07blackg5 Build Thread. Operation Moneypit
#52
I still have to figure out what's going to happen once I get this together. Not only do I have to get it tuned, but if there are issues I won't know if it's a tune issue or a vac leak or something haha. It's going to be a challenge. But I'm replacing all the seals and gaskets to hopefully minimize any assembly issues. Slow, steady, and careful.
On top of it all, I will have a brand new clutch that will need to be broken in, and an untuned engine. I need to come up with a gameplan. Arm said he uses the old/use clutch so that he can heat cycle and then tune right away, but the oem 2.2 clutch probably going to cut it for anything under power. If I can get a solid idle and a tune so that I can at least commute out of boost I should be able to break the clutch in, and that he tune under power. I have heard both sides of break in procedure. Some people say heat cycle and then go right into wot tuning, and some say to baby the car for X amount of miles. Either way I need to get the car idling ASAP so I can heat cycle. One step at a time
And typing on my phone sucks...
On top of it all, I will have a brand new clutch that will need to be broken in, and an untuned engine. I need to come up with a gameplan. Arm said he uses the old/use clutch so that he can heat cycle and then tune right away, but the oem 2.2 clutch probably going to cut it for anything under power. If I can get a solid idle and a tune so that I can at least commute out of boost I should be able to break the clutch in, and that he tune under power. I have heard both sides of break in procedure. Some people say heat cycle and then go right into wot tuning, and some say to baby the car for X amount of miles. Either way I need to get the car idling ASAP so I can heat cycle. One step at a time
And typing on my phone sucks...
#53
I assume the inside of the ring that is pressed into the ZZP cam (the one with the tack welds) is notched somehow for the cam sensor to pick up. Same way the press on for the LSJ is notched. Shouldnt be too difficult to copy some of the LSJ settings over to the L61 tune, ive been doing that for the past few weeks for my 2.4. Some of the scaling could be a bit different in the tables but you should be able to get it almost spot on. You can grab an OEM 2.2 tune file off the hptuners website.
I have a copy of the LSJ stage 2 tune as well.
I have a copy of the LSJ stage 2 tune as well.
I don't think you'll be able to get that kind of a tune file. It would be too risky for someone else to give out their tunes. I'd say disable VE and tune for MAF only. 5_Liter_Eater has a great post on HPT forums for tuning idle airflow and even gives a config. I used this to tune my airflow and it works great except my O2 sensor is bad. About to throw in the towel nailing down idle - Page 5
Also I have a stock L61 file for an auto if you want it.
Also I have a stock L61 file for an auto if you want it.
#55
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Havent even gotten to that yet lol gonna mock it up on the spare head i have on my work bench and see what I can do about alignment. I might drill out a small hole in the flange and use a dowel as a centering pin if I the space is available on the manifold. Desperately waiting for some spring like weather so I can start putting all these pieces together.
#57
I was thinking about using something similar to this with a nut on 2 of the holes, and then just using the m6 screws on the rest. all it needs are 2 holes to keep it alligned
I just want to find one with more of a step from m6 to m8 so that it sits flush against the head to keep the gasket centered too. the one I pictured would keep the manifold centered, but not the gasket
I just want to find one with more of a step from m6 to m8 so that it sits flush against the head to keep the gasket centered too. the one I pictured would keep the manifold centered, but not the gasket
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not yet, haven't yoou been following the build thread? lol
Hmm that would work well, Ill have to take a look on mcmastercarr and see what I can find.
I was thinking about using something similar to this with a nut on 2 of the holes, and then just using the m6 screws on the rest. all it needs are 2 holes to keep it alligned
I just want to find one with more of a step from m6 to m8 so that it sits flush against the head to keep the gasket centered too. the one I pictured would keep the manifold centered, but not the gasket
I just want to find one with more of a step from m6 to m8 so that it sits flush against the head to keep the gasket centered too. the one I pictured would keep the manifold centered, but not the gasket
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#61
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I dont even know where you would find those studs you posted, they appear to be an OEM specific part for a motorcycle, and no thread pitch is listed (appears to be coarse thread). Im planning on ordering the phenolic spacer as well so this is something we are both gonna be working on. lol
#65
That was the first thing I considered, but the head is already fully assembled.
I'm going to give my uncle a call. He's a tool maker at Ford, and might be able to make me a stud like I want. Not 100% sure if he can/will, but i'm going to ask.
On another note, I got my new lsj manifold torn down, and started to plumb for dual pass/option B.
I was originally upset that zzp switched to red hose, but it's growing on me. Plus it's made in the USA, and seems really nice. It will be mostly hidden, so I stopped caring. I could always go to the parts store and get black hose, but from what Ive gotten before, it wont be this nice.
Depending on how this fits once it's in the car, I might need to tighten up the radius of the hose. For right now, I just tried to keep the hose as straight as possible. Gave me something to do while it's freezing cold out haha
I'm going to give my uncle a call. He's a tool maker at Ford, and might be able to make me a stud like I want. Not 100% sure if he can/will, but i'm going to ask.
On another note, I got my new lsj manifold torn down, and started to plumb for dual pass/option B.
I was originally upset that zzp switched to red hose, but it's growing on me. Plus it's made in the USA, and seems really nice. It will be mostly hidden, so I stopped caring. I could always go to the parts store and get black hose, but from what Ive gotten before, it wont be this nice.
Depending on how this fits once it's in the car, I might need to tighten up the radius of the hose. For right now, I just tried to keep the hose as straight as possible. Gave me something to do while it's freezing cold out haha
#71
I know my "ls4" came off of a trailblazer. They were in the ls4 cars, canyon/Colorado, trailblazers, and a whole bunch of other cars/trucks.
I'm not sure if there are any 6 pin ones, but that would be nice to not have to splice a pigtail in. The only concern is zzp says that their 6 to 8 pin harness wont work with the 05-07 cars. not sure if there were two different 6 pin plugs/wiring configurations, but it's worth looking into
I'm not sure if there are any 6 pin ones, but that would be nice to not have to splice a pigtail in. The only concern is zzp says that their 6 to 8 pin harness wont work with the 05-07 cars. not sure if there were two different 6 pin plugs/wiring configurations, but it's worth looking into
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There is a difference between the 8pin 05-06 throttle bodies and the 8pin LSJ throttle bodies. That's why the ZZP harness won't work. But if you're 6pin anyway and the 5.3L throttle body has the same pinout and is 80mm then why not? Even if you had to port the inlet of the TVS slightly or have an adapter made. I'm very curious now. I wonder if I could port an M62 to 80mm...
#73
zzp makes an 8pin to 8pin to solve the issue you stated, I believe
They also make a 6 pin to 8 pin, but it says that it will not work on 05-07 cars. were there even 6 pins after 07? I will shoot them an email tomorrow and ask them to clarify.
If anything, the 30 some dollar harness is a lot less than a GM pigtail costs. I would probably buy the zzp (if it was compatible), see how the wires were jumped, and cut/solder the pigtail on
They also make a 6 pin to 8 pin, but it says that it will not work on 05-07 cars. were there even 6 pins after 07? I will shoot them an email tomorrow and ask them to clarify.
If anything, the 30 some dollar harness is a lot less than a GM pigtail costs. I would probably buy the zzp (if it was compatible), see how the wires were jumped, and cut/solder the pigtail on
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zzp makes an 8pin to 8pin to solve the issue you stated, I believe
They also make a 6 pin to 8 pin, but it says that it will not work on 05-07 cars. were there even 6 pins after 07? I will shoot them an email tomorrow and ask them to clarify.
If anything, the 30 some dollar harness is a lot less than a GM pigtail costs. I would probably buy the zzp (if it was compatible), see how the wires were jumped, and cut/solder the pigtail on
They also make a 6 pin to 8 pin, but it says that it will not work on 05-07 cars. were there even 6 pins after 07? I will shoot them an email tomorrow and ask them to clarify.
If anything, the 30 some dollar harness is a lot less than a GM pigtail costs. I would probably buy the zzp (if it was compatible), see how the wires were jumped, and cut/solder the pigtail on