Well this will soon be my new project after seeing the NOPI cars running 9's with no wheelie bar and full interior.

I was just wondering where do I start researching what should I be looking at for parts as in suspension and go fast parts, also what engine is the best base for 1200hp should I be looking at the 2.4l ecotec or the 2.0l supercharged.I think obviously we will go turbo so i dont know whether to start with the regular ss or the supercharged SS, any information is welcome.

By the way I'm in the Dominican Republic right now, where the car will be racing though I just moved to Florida.

Also this is my first post

 

umm you got a lot of work ahead of you, but good luck... Do a google search on the Gm ecotec build book... they explain how to build pretty much any power level you are looking for.

 

wow! GL! That will me sweet! I don't know, you are going to be upgrading so much I would say start with a 2.4 or base 2.2 and use the extra money that you would spend on a SS/SC on the project.

 

Go to http://www.gm.com/company/gmtunersource/html/home.htm SCROLL DOWN! Bottom left hand corner, SPORT COMPACT BUILD BOOK! YOU HAVE TO USE THE 2.2 AND DROP SOME SERIOUS $$$... BUT IT EXPLAINS HOW TO UPGRADE THE ENGINE TO ANY POWER LEVEL YOU WANT.

 

Yea I know its not as easy as I made it sound, this will definately take a good 2-3 months and without a sponsor itll be hell but we really want to have the first 9 second FWD in the country though I know our 25x8-13 tires will be a huge limitation. Also I already downloaded the book I still am not clear as to what block the 1000-1400would be better off with, wether ist the 2.0 or the 2.4

 

As before mentioned, the 2.2 would be the best choice. First of all, its the cheapest if you just buy a case coupe. Second of all, the current ecotec drag cars all use the 2.2 ecotec so there is many parts availible through the GM build book. With that said, go with the 2.2!! And be sure to keep us updated on how the project is coming!

 

Great to know you guys are supportive, best thing is that if I build a 1200 Ecotec this car can invade another category with bigger tires and a wheelie bar at high boost and do 8's. What I have noticed though is not much mention regarding suspension components or good builders.

 

There really isn't anything out there for suspension as of yet.

For builder, J-Body Performance is currently building up a SS S/C that should be pretty sick. They are in Canada though.

 

Also Ihave noticed the Phase5's put out 535 and can run 11's all day, does this mean that with 800-1000 hp you can reach 9's or whats the deal because it seems like a lot of hp for such small tires. Alo I saw mention of 600-1000 hp requiring methanol, is this a necessity? we are limited to C16

 

You are highly mis-concieved about the engine. A 1200 HP Ecotec engine is NOT a 9 second, or NOPI car. A 1200 HP Ecotec is a highly modified, full drag only engine. It's only makes that kind of power for about 10 seconds, it uses methanol, it has a liquid-to-air intercooler, won't even fit in a stock chassis, and they replace the engine after each season, if not more.

There is a group out there that has built the 600 HP build book car using the 4t65e trans.

https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/show...highlight=fast

That is a real 9 second car. They used an L61 engine (2.2), and the 4t65 racing trans.

The build book tends to lead people in all different directions. The first half is kind of an instruction manual while the second half is really just to give you ideas.

 

Sorry i guess I was misinformed by Brian's Cobalt according to one of the post's he was at 1200hp

http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1566808

Thanks for the link.

EDIT: that is Brians car I guess I shouldt listen to what some people post, huh.

 

There are a lot FWD drive cars in the 9s, a few in the 8s I believe. Was that a typo??

 

No, it's just the car wont be racing in the USA, but in the Dominican Republic.

 

Does the Dominican have a IHRA or NHRA sanctioned track?? I know Puerto Rico does and they have some 9sec FWD.

 

No we do not, itsjust some local action and we have hosted 9 second cars from Puerto Rico including a Hyundai that did 9's

 

Ahhh, gotcha. Sounds good, good luck.

 

Basically right now im making a list of parts but I dont know, it seems I cant find anything on suspension ANYWHERE, and I know these people arent running stock cobalt suspensions.

 

Since all you need is a box car with good suspension, I'd go with the LS model. Take the motor out. Install new sleeves, forged pistons of your choice (I prefer Wiseco, they make more power than off the shelf forged pistons), Crower or better rods designed for turbo(H-Beams), oh and make sure the piston has a thick crown and matching rings for heavy duty performance and a good seal. (And also make sure they are (9:1CR) Make sure your rods have 3/8 or 7/16 rod bolts. Leave the crank at the same stroke. Bore the motor out as much as possible without risking damage when under high boost. Use a Full Race Spec GT40R turbo. Try to have FULL RACE fab a turbo manifold for you as well. Use 3 inch intercooler piping. 42mm wastegate, BOV, etc. Also fab a 3in exhaust ALL THE WAY BACK w/ a 3 1/2inch downpipe. Make sure the intercooler flows atleast 900CFM, thats enough for about 600-700hp. Port the head, doesn't have to be the best port job, just a good one. Something that opens atleast another 50-75CFM to the engine. While your at it, install larger valves, and make sure the valve ports are "deshrouded" so you can effectively use 1mm larger valves. Install stronger valve springs and ti retainers. Use a stock ported intake manifold with velocity stacks I suppose. Don't bother with a bigger throttle body, makes no difference in forced induction vehicles since the manifold is already boosted with X amount of psi. Get a SUPER STRONG clutch, the stoutest you can find. Twin disk clutches work well w/ forced induction. Get driveshaft shop to install some 600+hp axles. Get 13X9 inch wheels. Install the tallest, fatest slicks you can fit under the wheel well. Install coilovers with 12k springs in the front and 14k springs in the rear. (This will be uncomfortable to drive but streetable.) Get traction bars, anti-sway bars, tower bars, etc. Get a roll cage. Get a racing seat w/ 5 point harness. Install a short-shifter and a performance master-cylinder for quick shifts. (Again, will be uncomfortable on the street but doable.) Get 1000CC injectors, a new intank fuel pump, unless your fuel pump can handle that power, however I doubt it can. Buy whatever tuning program your supposed to use and go to a dyno. Oh yeah, don't forget about new engine mounts with poly inserts. This setup would cost you about $15000 to do it right. However, you'll have way beyond 600whp if you boost to 25psi which should be possible with lower timing and 93 octane. Race gas = 35psi = a scary ass ride. Probably somewhere around 800whp. Which is about the peak that turbo can make. Might I add that the Full Race spec Turbo can spool incredibly fast considering how ENORMOUS it is. You wouldn't need more than 600whp to have a 10 sec car, and after practice, you should be able to get really, really close to 9's if you can hook the car up.

As long as you have the money and are serious...I should say Importbuilders.com can do the engine setup for you. Jeff knows more about making power than anyone I've ever seen. He'll make the power and he can make that motor last longer than you'd ever expect.

 

the 2.2 would be the easiest once tuning is avialable, right now though i would go with the 2.4 since tuning is available for it and from what the solstice has done with it it seems very strong and the extra displacement is always good

 

most drag engines don't perform well with VVT systems. there is a decent amount of drag on the engine at that point, and the powerband is usually narrow enough that it's not making more power than it's robbing. just bore and stroke the 2.2 over if thats what you want.

now, if he wanted 300hp, i'd agree with you 100%

 

LMAO..... if u have like $30-$45k then go for it... i hope everything goes well.....lol