Oh. You say Charge Air Piping Kits are cool...but you want MORE?

Well. we did it before with our much-loved 3" SS Exhausts, and now it's the TC guys' turn:

YOU name the Group Buy terms and conditions for a Group Buy on our new Performance Intercooler!

We're going to run this past Forum members first, then to the general public.

I need your opinions...

How much?

How fast?

How many?

What options?

...let THIS Group Buy begin. :cssNET:

UPDATE: 10-25-08

With your input, which we value greatly, I now propose the following for the largest, best designed IC Upgrade available for Cobalt SS/TC!

MSRP: $799.

Group Buy Terms:

$699 if we get 10 players
$625 if we get 15
$550 if we get 20

The GB would close on Friday, November 28th, allowing ample time to get this under the tree in time for Christmas.

Combine your purchase with our Charge Air Piping Kit (http://www.cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.php?t=139261) and also enjoy Free Shipping!


UPDATE: 11-12-08

Use this handy link to place your order with us. It also describes payment methods:

How to Order (http://www.turbosystem.com/hahn/hrc/order.htm)

In filling out the order form, use the following part number, description, and pricing:

H IC-1060: Cobalt TC HP Intercooler $550.00

Should you wish the HAHN logo on the intercooler (no additional charge, thank you for flying the colors!)

H IC-0001: HAHN Logo on intrclr, Black $0.00
H IC-0002: HAHN Logo on intrclr, Red $0.00


If you are ordering this along with the Charge Air Piping Group Buy, you will also enjoy free shipping. See the first post in this thread for ordering details:

Group Buy on Hahn Cobalt TC Charge Air Piping Kits (http://www.cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.php?t=139261)



When you commit via post or PM, or send in the Order Form, we will move you to the SOLID list below. We'll charge you a $100 deposit when you submit the order form. More details on this can be viewed in Post 190 of this thread.

The Solid List:

SUKXOST
08SStc
JUICETURBOSS
BPark86
IsItFast?
Premier
Kage
red2001ss
supermantxz24
SportredSS
Boost_this
AaronHHRSS
gorillaman1825
SRodSS007
glhs379
Adrenalin9150
EcoBoost
EcoBoost
EcoBoost
EcoBoost




http://www.turbosystem.com/ProjectVehicles/New_Folder/Cobalt/P1010294.JPG

We didn't have to go much further than our popular Solstice/Sky intercooler to design this exciting new version for Cobalt SS-TC. Using our purpose-built and designed cooling core (a Hahn exclusive!) provided a proven solution, one not limited by choosing some "off-the-shelf" universal core. This core features a whopping 835 cubic inches of volume! We added expertly-crafted sheetmetal end tanks that are carefully designed to augment airflow and avoid turbulence and 'dead spots'. For a well-engineered finishing touch, we retained the OEM mounting brackets and their beneficial rubber isolator mounts.

The largest unit available, with 28% more core volume than the nearest competitor, this unit will provide all the cooling your TC could ever need, no matter what you do in the future to increase its power! It not only increases overall power, it also improves throttle response due to reduced inlet restriction. While its overall core volume is over 150% that of stock, it still nestles cleanly into the space occupied by the stock intercooler. Its bar-and-plate construction considerably improves both heat storage and rejection compared to the stock tube/fin design. Compatible with both stock and Hahn RaceCraft intercooler piping, as well as with Hahn/BSR PPC Tuner.

Add the Hahn RaceCraft logo in red or black for no additional charge!

Only cause i feel people will ask , numbers hp/tq wise?

I spotted the "HHR" :lol:

Would like to see the logo on the IC to. Got any pics?

I spotted the "HHR" :lol:
Ah yes...we are all over Every Ecotec application that has mattered...since 2002. :cssNET:

Would like to see the logo on the IC to. Got any pics?
I'll post one tomorrow, thanks ;)

Only cause i feel people will ask , numbers hp/tq wise?
I'll get you some data tomorrow as well.

How much? $200

How fast? tonight

How many?1

What options? YOu tell me what I can get for that price

QUIT LAUGHING AT ME:lol:

400!!! and no 4 week wait this time:lol:

Oh. You say Charge Air Piping Kits are cool...but you want MORE?

Well. we did it before with our much-loved 3" SS Exhausts, and now it's the TC guys' turn:

YOU name the Group Buy terms and conditions for a Group Buy on our new Performance Intercooler!

We're going to run this past Forum members first, then to the general public.

I need your opinions...

How much?

How fast?

How many?

What options?

...let THIS Group Buy begin. :cssNET:

http://www.turbosystem.com/ProjectVehicles/New_Folder/Cobalt/P1010294.JPG

We didn't have to go much further than our popular Solstice/Sky intercooler to design this exciting new version for Cobalt SS-TC. Using our purpose-built and designed cooling core (a Hahn exclusive!) provided a proven solution, one not limited by choosing some "off-the-shelf" universal core. This core features a whopping 835 cubic inches of volume! We added expertly-crafted sheetmetal end tanks that are carefully designed to augment airflow and avoid turbulence and 'dead spots'. For a well-engineered finishing touch, we retained the OEM mounting brackets and their beneficial rubber isolator mounts.

This unit will provide all the cooling your TC could ever need, no matter what you do in the future to increase its power! It not only increases overall power, it also improves throttle response due to reduced inlet restriction. While its overall core volume is over 150% that of stock, it still nestles cleanly into the space occupied by the stock intercooler. Its bar-and-plate construction considerably improves both heat storage and rejection compared to the stock tube/fin design. Compatible with both stock and Hahn RaceCraft intercooler piping, as well as with Hahn/BSR PPC Tuner.

Add the Hahn RaceCraft logo in red or black for no additional charge!


sheetmetal end tanks on an aluminum intercooler? isnt this going to casue a problem down the road with the 2 metals reacting to one and other? sheetmetal will make the aluminum start to carode(sp) and weaken eill it not?

general question, not bashing

sheetmetal end tanks on an aluminum intercooler? isnt this going to casue a problem down the road with the 2 metals reacting to one and other? sheetmetal will make the aluminum start to carode(sp) and weaken eill it not?

general question, not bashing

I think what Bill meant by that comment was a sheet of aluminum was used to form the end tank. Not actual sheet metal as in mild steel or stainless steel. You can clearly see in the picutres that its an aluminum end tank which is welded onto the core.

Good looking piece there Bill keep up the good work!

PS: I never heard back from you on the PM I sent you :)


-Karo

i saw that but looking at the picture and then reding the description ...thats why i asked

looks sexy...and i believe thats the same cubic inch size as the Large CX racing HE for the SS/SC's, which we ALL know is large! lol

How would this compare to the $400 upgrade offered by Synapse? Theirs appears larger, but appearances (and performance of the intercooler) can be deceiving.

i might have to get this later, my ic is crap.

A larger I/C would produce more lag would it not?


How much would it be?

And whoever said their stock I/C is crap:lol:

The highest IAT2 I have seen is like...95*, after back to back 115 mph runs


Best question yet Bill...why would a stock turbo SS need one?

Can you get some real charge piping with it?

And those two together should be less than 1000 bucks.

I'm interested in the HP/TQ numbers. :)

A larger I/C would produce more lag would it not?


Yes... it will indeed.
And I don't think anyone said the stocker is crap.... but when you crank up the boost with HPT, the discharge temps go way up, as the turbo is out of the efficiency range, and pushing the limits of it's map. A bigger IC would cure the ill affects of more heat.... the lag is a small price to pay.

I'm interested in the HP/TQ numbers. :)

Of course... everyone does.
... and guess what... they are exactly the same.
An intercooler is only as good as the system it's put on.

As mentioned above... a bigger IC on a stock motor... probably very little gain. Bigger IC on a motor with more boost... probably a nice gain from more cooling.

Can you get some real charge piping with it?




I'm no Bill by any means, but a simple look on their website and I found this.

http://www.turbosystem.com/ProjectVehicles/New_Folder/Cobalt/P1010296.JPG


-Karo

I'm no Bill by any means, but a simple look on their website and I found this.



There is also a GB on for that.

the solstice guys are getting like 20+wheel with this cooler over the stocker on their forums with the bsr tuner.

$375
a must to be cheaper than an exhisting product

how about a group buy on the ppc tuner? I would be much happier with a tune then a intercooler IMO

very nice product just have my eyes on other parts you have first;)

Go with the tune and IC!

They go together like jack and coke!

Only cause i feel people will ask , numbers hp/tq wise?Here's a dyno comparison that shows intercooler performance versus stock. It's on a PPC-equipped, but otherwise stock HHR SS-TC using the same intercooler design.

If you'd like to see the entire test, click here:

Intercooler Testing, Stock vs. Hahn (http://www.turbosystem.com/ProjectVehicles/New_Folder/Cobalt/Intercooler%20Upgrade.htm)

http://www.turbosystem.com/New_Folder/Comparison%20IC%20&%20Piping,%201-2-3-4%20gear%202%20runs.jpg

Would like to see the logo on the IC to. Got any pics?

Sure...here's a look. The super-wide core (almost 27 inches) fills the entire grille opening very nicely!

http://www.turbosystem.com/ProjectVehicles/New_Folder/Cobalt/P1010003.JPG

very nice id definitely want the writing on there.

looks sexy...and i believe thats the same cubic inch size as the Large CX racing HE for the SS/SC's, which we ALL know is large! lol
It is...huge.

It is the largest core we've ever produced for a bolt-in intercooler upgrade:

26.5" long, 8" tall, and 4" deep. The internal core volume is equivalent to 150% that of stock. It will support up to 700 HP without breaking a sweat.

In this pic, you can see the difference vs stock in height...we are 30% taller:

http://www.turbosystem.com/ProjectVehicles/New_Folder/Cobalt/P1010011.JPG


And in this one, the difference in depth...we are 35% thicker:

http://www.turbosystem.com/ProjectVehicles/New_Folder/Cobalt/P1010014.JPG

so bill how much for this beast?

DAMN! Thanks Hahn!!!!

How would this compare to the $400 upgrade offered by Synapse? Theirs appears larger, but appearances (and performance of the intercooler) can be deceiving.
See above for dimensions of our core.

Is it possible to tell how much torque this gave you?
And, would it have different horsepower & torque numbers for a Cobalt, as opposed to the HHR?

from the pics I see, the snyapse IC endtanks are not as well designed as this IC.

They make a sharp 90 degree bend from the piping to the core,

Bill's IC has a nice well designed curve for much better air flow.

A larger I/C would produce more lag would it not?

Best question yet Bill...why would a stock turbo SS need one?

Larger intercooler volume, within reason, will not cause slow down turbocharger response. In almost all cases, the opposite is true...the lower restriction afforded by the larger core allows turbocharged air to reach the throttle body sooner, and with more flow at all delivery rates. Our Solstice and Sky* LNF customers are impressed with not only the overall power increase, but the low-to-mid throttle improvement as well. The turbo just does not have to work as hard to force air through the core.

Overall the car feels smoother. I associate this with the ever-active boost control system...the little spikes and surges is causes are smoothed out by the additional 'plenum' volume that these end tanks and larger core create.

The additional volume is a sliver when compared to the air ingestion rate of the engine. Keep in mind...it 3000 RPM, this engine is processing 3000 liters of air per minute. That's 50 liters...per second. So if this intercooler is adding 5 liters of volume, it will take an additional tenth of a second to fill it....a virtual eyedropper of air ;)

So, in addition to smoothness and lower RPM increase iimprovement, a stock TC will see a minor power gain of about 10 HP on flow alone...but as my intercooler heat tests show, modified Cobalts can get the stock intercooler panting for breath in a hurry!

And...if one plans to go for it in the future, well...there's no time like the present to get started removing thermal stress from that engine, while laying in the ONLY Intercooler you will ever need, no matter how far you go!


*Note...the stock intercooler on the Solstice-Sky is smaller than TC, so at stock power levels, the relative difference won't be as strong with TC.

ok what is the PPc tune??? does it work?? ummm how much for it?? and this intercooler and everything lol i finally got money!!! i need to jump on this quick!!! the tune intrigues me the most.

wow those pics really give you a idea of how huge this intercooler really is!

so about the price!?!

Yes... it will indeed.
And I don't think anyone said the stocker is crap.... but when you crank up the boost with HPT, the discharge temps go way up, as the turbo is out of the efficiency range, and pushing the limits of it's map. A bigger IC would cure the ill affects of more heat...

Quite the case, as our testing backs up.

the solstice guys are getting like 20+wheel with this cooler over the stocker on their forums with the bsr tuner.
You bet! Many happy LNF turbo customers already loving this design :)

...Bill's IC has a nice well designed curve for much better air flow.
We take great pride in engineering intercooler tanks that enhance airflow. Good design gives free power, and free response improvements!

The tanks are not only curved on the side and front to direct airflow, they are also swept back to further encourage excellent transition, eliminating the 90-degree sharp bottleneck of the stock intercooler. That's why our hose nipple there is so much shorter than stock...it ends in the same position as stock, but the swept-back tank eliminates the longer nipple portion.

http://www.turbosystem.com/ProjectVehicles/New_Folder/Cobalt/P1010019.JPG

How would this compare to the $400 upgrade offered by Synapse? Theirs appears larger, but appearances (and performance of the intercooler) can be deceiving.

from the pics I see, the snyapse IC endtanks are not as well designed as this IC.

They make a sharp 90 degree bend from the piping to the core,

Bill's IC has a nice well designed curve for much better air flow.

^^^ As stated above.

This IC is DEFINITELY larger than the Synapse IC which is only 24x8x3.5. Should have waited for this!! :mad:

hey what happen with the hahn level 5 kit for the ss/sc i never did find out the price for it lol i went on the site but no luck

:usa:wow those pics really give you a idea of how huge this intercooler really is!

so about the price!?!
Thanks! It is indeed a brute, and we engineered it to nestle into the stock location perfectly.

As for price on the Group Buy...let's first detemine a duration for the Buy. I was going for 30-60 days, so as to gather enough people to really nail a good price for you guys n' gals!

Your input matters. Bil Hahn wants YOU to vote for this Group Buy! :usa:




hey what happen with the hahn level 5 kit for the ss/sc i never did find out the price for it lol i went on the site but no luck

Try this page:

Cobalt TurboSystems for SC (http://www.turbosystem.com/ProjectVehicles/New_Folder/Cobalt/Cobalt%20In%20Development%20Page.htm)

ok so a price still hasnt been decided?? lol

well 60 days has the most potential for the most buyers.

ok so a price still hasnt been decided?? lol
Oh no...it takes a bit to gather all the input. Last time we did a Do-It-Yourselves Group Buy like this one, we didn't nail pricing for a week or more.

Let's see what folks have to say...let's talk pricing, quantities...yes, Quantities :twothumbs

i dont know where he wanted to post about a combo. the more i look into the more i want a combo on this and the piping and i keep goin between the threads to try to figure it out.

i'd buy one if i could sell my Synapse IC.....:twothumbs

i dont know where he wanted to post about a combo. the more i look into the more i want a combo on this and the piping and i keep goin between the threads to try to figure it out.
Sorry to confuse...things will be a bit awkward until we establish pricing....my method of 'roll-your-own' Group Buy is a bit unusual, but very fun!

We'll do combo pricing too. Everyone, please keep the suggestions coming!

Once we establish the GB parameters, we'll post pricing and start The List.

60 days 20 buyers $300

a reasonable price would be around $375-$450 shipped, the more buyers the lower the number

ahh ok i understand i sent a PM on the PPC tune. im intrigued about it. its under Soldier Steve'O ha ha ha.

Well i was looking at pricing for upgrades for an EVO to have some type of idea what they generally run....Buschur racing which have been around for a while has a front mount and piping w/clamps etc for $759.00, so my 2 cents would be do the intercooler and piping w/ couplers at around the same.

T clamps and powder coating extra charge(minimal):)

Since it looks like we have a while to wait for this should I get the PPC first? Let me know ........

Well i was looking at pricing for upgrades for an EVO to have some type of idea what they generally run....Buschur racing which have been around for a while has a front mount and piping w/clamps etc for $759.00, so my 2 cents would be do the intercooler and piping w/ couplers at around the same.

T clamps and powder coating extra charge(minimal):)

Since it looks like we have a while to wait for this should I get the PPC first? Let me know ........

HP Tuners!

HP Tuners!
if not close to anybody that tunes i'd recommend the PPC tuner. awesome power gains from that bad boy.

Bill 60 days is plenty of time for everyone to gather some money up, including myself. i'm definitely interested in this GB. missed the one for the exhaust and i'm not missing another!

60 days 20 buyers $300

i agree

I think $350 shipped a is fair compromise.....


I'll probably pass up on it though bc I hate group buys and am impatient when I order parts.....no way I'm waiting 60 days for something to ship out.....

Could it possibly be a shipped out when its bought....or will it be the traditional GB where veryone waits til' its over.......If you set the price up front then u can ship as we buy right.......

I think $350 shipped a is fair compromise.....


I'll probably pass up on it though bc I hate group buys and am impatient when I order parts.....no way I'm waiting 60 days for something to ship out.....

Could it possibly be a shipped out when its bought....or will it be the traditional GB where veryone waits til' its over.......If you set the price up front then u can ship as we buy right.......Well, we could also look at 45 days...like I say, I'll go with consensus on time, so long as it makes sense.

We'd likely not build the run until the GB is complete and all members deposited. Of course, that's part of how the economy of a GB works on our end...instead of building 'onesie-twosies' we just blow through a bunch, sharing the savings with you good folks. :twothumbs

Don't be concerned on time though...we have a large and capable fab staff who can really make it happen! In our last GB, we built and shipped 30 3" catbacks...in less than 2 weeks;)

If I see this for $350 I am in. I would also love to see some combo prices!

all in favor of a $650 shipped for the cooler and piping say i!!!

and may i strongly suggest these mods to any of you guys who just got ur balt and have plans to be pushin some serious horse in the future this is a good mod to do FIRST. If you are planning on doing the GMPP Stage 1 upgrade, gettin the BSR tuner, or tuning with HPTuners then this is a good mod for you let's agree on this price so we can get em sooner!!

hahn makes Top notch quality products i have the intercooler for the ss/sc hahn kit and i cant even begin to make it work hard lol it takes what ever i can throw at it and temps never rise above 100* with a ambient temp of 75-80* and boost levels of 22-24psi


great intercooler and this one is a tad larger than mine i believe!

im def. in if we can do a combo intercooler/ piping for at most $700+ shipping. I already have the HAHN catback and love it

based on the quality of Hahn's products and how much other sites sell their stuff for i'd think that $775 would be a FAIR price to pay for both because i think i'd definitely want both.

round $400-$375 for the charge piping and the same for the intercooler being that it's a MONSTER!! and way bigger than Synapse's I/C.

OK lets start a list...

400 and below im in....


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Hey Bill, can us HHR guys jump in on this? ;) This looks better than the introductory pricing over there. I promise I won't tell!

OK lets start a list...

400 and below im in....


1. Ferretts
2. Lecznar1
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and this is a list for the Piping and I/C for $650
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I am in for 400 or below on the IC!

and this is a list for the Piping and I/C for $650
1. Lecznar1
2. 08sstc
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I would vote for a combo of the piping + intercooler for

1-10 $675
11-15 $650
16-20 $625
20+ $600

Intercooler alone:

1-10 -$425
11-15-$410
16-20-$400
20+ -$375

Piping:
1-10 -$315
11-15-$300
16-20-$275
20+ -$260

At $600 for the pair you could count me in.

Well, I don't blame you folks for trying...I would too!

...but I have to say, we'll need to get the intercooler price up to a more reasonable region. This is a very sophisticated piece, and is worth more than anything else currently available based on cooling capacity, workmanship, and overall features.

As a point of comparison, the considerably smaller Garrett core adapted for the competing product referred to earlier in this thread has an MSRP of $349...just for the core. Based on that, as our core is 28% larger: $349 x 1.28 = $446 MSRP for the core alone...and that's before the cost of primo sheet aluminum and tube is added, and then the ever-expensive expert fabrication and TIG-welding you see in the photos (my veteran fabricators and welders, each boasting decades of experience, do NOT work for peanuts!).

Now, I know...it's a premium product, from a very reputable company that's not only supported the domestic compact cause for over ten years, some would say we even pioneered it! This type of quality and rep may not be for everyone...but I don't think any of you will be diasppointed in the value per dollar that this GB ultimately results in.

i think thats fair. the combo should be a lil less though. i mean instead of buyin each seperately the combo should be like maybe 100 cheaper. nothin too major and since i know u do sport tint red hahn logo on yer intercooler id definatelt want that!!! so around 480-500 for the I/C. and im thinkin 800 for the combo.

Now, I know...it's a premium product, from a very reputable company that's not only supported the domestic compact cause for over ten years, some would say we even pioneered it! This type of quality and rep may not be for everyone...but I don't think any of you will be diasppointed in the value per dollar that this GB ultimately results in.

Might I point out as well, that AGP charges $550 for their mini-FMIC upgrade.
Their other selections of race IC's range from $650 to $850.

... just for comparison... :)

i think thats fair. the combo should be a lil less though. i mean instead of buyin each seperately the combo should be like maybe 100 cheaper. nothin too major and since i know u do sport tint red hahn logo on yer intercooler id definatelt want that!!! so around 480-500 for the I/C. and im thinkin 800 for the combo.Umm...keep in mind the prices I quoted above were for Core Only...that's just the starting point, before endtanks are fabricated and installed.

Here's a bare core:


http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbobygarrett/images/catalog/intercoolers/intracoolers_left.gif

Just set a price and i'll buy it....lol....

Just set a price and i'll buy it....lol....

+1, it's a bit awkward debating on prices Bill. Members want to get something for a low price, but the product is probably worth a considerable amount more than most of the current suggestions. We trust your judgment Bill and we know you're not going to screw us, so name your price man!

yes i agree also. the only thing u can do is really compare with other companies and ask us for our price ha ha. i never even heard of hahn except my wifes last name till we got married lol but everyone i talk to holds this company in high regard. im in aggreeance. just set us a price and we will buy. your more than fair. oh military discount for me too!!!! ha ha ha

I suppose it is a bit of a loaded debate, what with me sitting here with all the answers, but showing only one card at a time ;)

This concept worked well last time with the exhaust GB, but as it's a bit unusual, I suppose it's not a sure-fire thing every time!

OK, please, any opinions on quantity and'or price are still very welcome. I'll go sharpen my pencil, and then put some numbers up here too :cssNET:

Hey Bill, can us HHR guys jump in on this? ;) This looks better than the introductory pricing over there. I promise I won't tell!
Ah, the inevitable crossover voice! Fact is, we are floating this GB idea here, and may go the same way for you HHR folks, thus replacing the 'introductory pricing' concept. I will be fair to all :twothumbs

hmmm then i guess the real question is since u got the answers to the price. isssss how much are we deducting per amount of people reached?

hmmm then i guess the real question is since u got the answers to the price. isssss how much are we deducting per amount of people reached?
Yep! That's still something we have to determine...the tiers/quantities. All ideas are welcome :)

my suggestion is after 10 it should go down by 5's in a reaonable amount. 15 at the most to start goin down

will u do a combo gb also? lol kills 2 birds with one stone. make a buy for each piece and one for the combo itself. that would be a good idea to me? but just an idea.

They are asking 899 for the sky and solstice intercoolers, so somehow i dont think this is gonna be cheap considering they are the same cores... i imagine it will end up being around 600 GB price, although i would still liek to see < 500 but chances are that will not happen:bye:

899 was the reg price of the solstice, and bill did have them on a summer sale for 799 for awhile if i remember.



I vote 550 shipped for the IC !

but the skys and solctice are much more expensive cars lol theyh gotta cut us a lil slack here lol i might end up just getin a nice tune for now to boooost em up some. im really wantin an intake. i know someone who has some intakes for the T/c boasting 19 HP gain with an AEM filter. if yer interested PM me for the info. and i will point u in the right direction

$600 for a GB price sounds pretty good for the IC if you get 20+ people wanting it. $900 would sound even better for the combo. . :)

900 for the combo shipped and I would do it

that sounds like a good deal to me!!!! with a military discount ha ha. i know u would like that one

Ah, the inevitable crossover voice! Fact is, we are floating this GB idea here, and may go the same way for you HHR folks, thus replacing the 'introductory pricing' concept. I will be fair to all :twothumbs

Honestly, I don't think there are enough HHR guys interested in tuning their cars to do a GB over there. They're more concerned with smoothie hubcaps and stick on chrome. That's why I figured I'd ask if I could jump into this one.

Honestly, I don't think there are enough HHR guys interested in tuning their cars to do a GB over there. They're more concerned with smoothie hubcaps and stick on chrome. That's why I figured I'd ask if I could jump into this one.

:lol: That would drive me nuts

I just don't think the price is going to be good enough for me to jump onto this before the other mods that I have planed. If it was going to be a HUGE HUGE deal not just $200 bucks or so I would. I will be happier going with the big power add mods like HPT and stock turbo upgrade. For those that already have tuning and such this is a deal for you. For me i think the stock IC and piping will be fine for a bit on 320hp. BUT I will do it in the future.

RBC,

tuning is def the first thing to get.

but if you plan a turbo upgrade, the IC is a must with that move.

The stocker will just choke that bigger and more efficient turbo.

I think I am going with a stock upgraded with bigger compressor wheel once we see how it will perform. The stock IC will work fine for now.

I think I will jump on that wheel upgrade myself when it comes down the pike

:lol: That would drive me nuts

I just don't think the price is going to be good enough for me to jump onto this before the other mods that I have planed. If it was going to be a HUGE HUGE deal not just $200 bucks or so I would. I will be happier going with the big power add mods like HPT and stock turbo upgrade. For those that already have tuning and such this is a deal for you. For me i think the stock IC and piping will be fine for a bit on 320hp. BUT I will do it in the future.

i agree plus we r going into winter now and i wouldn't prolly even put mine on until spring... thats just too much money to watch just sit

now you just know what to put down on your christmas wish list!!

How bout
IC/Piping 999$ for 1 shipped
IC/Piping 949$ for 2-10 shipped
IC/Piping 899$ for 11-15 shipped
IC/Piping 799$ for 16-20 shipped
IC/Piping 699$ for 21-25 shipped
IC/Piping 599$ for 26+ shipped
45 days
Bill, what color is the piping goin to be, black, polished, colors? that would have an effect on pricing, also is it goin to be extra for the logo, it is advertising lol? Only hting is im affraid we will not be able to get enough people for the 599 or poss the 699 so please pm e an ill add you to list for the prices above. it owuld be nice for us and bill to know how many people are actually interested, sao spread the word and lets fill the list if you guys like it. I would liek ot get at least 20 :cssNET:
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im down!!! i can agree on this most def

Hahn intercoolers are top notch, Thats what i run on my talon and i love it.


By the way bill, You need to venture over to 2gnt.com. I think youd be surprised how many turbo 420a's are popping up all the sudden.... **cough** new parts!!! *cough* *cough* ;)

I could go for a group buy on portfuelers (420a of course)


/thread jack :lol:

Well, considering the market and the competition, I'd price this equipment competitively. Intercooler for $550 shipped. and combo for $875 shipped. I'd like some hp numbers on the intercooler. From what I saw it looked like a 14 whp gain, not to bad, but not that great either! The xky's\solstices are running 27 whp!!! that's what i'm talking about. These need to be shipped out way before Christmas too. Better equipment at the same price as the competiton will garner more buyers for your produtcs.

totally agree. and consider if u price it a lil bit less that yer competition you stand to make more sales cause u wanna save as much as possible on it.

I second that 550 shipped for the IC!

I think I am going with a stock upgraded with bigger compressor wheel once we see how it will perform. The stock IC will work fine for now.
By the way...we have a turbo upgrade of this type in development as I type. It is but one of multiple options we will offer. News soon!

...From what I saw it looked like a 14 whp gain, not to bad, but not that great either! The sky's\solstices are running 27 whp!!! that's what i'm talking about. These need to be shipped out way before Christmas too. Better equipment at the same price as the competiton will garner more buyers for your produtcs.
It's true that the Solstice and Sky will see a larger gain from this intercooler design, for they are suffering from a considerably smaller stock intercooler. But have a close look at our performance testing, keeping in mind that max HP gain is but one measure of an intercooler's performance:

Intercooler Performance Testing (http://www.turbosystem.com/New_Folder/HHR%20Intercooler%20Upgrade.htm)

The stock intercooler's very lightweight tube/fin construction heat soaks very quickly...and it's end tanks flow very poorly.

And, of course, the more you upgrade the car, the more the heat load presented to the stock intercooler will tax its capabilities. LNF is very aggressive about taking out timing and reducing performance from high intake air temperatures.


UPDATE! Pricing and terms are now in the first post. Thanks again to everyone for the input! Feel free to add more commentary...this GB needs your support to fly :cssNET:

Bill thats awesome!!! very fair buy. now we need to get 20 peeps in on this.

I am in with 20!

that sounds like a good deal to me!!!! with a military discount ha ha. i know u would like that one

HOLLA! I second that! Military discount on $900 combo and I'm in! I'm lookin to get an intake and still need an exhaust. I have the $...let talk! lol Talk about a combo!

No offence but what a fucking rip off... The synapse intercooler is 400 shipped!!!! Sure it doesnt have the smoothie end tanks or another 4 inches from side to side, but come on, double the price and then we have to pay shipping?:lol: I guess you guys think that everyone on this website is halfway retarded but your not fooling me, there is no way that intercooler is worth 800$... Have fun with the GB, maybe if it comes down to a competitive price i'll join in, but until then keep living off the saying that there is one born every minute

I can't say yes or no yet, don't know if I'll have the cash for both the piping AND the IC.

count me in on the GB for just the intercooler

Sign Me Up!

Put me on the list

add me. . i'm in on this one for sure. won't get installed this year but can't beat that price if we get enough people.

I am in for the 550 if we get 20 people.

K guys i made a thread for the combo buy
http://www.cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.php?t=139953

$800 + shipping? lol no thanks

heck, i don't see us getting 10 guys around, let alone the 20 needed for the 550 price

we had 10..... i swithced the thread to the GROUP BUY COMBO THREAD i made and told people to post there name...

ya im in if there are 20 peeps

well post on my new thread to the list for now just so we can keep the number of how many

How much bigger is the Hahn from Synapse's intercooler? Same? Thanks

i think hahn's is about 1/2 inch thicker

but it hahn's end tanks that are far superior in design

hahn IC can be used with the factory piping, where synapse can't, you need to buy their piping with their cooler.

I just want the cooler, no piping

i think hahn's is about 1/2 inch thicker

but it hahn's end tanks that are far superior in design

hahn IC can be used with the factory piping, where synapse can't, you need to buy their piping with their cooler.

I just want the cooler, no piping

wrong..both ICs use the same concept for endtanks..except for the Synapse IC you have to do a tiny bit of trimming to your bumper (not visible) to get it to fit where Hahn's endtanks are curved to compensate for the bumper

Synpase: 24x8x3.5 good to 600hp
Hahn: 26x8x4 good to 700hp

we basically need only 10 more people for this buy in.... soo spread the word to the other turbo drivers.

when would payment need to be mad??? cuz im gettin my tc soon, but i gotta order it from the damn factory so I gotta wait some weeks :(

the payment wont need to be in till the end of the month when they are about to ship out. and if u need some time im sure bill will be more than reasonable to help if u exdplain the situation. but i think a small deposit might have to be made toard it

hmm ill check out my funds and get back to this thread, because Im gunna order the balt soon (in white) so i havet o wait 4-8 fuckin weeks :(

hmm ill check out my funds and get back to this thread, because Im gunna order the balt soon (in white) so i havet o wait 4-8 fuckin weeks :(

it'll be well worth the wait. .

Bill, can you update the list for this? also sent you a PM.

Im praying so haha..i love white cars and always have!

hahn endtanks are far better for airflow than synapses, i tt morgan about how he does his endtanks as well as he told me his cooler will not work with stock charge piping, you have to buy both to make it work

synapse has the inlet tube basically hit a wall and have to make a sharp turn

hahn has a nice smooth bend as you can see in his pics.

so they are really nothing alike as far as endtanks or inlet tubes.

I guess my money is on the hahn then, since it seems its designed better and no modifications to the bumper need to be made.

the hahn system is the best to go with. it offers balance and increased performance without having to clear a bunch of engine codes. and the price cant be beat for the quality or price. i trust bill fully. im only sad i missed the hahn exhaust buy. damn army...... lol soo what we only need what 9 people left? guys i made a thread for the combo buy!!!! im trying to help you guys out and organize it. post yer name in my thread so i can make the updated list please!!! :]

I have a question. Does the Hahn Intercooler come with the Hahn emblem in Red or is that just the one for the picture"s? Personally I don't want any lettering on my intercooler.

bill will put the HAHN emblem on the cooler if you want it, if not it will come without it, no charge either way.

i definately want mine sport tint red hahn logo where is big daddy bill at? so we can give him our input

how many guys do we have for the IC ONLY?

I'm just trying to keep my car looking as stock as possible. That's why I don't want the lettering so people don't know what I have upgraded under the hood.

im nto sure we have N E for IC only.. lol

Well I am in for the IC only, So I don't know where that puts me on the list?

I don't feel the piping is worth it with the stock turbo. The majority of the gains will be seen from the cooler and not the piping. I am going to take that extra money and buy an intake or dp, more hp per $ i feel.




I want the HAHN logo but it may set off some alarms at the dealer if I need some service.

updated list of group combo on my thread guys

Put me in for this one to

Well I am in for the IC only, So I don't know where that puts me on the list?

I don't feel the piping is worth it with the stock turbo. The majority of the gains will be seen from the cooler and not the piping. I am going to take that extra money and buy an intake or dp, more hp per $ i feel.




I want the HAHN logo but it may set off some alarms at the dealer if I need some service.

Have you ever seen the stock piping under full boost?? It swells up like a football even at 15psi.

snyapse got like 5 wheel in the very very top rev range when they swapped their piping in, will hardly be even noticed.

5 hp for 350 to 500 dollars?

ummmm not for me

that tells me the stock piping is just fine the way it is. From a car show/popping my hood/ look what I have aspect, then go for it.

the solstice guys swap theirs out becuase they have a much worse piping track than the cobalts do, so for them it might be worth it.

I will spend that $ on an intake that will prob net 15 wheel or so for the same money or even less, so in the long run, Hahn will get that extra money from me anyway, just for a diff part.

My old saying is, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

But the meat and potatoes of the upgrade comes from the cooler.

snyapse got like 5 wheel in the very very top rev range when they swapped their piping in, will hardly be even noticed.

5 hp for 350 to 500 dollars?

ummmm not for me

that tells me the stock piping is just fine the way it is. From a car show/popping my hood/ look what I have aspect, then go for it.

the solstice guys swap theirs out becuase they have a much worse piping track than the cobalts do, so for them it might be worth it.

I will spend that $ on an intake that will prob net 15 wheel or so for the same money or even less, so in the long run, Hahn will get that extra money from me anyway, just for a diff part.

My old saying is, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

But the meat and potatoes of the upgrade comes from the cooler.

I agree with you on the power aspect but I am boosting the full 24psi on mine and I do not trust the plastic piping the flat part over the engine swells up as well as the soft rubber part right by the turbo..I know I will not see hardly any gains from it but for me I would rather be safe then sorry.. I have seen mine in person on the dyno and you would think the pipe would bust, but for some odd reason it doesn't. I also look at the fact that the matal pipe will not expand so that means the air will get forced through the I/C right away instead of the miniscule time that it takes to swell that plastic pipe up. I will also be getting the intake i'm not saying I know more than anyone but the only reason I am getting the piping is to be on the safe side.

snyapse got like 5 wheel in the very very top rev range when they swapped their piping in, will hardly be even noticed.

5 hp for 350 to 500 dollars?

ummmm not for me

that tells me the stock piping is just fine the way it is. From a car show/popping my hood/ look what I have aspect, then go for it.

the solstice guys swap theirs out becuase they have a much worse piping track than the cobalts do, so for them it might be worth it.

I will spend that $ on an intake that will prob net 15 wheel or so for the same money or even less, so in the long run, Hahn will get that extra money from me anyway, just for a diff part.

My old saying is, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

But the meat and potatoes of the upgrade comes from the cooler.


How about Leaks that you get on the stock piping? You have lots.

i might be in for this soon..pickin up my ss/tc next week yayy

jump in now man. we need all we can get!!! put in now. get yer T/c and already haver goodies waiting for it!!!

jump in now man. we need all we can get!!! put in now. get yer T/c and already haver goodies waiting for it!!!

Put me down for the group buy bill.

Damn, I want to get this so bad, but i have to wait later on in November. Even if we reach our goal of 20 will we be able to do more people and get a even better price?

I hope so that would be awesome

Damn, I want to get this so bad, but i have to wait later on in November. Even if we reach our goal of 20 will we be able to do more people and get a even better price?

the GB doesnt end till around the 28th of november. putting yer name in now gives time to gather yer money up

the GB doesnt end till around the 28th of november. putting yer name in now gives time to gather yer money up


Well then: Fortunato Picon (aka Forty)

does the IC fit on the stock piping

Forgive me, but I didn't see this question asked:

W/ custom piping, will this intercooler fit on an 05-07 SS/SC? I don't know if GM moved the Rad/AC from where it was on the 05-07's. If it did fit, this would be a great upgrade for those wanting to go w/ custom setups for the SS/SC...

does the IC fit on the stock piping


the IC fits on stock piping.

how many people are there so far

Thanks everyone!

I wil get the GB list updated and address your questions shortly.

if you buy both are the prices the same or is there some kinda discount and if the people are buying both do they count as buyers for the people that just want IC OR piping

if you buy them both, you get free shipping.

but the prices are the same for either part if you buy them seperate, assuming we get enough guys around.

hoping for 20

they should count as people people that are buying for the ic as well just because i dont want to pay 699

I want the IC also only,

so I assume as many as we have for both we have for either part, right?

thats what id like to know

I would not see why hahn would not honor the price for the cooler if 15 guys want it, but only 12 or so get the piping?

Yes, the pricing is individually set for both Intercooler, and then Piping.

If 15 get IC, and 12 get Piping, then the IC's will go for the 15 price, and the Piping for the 10 price.

And the combo deal: buy both and get free shipping!

I want the IC also only,

so I assume as many as we have for both we have for either part, right?

Correctamundo!

Put me down for an IC, no logo.

I'm in!!! To: Bill, Aaron, at turbosystem>>>put me down on the list for the IC. I leave in mid Dec for several months and would love to get this thing on and try it out before I leave.

No logo. Gotta remain in stealth mode :).

can someone update this list

Everyone please confirm, and anyone new please add your name to the list, so we can keep track of where this is at!

Just checked the post someone made for the combo group buy, so a few more names added to this list! we are at 20 names people!

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Intercooler
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1 - SRodSS007
2 - 08SStc
3 - sherm420
4 - IsItFast?
5 - Premier
6 - glhs379
7 - jwhitten
8 - JUICETURBOSS
9 - 40rty
10 - Kage
11 - SportredSS
12 - steddy2112
13 - SUKXOST
14 - red2001ss
15 - Turbo'dSS
16 - BPark86
==========If 20+ sign up
17 - marcusicp
18 - Black08SSTC
==========maybe/unconfirmed (make up your mind and/or confirm please!)
19 - 04redline0124
20 - grich171

Still in, Piping too.

I'm STILL in for both. what was the pricing for 25? I think after 25 we need to drop it like $5 for each additional purchase if we get that high! 25 x # of items ordered total....sheesh...for ONE GB! I'm in the wrong business :P

u really been busy there it seems

yes im in for both definately. im confirmed as of for now. im waiting till friday to c if im mega conformed

I posted in the piping GB, but if I can do both at the same time I'm in for combo group buy....

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Intercooler GB list
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1 - SRodSS007
2 - 08SStc
3 - sherm420
4 - IsItFast?
5 - Premier
6 - glhs379
7 - jwhitten
8 - JUICETURBOSS
9 - 40rty
10 - Kage
11 - SportredSS
12 - steddy2112
13 - SUKXOST
14 - red2001ss
15 - Turbo'dSS
16 - BPark86
17 - thehov
18 - marcusicp
19 - Black08SSTC
==========maybe/unconfirmed (make up your mind and/or confirm please!)
20 - 04redline0124
21 - grich171

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Intercooler GB list
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1 - SRodSS007
2 - 08SStc
3 - sherm420
4 - IsItFast?
5 - Premier
6 - glhs379
7 - jwhitten
8 - JUICETURBOSS
9 - 40rty
10 - Kage
11 - SportredSS
12 - steddy2112
13 - SUKXOST
14 - red2001ss
15 - Turbo'dSS
16 - BPark86
17 - thehov
18 - marcusicp
19 - Black08SSTC
==========maybe/unconfirmed (make up your mind and/or confirm please!)
20 - 04redline0124
21 - grich171

wow. . i'm glad people jumped on this as quickly as they did. can't wait to get mine!!

now that where over 20 will the price keep going down every 5 people or what

if i buy booth intercooler and pipeing its $900??

if i buy booth intercooler and pipeing its $900??

Yep, and free shipping.

I hate to do this but I had something come up and I will not be able to be a part of this group buy. I have edited the list to reflect the change:

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Intercooler GB list
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1 - SRodSS007
2 - 08SStc
3 - sherm420
4 - IsItFast?
5 - Premier
6 - glhs379
7 - jwhitten
8 - JUICETURBOSS
9 - 40rty
10 - Kage
11 - SportredSS
12 - steddy2112
13 - SUKXOST
14 - red2001ss
15 - Turbo'dSS
16 - BPark86
17 - thehov
18 - Black08SSTC
==========maybe/unconfirmed (make up your mind and/or confirm please!)
19 - 04redline0124
20 - grich171

is thhe intercooler going to have the hahn logo on it like on their website?
1 - SRodSS007
2 - 08SStc
3 - sherm420
4 - IsItFast?
5 - Premier
6 - glhs379
7 - jwhitten
8 - JUICETURBOSS
9 - 40rty
10 - Kage
11 - SportredSS
12 - steddy2112
13 - SUKXOST
14 - red2001ss
15 - Turbo'dSS
16 - BPark86
17 - thehov
18 - Black08SSTC
19 - supermantxz24
==========maybe/unconfirmed (make up your mind and/or confirm please!)
20 - 04redline0124
21 - grich171

you can request to either have it. . or not have it. black or red if you want it.

1 - SRodSS007
2 - 08SStc
3 - sherm420
4 - IsItFast?
5 - Premier
6 - glhs379
7 - jwhitten
8 - JUICETURBOSS
9 - 40rty
10 - Kage
11 - SportredSS
12 - steddy2112
13 - SUKXOST
14 - red2001ss
15 - Turbo'dSS
16 - BPark86
17 - thehov
18 - Black08SSTC
19 - supermantxz24
==========maybe/unconfirmed (make up your mind and/or confirm please!)
20 - grich171

unfortunately 04redline is going to the dark side of A/RWD with an evo 9 ;). Updated the list.

soo how much does this cost then???

$625 right now.. . we need one more to get down to $550.

There has to be one more person out there that wants this - $550 is a STEAL for this!

we got some time yet, we will pick up one more guy

if my wife doesnt get her bonus ill be fucked on this.. my paycheck next week is so fucking low....

1 - SRodSS007
2 - 08SStc
3 - sherm420
4 - IsItFast?
5 - Premier
6 - glhs379
7 - jwhitten
8 - JUICETURBOSS
9 - 40rty
10 - Kage
11 - SportredSS
12 - steddy2112
13 - SUKXOST
14 - red2001ss
15 - Turbo'dSS
16 - BPark86
17 - thehov
18 - Black08SSTC
19 - supermantxz24
==========maybe/unconfirmed (make up your mind and/or confirm please!)
20 - grich171

unfortunately 04redline is going to the dark side of A/RWD with an evo 9 ;). Updated the list.

I don't want the intercooler.

I don't want the intercooler.

Ok, fixed.

1 - SRodSS007
2 - 08SStc
3 - sherm420
4 - IsItFast?
5 - Premier
6 - glhs379
7 - jwhitten
8 - JUICETURBOSS
9 - 40rty
10 - Kage
11 - SportredSS
12 - SUKXOST
13 - red2001ss
14 - Turbo'dSS
15 - BPark86
16 - thehov
17 - Black08SSTC
18 - supermantxz24
==========maybe/unconfirmed (make up your mind and/or confirm please!)
19 - grich171

the economy is killing this GP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The wife just saw this and started bitchin at me cause we have the new baby damn, I'm sorry guys. I really do w
ant to do this bad.


1 - SRodSS007
2 - 08SStc
3 - sherm420
4 - IsItFast?
5 - Premier
6 - glhs379
7 - jwhitten
8 - JUICETURBOSS
9 - Kage
10 - SportredSS
11 - SUKXOST
12 - red2001ss
13 - Turbo'dSS
14 - BPark86
15 - thehov
16 - Black08SSTC
17 - supermantxz24
==========maybe/unconfirmed (make up your mind and/or confirm please!)
18 - grich171

I hereby ask that Bill (HAHN) take a partial and non-refundable payment of like $100 or so on these names for each GB thread. Several people have backed out and it's started to rub me the wrong way. Come on guys! Bill is tracking names and counting on these orders once your name is on the "confirmed list". Using your girlfriend or the economy or your paycheck...or the GB cutoff date being too soon as excuses and taking ur name off and/or not being completely committed is bad business. I'm not trying to flame certain people but if we want to continue a good rapport and business relationship with vendors that are treating the CSS.NET buys well....let's not be THAT GUY who ruins things for all parties involved. Anyone else recommend that HAHN take partial payments NOW for orders? If nothing else that would thin or thicken the herd and HAHN could actually give confirmed #'s to date on how many orders per thread we have based on purchase orders/partial payments. $100 is only a fraction of either just buying one item or both so it won't matter if we only get 14 or 35 people for a specific GB. Either way you'll have to pay the $100. Thoughts???

i understand that people have things that come up all of a sudden. . .but this is a group buy not a wish list. please please please, only put down your name if you're serious. Thanks!

(i'd be in for the $100 deposit)

I never backed out.

My name was put on a list.

Actually pissed me off quite a bit...and if you can't handle people backing out of a group buy, then just pay the price of it, and not worry about it.

I never backed out.

My name was put on a list.

Actually pissed me off quite a bit...and if you can't handle people backing out of a group buy, then just pay the price of it, and not worry about it.

Yeah I saw that with yours....understood. Makin a point though. It's all good.

Still offically need 3 more for the best deal. I'm committed and could pay all right now if need be, but I'd prefer it be for 20+ on both for the GB price.

i am banking on 20+ also

That is messed up though i seen like three people already back out! That sounds fair to me $100.

I've terminated my membership so before the damn moderaters get me off of this site, I'll do a $100 depos.

I've terminated my membership so before the damn moderaters get me off of this site, I'll do a $100 depos.

That is funny you say your car is a piece of shit but you still want to buy parts for it?

Hello all!

I've updated the original post to reflect the list.

I'd like to thank the members who compiled the list...very thoughtful of you! :cssNET:

I agree that some 'good faith' measure like a deposit will be effective in keeping the list orderly and accurate. I'm confident that with this many players already, we'll have no problem retaining a solid 20 by the end of the GB.

Inevitably, some folks may still need to back out, and I want to express that I understand...these are tough times, and we're all faced with challenges. But if you are looking at this, please don't be hesitant to join. Stuff happens, and I understand. Anyone who's reasonably positive they want this intercooler can join this GB, and if you are either unable to send a deposit now, or have to get out later, I have no problem with that.

That being said, I do wish to reward the VERY willing, and here's what I propose:

I'll start a new 'solid' list of those who commit with a deposit. Those who do not, we'll keep in a second 'tentative' list. As deposits are received, I will move folks from Tentative to Solid. As an incentive to get Tentative folks to commit with deposit, I will cap the group buy at 20 units: if you don't commit, you may get bumped out of the 20 group.

Should demand take us well past 20, we can revamp this as needed.

I'll leave a day for commentary, and if we agree this will work, I'll post up instructions on Tuesday the 11th (tomorrow) for ordering and sending deposits.

i'd say that sounds fair enough.

Perfect! Well thought out Bill. Let me be the first to commit to the Solid list and await deposit instructions. :)

ill commit to solid for both intercooler and piping, awaiting further instructions bill.

That sounds fair put me on the list for both and i will wait for further instructions on the deposit.

I'll also scan the thread for any as-yet-unanswered questions, and address them Tuesday too.

I'll also scan the thread for any as-yet-unanswered questions, and address them Tuesday too.
Is there going to be a group buy on the downpipe as well bill?

I second that! :P

Is there going to be a group buy on the downpipe as well bill?

eeek, if so give me some time!! haha.

UPDATE:

See the first post for ordering information. Thanks!

so if we fill out this order form and submit 100 dollars for the 550 price, and we end up with less than 20 guys for the IC, which is how it looks now,

then the price goes up, I assume, as in the first post?

And we won't know this til the 28th of this month on just how many guys or how much the IC will ultimately be?

So with the form, submitted for Both IC and piping, on the same order page of course. Is only $100 gonna be used for both or will there be $200?

So with the form, submitted for Both IC and piping, on the same order page of course. Is only $100 gonna be used for both or will there be $200?

thats what i would like to know....also can i just go ahead and pay the full amount that way i dont spend it on useless crap lol.

Im Down To Buy The Intercooler/piping:)..but I Ordered My 3" Exhaust Last Week Yet You Guys Still Haven't Tooken Out The Money From My Account:thumbsdow...hope U Guys Dont Disappoint Me:lol:;)

placed an order for the IC/Piping combo today. looking forward to the 28th to finalize!!!

If we prepay for the full IC $550 amount,

can we lock in that price no matter how many guys we get?

Sent in my order! Cant wait :)

Im Down To Buy The Intercooler/piping:)..but I Ordered My 3" Exhaust Last Week Yet You Guys Still Haven't Tooken Out The Money From My Account:thumbsdow...hope U Guys Dont Disappoint Me:lol:;)

Dont worry, they wont. If you have any problems, just call - they are very friendly. (and you will love the exhaust - I felt bad putting it under my car, it was a work of art.)

so if we fill out this order form and submit 100 dollars for the 550 price, and we end up with less than 20 guys for the IC, which is how it looks now,

then the price goes up, I assume, as in the first post?

And we won't know this til the 28th of this month on just how many guys or how much the IC will ultimately be?

All quite true...final price will be determined by number of players, and the GB remains open until the 28th.

As that's still over two weeks away, I am optimistic we'll see 20. :twothumbs

Frankly, I'd be amazed if we didn't hit 20!

So with the form, submitted for Both IC and piping, on the same order page of course. Is only $100 gonna be used for both or will there be $200?
We are not requesting a deposit on the piping orders, for that list seems to be rather stable (less people going 'in and out'). We're confident that the piping group will pull through to the end.

So $100 is being asked only as a deposit from those who are getting on the Intercooler bus!

thats what i would like to know....also can i just go ahead and pay the full amount that way i dont spend it on useless crap lol.
If you'd like to prepay in full, we'll be happy to help you avoid useless crap! Just let us know when you place your order.

*crossing fingers for 20 peeps for the IC*

Im Down To Buy The Intercooler/piping:)..but I Ordered My 3" Exhaust Last Week Yet You Guys Still Haven't Tooken Out The Money From My Account:thumbsdow...hope U Guys Dont Disappoint Me:lol:;)
Hi there! Glad you chimed in...I checked with our Shipping Dept. for you, and they've been unable to contact you via telephone to update you on order status. Please PM me with an email address and we'll get you talking with them via email instead.

I'll also add you to the list for the intercooler and piping. Thanks for joining in!

If we prepay for the full IC $550 amount,

can we lock in that price no matter how many guys we get?
I'm afraid not...the essential function of a group buy is rewarding quantity with a price break. We can only afford to offer these at this price if we make them in large groups.

*crossing fingers for 20 peeps for the IC*
19 so far, with two weeks to go...So far, so good!

You can add me to Solid list... I will be getting my order emailed in tommrow or over the weekend.

The only real hold back is getting a good picutre of the color of my car, for the color matching on the pipeing.

Take me off the list please....

I'm gone by the 25th of Nov to Feb 09' nd can not be waiting and waiting for this intercooler to materialize........plus, a few extra hp over anyone elses intercooler is not going to make that much of a difference. I'm ording elseware because I need my unit asap... Thx Bill though for all the helpful info and such. I have all the $$ now and need this in the next 10 days ...Sorry Bill...Guys.

Take me off the list please....

I'm gone by the 25th of Nov to Feb 09' nd can not be waiting and waiting for this intercooler to materialize........plus, a few extra hp over anyone elses intercooler is not going to make that much of a difference. I'm ording elseware because I need my unit asap... Thx Bill though for all the helpful info and such. I have all the $$ now and need this in the next 10 days ...Sorry Bill...Guys.
Hang in there...we can take care of you immediately! Check PM

You can add me to Solid list... I will be getting my order emailed in tommrow or over the weekend.

The only real hold back is getting a good picutre of the color of my car, for the color matching on the pipeing.
Thanks!

You may be able to send us a link to the GM site showing the color.

I am in a similar boat, I was going to wait till next spring to get the IC, as my car will be layed up for the winter in about 3 days anyway(off insurance), as the long range forcast shows snow here soon!

But at 550 I can't pass it up, but at any higher price than that I may just wait it out til next year and see what else is developed for the car, turbo upgrades kits, etc,

plus christmas is right around the corner and moneywill be needed elsewhere.

I hate to buy something that will sit next to my car til next april!

But the 550 is the tractor beam that is pulling me in

Just emailed my orderform, Ready for the solid list for both IC and piping.

Where's the price list... It's not in here and a search turns up nothing.

Where's the price list... It's not in here and a search turns up nothing.

The first post of the first page... Or were you talking about the full price list with everything else Hahn sells?

we need to get some more people on this list!

I'm going to PM them right now to put me on the list. How hard is it to install one of these?

Yeah WHAT HE SAID! LOL

got to take the front clip of the car off to install the IC

I think the pipes can go on without removing it however, if you don't get the IC

Its so tempting and if I sold my T-Type I would be all over this. But I have to buy 4 new tires because of the snow we get here so there goes my intercooler.

Come on people we need to get some more people on the solid list.

Come on people we need to get some more people on the solid list.

No kidding.. we had 20 people that said they were going to do this, and now we only have SIX? WTF.

i ordered last week it just isnt updated

nice

fuck it im in on solid but i pm'd hahn about a week ago and got nothing back so......

fuck it im in on solid but i pm'd hahn about a week ago and got nothing back so......

I am sure they are really busy . I bet he will update the list this soon.

im sure

we'll be lucky to get 15 it looks like.

this GP was on way too long.

we should have pulled the trigger when we had the 20 list back a few weeks.

^^ that was part of the prob right there....now it seems like even hahn doesnt care anymore

Only 3 days to go. Hope we get what we need.

Bump for updated list.

I'm going to PM them right now to put me on the list. How hard is it to install one of these?
Thanks for the order!

It's not bad at all. The front clip of the car removes easily. Takes an hour or two.

I am sure they are really busy . I bet he will update the list this soon.
Kind of...I was actually in Europe last week, and am catching up now.

Only 3 days to go. Hope we get what we need.
Yes, I encourage all the Tentative folks to get their orders in!

I'm In!

i am in for 20 guys and 550


otherwise I am waiting till next spring, as my pig is parked

I am figuring by then, other parts should be out, and you never know what will be available

I really hope we get the 20

yeah and when Anna Kournakova shows up at my door to fuck me ......I'll tell her when she gets a better tennis game down I'll consider it. Fuckin dumb! Shit or get off the pot :P

i am in for 20 guys and 550


otherwise I am waiting till next spring, as my pig is parked

I am figuring by then, other parts should be out, and you never know what will be available

Well then send in your deposit smart ass!

i'm not sending in 100 bucks, and then we get 12 guys

not happening

i will see how many we have friday

and it will not be 20

but I will keep my fingers crossed

i'm not sending in 100 bucks, and then we get 12 guys

not happening

i will see how many we have friday

and it will not be 20

but I will keep my fingers crossed

You are the reason we do not have 20 people. Because people like you think oh yeah ill just jump in at the last second if there is 20 people.

i'm not sending in 100 bucks, and then we get 12 guys

not happening

i will see how many we have friday

and it will not be 20

but I will keep my fingers crossed
I'd like to add that the deposits are refundable. If that's an impediment to folks joining, please don't be afraid to show us you are serious...get that order and deposit in! This GB WILL get 20 buyers...I have yet to break out the big guns in terms of publicizing it, but I will if needed!

thats really relieving to hear, cuz i cant drop 700 bones right now. I can barely afford 550

i said from day one is was in for 550


so no i am not the reason we are not at 20 guys, the reason is we had the gp on too long


we had 20 guys three weeks ago or so, and now we don't

i said from day one is was in for 550


so no i am not the reason we are not at 20 guys, the reason is we had the gp on too long


we had 20 guys three weeks ago or so, and now we don't


I guess you guys didn't read what Bill just wrote. We WILL reach 20. Too many people are waiting for numbers instead of sending their deposits in now. Just send them in, and if you don't like the final number, the deposits are REFUNDABLE.

Don't forget that list hasn't been updated in a few days either..

Last day, lets get these in

so if you send in the 100 bucks, when is the full amount then needed?

since today is the last day, will full payments be taken today or just the 100 bucks?

when do we anticipate these units will be shipping out?

so if you send in the 100 bucks, when is the full amount then needed?

since today is the last day, will full payments be taken today or just the 100 bucks?

when do we anticipate these units will be shipping out?
We'll take your deposit now, and the remainder will be charged when we ship. We will begin to build the units once the GB is complete with 20 people, and we'll ship in the order of order placement.

We'll take your deposit now, and the remainder will be charged when we ship. We will begin to build the units once the GB is complete with 20 people, and we'll ship in the order of order placement.

this has been going on so long ive forgoten what this buy is for...are we getting just the charge piping or the ic as well..

also since i already have a tune if i get new ic piping do i have to retune for it? or is better for me to get the piping and the ic and retune?

let me know, im at home right now bored and i want to do something so i can come down today and see what you guys have.