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Old 08-28-2009, 12:19 AM
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zzp s2 vs intense s5

ran a ion redline with fully built motor, intense s5 with full supporting mods and a half ass tune. guy said intense tune was ALLLL crazy so he started to re-tune he said his last dyno was 260-270 whp in that neighborhood basically because he was re-tuning and still working everything out. he did hook up meth yesterday but he didnt use it yet so his only cooling mod was a cobra h/e... i believe he said his iat's were 200 or something at idle. so he was HELLA heat-soaked running a 2.5 pulley obviously. however first run was a 40 roll so i believe his iat's came down it was about 73 degrees out and 40% humidity... first roll we stayed even up to 120... 2nd roll 45 mph... he was ahead by just a front bumper. we did 1 dig probably sat at the light for 1 minute. i got him by 1 and half cars cause obviously he was spinning his ASS off. i understand why lol. so i lost twice on a roll but won on the dig. really cool dood def hopefully i see him at meets. he is posted up here for the air force he is from houston, tx if anyone knows him. my mods if u dont know zzp s2. 3.1 pulley, pcm, 42lb injectors and air box mod. everything else stock. i think once he is fully street tuned i will get my ass walked really good. when i said his motor was built. Tune Time Performance had it for 4 months. Diamond pistons, comp cams, valves, springs. that motor can probably handle well over 300 whp i believe. i was just impressed when i looked at the pulley. i was like HOLLY **** that is small

Also, we all drove down to mexico to do all this cause street racing is illegal in the states

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Old 08-28-2009, 12:28 AM
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he has all that done and practically no cooling mods and a shitty tune?
well nice races.
Old 08-28-2009, 12:32 AM
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lol yea thats me....

Im got her buttoned up w/some of the best stuff, no big boy cams though...but Im tryna tune the thing myself, the intense tune was definitely good for the car when the car only had only the "intense stage 5 parts" and tune...obviously now, I need a real tune w/all the other mods.

Ima noob w/hptuners and I've had the program for a while just barely getting the hang of it...my main mission thus far was to do away with knock. MAF tuning, I had to give up on for the time being cuz it is kicking my ass!! Flashed the car back to the stock stage 5 tune, took out timing, and it runs w/no knock. Step 1.

I cant even get this thing back into the 13s again since the rebuild! lol 14.4 @ 102 @ atco last week. The tuning is coming along though, my afrs are so rich my lc-1 will just stop working and start blinking on wots pulls sometimes. I definitely APPLAUD all you tuners out there after messing with this program! 06ss, you car is definitely quick...its was nice to finally get to mess around w/another LSJ. Ill definitely be at the meets more often bro, was fun

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Old 08-28-2009, 12:34 AM
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too bad the Z06 didnt wanna play with my boy brets camaro. z06 would of got walked lmao i wanted it to happen so bad
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Originally Posted by CobaltSS 16
he has all that done and practically no cooling mods and a shitty tune?
well nice races.
I have meth, a ron davis racing heat exchanger(a upgrade for the cobra guys stock h/e; look it up), and a ported blower.

Oh and my IATs definitely werent 200 at idle! lol I said I hit the traps @ 200* on that hot ass/humid day I went to the track last week. 2.5 definitely makes alot heat either way, and average 3rd gear pull will go to about 160-170 then within seconds drops back to the cruising 135ish on a hot summer day. No denying 2.5 makes crazy heat though, when I hook the meth back when I get the thing dialed in, it should help with the IATs a bit.

The tune is definitely not where it should be, Ima noob tryna learn so gotta give me sum time...

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Old 08-28-2009, 12:37 AM
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gotcha, lol go read my response in the philly chat thread hence why i didnt know much about ur car fully lol just read it you'll understand
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Originally Posted by 06SS ALL DAY
too bad the Z06 didnt wanna play with my boy brets camaro. z06 would of got walked lmao i wanted it to happen so bad
that woulda been a good one, your boys car was a beast haha

**EDIT** Not too mention, I would never take anything away from your car, ZZP is definitely running the game w/the LSJs so its no suprise it runs that close to my car w/mods for days....I need to hit em up and see if they gotta tune for me too, I might give up on this tuning, it aint for everybody haha

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Old 08-28-2009, 01:06 AM
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intense satge 4 vs zzp s2 ...........lolllwhats up tim , i got a camera this time loll
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^^ haha u must be the guy w/the other intense kit...

I will say I wont take away from Intense Racing at all...this car did exactly what Intense said the Stage 5 kit would do when it was first slapped on it(2 years ago). Dyno'd 260whp/260wtq, ran a 13.6 @ 105 w/2.2+ 60fts. That was actually the best the car ever ran, for about 2 years with NO COOLING mods what so ever (the intense stage 5 is still a great buy for the LSJ in my book).

Then the "Intense Tunes are crap!" bug got in my ear and thats when I made my mistake, I let AT LEAST 3 guys on forums that called themselves "tuners" of this good ole LSJ at the time try to tune this thing and guess what, Ironically thats when the motor popped. "man, guess that Intense tune was a good one" I wouldnt exactly call it an Intense S5 vs ZZP S2, more like "a car ZZP S2 car runs neck and neck with a car w/a built LSJ w/a million mods" lol ...proves all the mods in the world dont mean anything w/o a good tune.

But after that mishap I said **** it, no one else is touching this thing, got HPT pro, rebuilt this thing to what it is now, flashed the car w/the intense stage 5 tune as my base tune, took some timing out and I'm now where I am today. The car isn't even as fast as it used to be(14.4 @ 102 2.4 60ft last week; 80* day 100% humidity but still), Im sure that has alot to do with the MAF, Im guessing headers and a full 3" exhaust will throw that original MAF table off a little.

Either way, I wouldn't expect me "trying to tune" my engine to hang w/a ZZP tuned vehicle, even the stage two, personally, Im glad I hung w/you Tim and I cant even really call that me pulling a bumper on you a win on either of the runs!

I would really love to get this MAF dialed in so the AFRs would at least be at what Im commanding and not run pig rich, then finally get to add the timing the car can really take utilizing the meth, then go from there. All tips-n-tricks are welcome, I personally think getting your MAF Error % table zero'd out COMPLETELY(+-2) is IMPOSSIBLE!!!! lol

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Old 08-28-2009, 01:32 AM
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i also might have ANOTHER new cobalt ss/sc owner coming out this sunday. and yo dom for real get first gear boost reduction to about 9-10lbs of boost... it is a WORLD of difference. maybe even 11lbs. i cant believe how fast u went thru first... i bet if u wanted u could of roasted the CRAP out of those tires def.
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who is that new owner??? plus dom you should have spank him loll...bu tim's car is quick, cant wait till you actually get a better tune for your car dom or at least get it tune decently
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Originally Posted by cobaltssredtint
intense satge 4 vs zzp s2 ...........lolllwhats up tim , i got a camera this time loll
^^ camera boy!
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Originally Posted by 06SS ALL DAY
i also might have ANOTHER new cobalt ss/sc owner coming out this sunday. and yo dom for real get first gear boost reduction to about 9-10lbs of boost... it is a WORLD of difference. maybe even 11lbs. i cant believe how fast u went thru first... i bet if u wanted u could of roasted the CRAP out of those tires def.
Im set it up first gear boost reduction now actually, definitely makes a difference as I saw last night haha...I always thought I would get my footwork right to be able to handle it but nope...damn, I wonder if I should set 50% boost reduction through ALL of first gear or just till like till 5000rpms. I think Ill miss roasting the front tires at will from a roll though haha
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who is that new owner??? plus dom you should have spank him loll...bu tim's car is quick, cant wait till you actually get a better tune for your car dom or at least get it tune decently
lol, Tims car is definitely quick, ZZP S2 is win...and I cant wait to get this thing dialed in either, should be pretty be fun
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2 problems with the redline. It was garret's car, and TTP touched it.
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Originally Posted by damien
2 problems with the redline. It was garret's car, and TTP touched it.
awww...TTP put the car together quite nicely actually, Garrett just beat the hell outta this thing and I ended up paying for it haha but I love this thing
Old 08-28-2009, 02:21 PM
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i think 50% thru all of 1st is just to much. as soon as i hook after chirping real quick. i go WOT but i feel i can go 40% or so... that being said ill wait till i can tune my car myself... i just cant afford hpt or pay someone 100 bucks to unlock my vin
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how long did it take you to get to mexico from philly?
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Dom.

I don't want to sound like an ass but take that freaken pulley off there. You have a built engine and it is time to be smart about it.

Get a 2.7" MINIMUM and get the car properly tuned.

Talk to Josh from OTTP and he can help you custom tune your car via email. You will have a 10x better tune after a few logs.

Have you checked your Intercooler pump lately? What are you running for an header/dpt?
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i need to check my pump cause my coolant temp is all over the place........

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^^ camera boy!
you can stroke 15.9 boy

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getting your long term fuel trims in line is gonna take awhile. you need to pull the fuel out of the MAF table 6000HZ and under. it takes quite some time doing it on the street. also to MAF tune at WOT, its: Actual AFR divided by Commanded AFR. the number you get from there needs to be multiplied to the MAF table on all the cells from 6300HZ and above. that will bring you in line with your commanded AFR. tuning really is not that difficult, dont let it scare you :
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Originally Posted by ebristol
Dom.

I don't want to sound like an ass but take that freaken pulley off there. You have a built engine and it is time to be smart about it.

Get a 2.7" MINIMUM and get the car properly tuned.

Talk to Josh from OTTP and he can help you custom tune your car via email. You will have a 10x better tune after a few logs.

Have you checked your Intercooler pump lately? What are you running for an header/dpt?
Meh, if I keep my car i'll throw a 2.5 ring and enlist tuning from some of the more knowledgeable.
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Originally Posted by damien
Meh, if I keep my car i'll throw a 2.5 ring and enlist tuning from some of the more knowledgeable.
Its your engine.
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You know what I find funny. People that broke 300whp or came very close on only an M62 ran 2.5 pulleys.
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Originally Posted by damien
You know what I find funny. People that broke 300whp or came very close on only an M62 ran 2.5 pulleys.
You know what I find funny?

I made 278whp on a 2.8" and 280whp on a 2.7" pulley. And my IAT2s were in the low 140s on the dyno.



I guess if some people want to use the out dated methods of creating HP on and LSJ that is up to them.
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Funniest thing of all is people trying to compare dyno numbers..


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