very expensive motor and no one in their right mind would waste the money to put that in a FWD car. but if he truely does have a 300hp talon even with your mods it would eat you alive once the turbo spooled
so i suppose if your question is are ss/sc balts slower than redlines then the anwer is no quite the opposite stock redlines are slightly slower than stock ss/sc balts but by a very marginal amount 1-2 tenths of a second bone stock for bone stock only by the small weight differences and that amount of difference being so small makes it a complete drivers race. but like any car with the wrong person behind the wheel a 12 second car could easily make a 15 second pass based on driver error
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wait so your saying you in a redline beat an ss/sc by 4-5 lengths with identical mods? thats certailnly not likely seeing that redlines weigh more. so the race would be very close and are we talking dig races or like 3rd gear pulls? a 3rd gear pull would almost eliminate driver error where as a dig race would not and may very well be the cause for skewed results.
so your buddy has a 60trim FWD talon? what motor? like a 14g or 16g swap? or just a 60 trim on a stock originally NA talon motor? either way any car he races will win eventually when his engine lets go. unless its a fully built 16g 6 bolt which is not likely seeing as that is a very expensive motor and no one in their right mind would waste the money to put that in a FWD car. but if he truely does have a 300hp talon even with your mods it would eat you alive once the turbo spooled
so i suppose if your question is are ss/sc balts slower than redlines then the anwer is no quite the opposite stock redlines are slightly slower than stock ss/sc balts but by a very marginal amount 1-2 tenths of a second bone stock for bone stock only by the small weight differences and that amount of difference being so small makes it a complete drivers race. but like any car with the wrong person behind the wheel a 12 second car could easily make a 15 second pass based on driver error
so your buddy has a 60trim FWD talon? what motor? like a 14g or 16g swap? or just a 60 trim on a stock originally NA talon motor? either way any car he races will win eventually when his engine lets go. unless its a fully built 16g 6 bolt which is not likely seeing as that is a very expensive motor and no one in their right mind would waste the money to put that in a FWD car. but if he truely does have a 300hp talon even with your mods it would eat you alive once the turbo spooled
so i suppose if your question is are ss/sc balts slower than redlines then the anwer is no quite the opposite stock redlines are slightly slower than stock ss/sc balts but by a very marginal amount 1-2 tenths of a second bone stock for bone stock only by the small weight differences and that amount of difference being so small makes it a complete drivers race. but like any car with the wrong person behind the wheel a 12 second car could easily make a 15 second pass based on driver error
Seriously why do people type out of their ass?
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wait so your saying you in a redline beat an ss/sc by 4-5 lengths with identical mods? thats certailnly not likely seeing that redlines weigh more. so the race would be very close and are we talking dig races or like 3rd gear pulls? a 3rd gear pull would almost eliminate driver error where as a dig race would not and may very well be the cause for skewed results.
so your buddy has a 60trim FWD talon? what motor? like a 14g or 16g swap? or just a 60 trim on a stock originally NA talon motor? either way any car he races will win eventually when his engine lets go. unless its a fully built 16g 6 bolt which is not likely seeing as that is a very expensive motor and no one in their right mind would waste the money to put that in a FWD car. but if he truely does have a 300hp talon even with your mods it would eat you alive once the turbo spooled
so i suppose if your question is are ss/sc balts slower than redlines then the anwer is no quite the opposite stock redlines are slightly slower than stock ss/sc balts but by a very marginal amount 1-2 tenths of a second bone stock for bone stock only by the small weight differences and that amount of difference being so small makes it a complete drivers race. but like any car with the wrong person behind the wheel a 12 second car could easily make a 15 second pass based on driver error
so your buddy has a 60trim FWD talon? what motor? like a 14g or 16g swap? or just a 60 trim on a stock originally NA talon motor? either way any car he races will win eventually when his engine lets go. unless its a fully built 16g 6 bolt which is not likely seeing as that is a very expensive motor and no one in their right mind would waste the money to put that in a FWD car. but if he truely does have a 300hp talon even with your mods it would eat you alive once the turbo spooled
so i suppose if your question is are ss/sc balts slower than redlines then the anwer is no quite the opposite stock redlines are slightly slower than stock ss/sc balts but by a very marginal amount 1-2 tenths of a second bone stock for bone stock only by the small weight differences and that amount of difference being so small makes it a complete drivers race. but like any car with the wrong person behind the wheel a 12 second car could easily make a 15 second pass based on driver error
his talon is a 4g63 , the turbo is like a t4 , with a huge front mount , 880 cc injectors, aem regulator, 225 lb per hour fuel pump , is sick ,
my ion is weird i beat a lot of cars that i shouldnt , ive been racing a while , i dont know
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ok...so let's get this straight. the talon has the 4g63 motor (stock motor for turbo DSMs), with a 60 trim (this is a HUGE turbo) tuning with DSMLink, a front mount, 880cc injectors, and a 255 fuel pump? 
this car will destroy you! once his turbo actually spools, he'll be so far ahead of you you'll barely see his tail lights.
first of all a 16g is a turbo, not an engine type. second, it is EXTREMELY common for 2g DSMs to have a 6bolt 4g63 motor since the 7bolt OEM motors tend to "crankwalk" or break down for some reason or another. third, why would it be a bad idea to put a "fully built" 6 bolt motor in a FWD car? traction? well with proper suspension and tires, traction is not always an issue.
this car will destroy you! once his turbo actually spools, he'll be so far ahead of you you'll barely see his tail lights.
wait so your saying you in a redline beat an ss/sc by 4-5 lengths with identical mods? thats certailnly not likely seeing that redlines weigh more. so the race would be very close and are we talking dig races or like 3rd gear pulls? a 3rd gear pull would almost eliminate driver error where as a dig race would not and may very well be the cause for skewed results.
so your buddy has a 60trim FWD talon? what motor? like a 14g or 16g swap? or just a 60 trim on a stock originally NA talon motor? either way any car he races will win eventually when his engine lets go. unless its a fully built 16g 6 bolt which is not likely seeing as that is a very expensive motor and no one in their right mind would waste the money to put that in a FWD car. but if he truely does have a 300hp talon even with your mods it would eat you alive once the turbo spooled
so i suppose if your question is are ss/sc balts slower than redlines then the anwer is no quite the opposite stock redlines are slightly slower than stock ss/sc balts but by a very marginal amount 1-2 tenths of a second bone stock for bone stock only by the small weight differences and that amount of difference being so small makes it a complete drivers race. but like any car with the wrong person behind the wheel a 12 second car could easily make a 15 second pass based on driver error
so your buddy has a 60trim FWD talon? what motor? like a 14g or 16g swap? or just a 60 trim on a stock originally NA talon motor? either way any car he races will win eventually when his engine lets go. unless its a fully built 16g 6 bolt which is not likely seeing as that is a very expensive motor and no one in their right mind would waste the money to put that in a FWD car. but if he truely does have a 300hp talon even with your mods it would eat you alive once the turbo spooled
so i suppose if your question is are ss/sc balts slower than redlines then the anwer is no quite the opposite stock redlines are slightly slower than stock ss/sc balts but by a very marginal amount 1-2 tenths of a second bone stock for bone stock only by the small weight differences and that amount of difference being so small makes it a complete drivers race. but like any car with the wrong person behind the wheel a 12 second car could easily make a 15 second pass based on driver error
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basically the redline vs ss/sc weight argument is based upon who has a sun roof etc. the way the completely stock redline (no factory options no sunroof) comes weighs less than 80lbs less than a completely stock ss/sc (with no factory options no sunroof) we can just call them even.
maybe when he raced the eclipse in the redline is was a 60-80 race? that would be 2 car lengths i bet
maybe when he raced the eclipse in the redline is was a 60-80 race? that would be 2 car lengths i bet
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Because DSMs seem to be, after the Honda Civic, the Poster Child for Ricers worldwide and to be beat by one that actually isn't just a bunch of bolt on, unpainted plastic with some lowering springs and a huge ass wing.
I'd love to run your roommate's car though. I love DSMs and would love to have a run against one like that. Think it would be pretty fun.
I'd love to run your roommate's car though. I love DSMs and would love to have a run against one like that. Think it would be pretty fun.
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Because DSMs seem to be, after the Honda Civic, the Poster Child for Ricers worldwide and to be beat by one that actually isn't just a bunch of bolt on, unpainted plastic with some lowering springs and a huge ass wing.
I'd love to run your roommate's car though. I love DSMs and would love to have a run against one like that. Think it would be pretty fun.
I'd love to run your roommate's car though. I love DSMs and would love to have a run against one like that. Think it would be pretty fun.
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Two things.
First, I have owned not one, but TWO DSMs...a 1990 Plymouth Laser (2.0 NA) and a 1992 Eagle Talon TSi AWD.
Second, The Fast and the Furious. One of the main cars was a DSM. And that movie IS the anthem for ricers everywhere even though the cars in the movie were anything but.
Also, and maybe this is a IE thing, I've seen more DSMs out here with unpainted ground effects, big azz wings, and fart cannons but yet they are slow as dogs. This, in and of itself, doesn't make it the poster child though. But like I said, I actually owned two and if it wasn't for reliability issues I'd probably still have my 92.
First, I have owned not one, but TWO DSMs...a 1990 Plymouth Laser (2.0 NA) and a 1992 Eagle Talon TSi AWD.
Second, The Fast and the Furious. One of the main cars was a DSM. And that movie IS the anthem for ricers everywhere even though the cars in the movie were anything but.
Also, and maybe this is a IE thing, I've seen more DSMs out here with unpainted ground effects, big azz wings, and fart cannons but yet they are slow as dogs. This, in and of itself, doesn't make it the poster child though. But like I said, I actually owned two and if it wasn't for reliability issues I'd probably still have my 92.
I'm sorry....what? Where do you find these "ricer" DSMs? Granted many DSMers cheap out on parts and some things look "ghetto," the last word I would use to describe them is "ricer." As with any car there are people who make them look like ****. There are many cobalts that I have seen that look horrible, but we don't consider them a poster child for "ricers."
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Two things.
First, I have owned not one, but TWO DSMs...a 1990 Plymouth Laser (2.0 NA) and a 1992 Eagle Talon TSi AWD.
Second, The Fast and the Furious. One of the main cars was a DSM. And that movie IS the anthem for ricers everywhere even though the cars in the movie were anything but.
Also, and maybe this is a IE thing, I've seen more DSMs out here with unpainted ground effects, big azz wings, and fart cannons but yet they are slow as dogs. This, in and of itself, doesn't make it the poster child though. But like I said, I actually owned two and if it wasn't for reliability issues I'd probably still have my 92.
First, I have owned not one, but TWO DSMs...a 1990 Plymouth Laser (2.0 NA) and a 1992 Eagle Talon TSi AWD.
Second, The Fast and the Furious. One of the main cars was a DSM. And that movie IS the anthem for ricers everywhere even though the cars in the movie were anything but.
Also, and maybe this is a IE thing, I've seen more DSMs out here with unpainted ground effects, big azz wings, and fart cannons but yet they are slow as dogs. This, in and of itself, doesn't make it the poster child though. But like I said, I actually owned two and if it wasn't for reliability issues I'd probably still have my 92.
it has nothing to do with being ricey, and im not even a fan of the movies
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The fast and Furious movie is a joke. For starters, the eclipse used in the first one is NA. you can tell just by looking at the valve cover when they open the hood, it's a 2.2 engine. I too owned a DSM, 1999 Eclipse GS-T. The only "riced out" DSM's you find, are generally NA's. Anyone who buys the TSi, GS-T, GSX, is usually performance driven and has the intent to make it fast, before making it flashy. Just seeing a few riced out DSM's in your area, does not validate a comment to generalize all DSM's as a "ricer" car, next to the civic.
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Screw the haters, the only reason people hate on DSMs is cause they are tired of getting their asses handed to them by a DSM.
But I have noticed that the ricey or just plain trashed ones are generally the na ones, usually the turboed ones are a little better taken care of.
But I have noticed that the ricey or just plain trashed ones are generally the na ones, usually the turboed ones are a little better taken care of.