That's right folks, the 2005-2007 Chevy Cobalt 2.2L L61 cars with the E16 ECM is FINALLY going to be getting some tuning! SCT was contracted by Garrett to create a packaged flash tune for their upcoming turbo kit release in the first quarter of 2007. As a result, SCT will also be able to incorporate the ECM hack into their regular custom tuning software called "Advantage 3.0".

http://www.sctflash.com/

Advantage work exactly like HP Tuners does. But they have one additional option that is pretty cool. Once a shop gets a custom tune made for your vehicle, they don't just flash your car and send you on your way. They upload the tune into their device called the LiveWire. It can store up to 3 different tunes, so say a stock tune, your boosted road tune, and your race tune. Then you can switch between those tunes, on the fly, in your car, whenever you want! On top of that, the LiveWire is an OBD2 device with analog inputs, datalogging, and real time data display! It's just too damn cool.

Now I haven't confirmed yet, but I believe you can buy the Advantage software package for yourself as well, just like you could buy the full the HP Tuner software package. Then you can do your own tuning outside of the shop whenever you wanted.

Halleluiah!

Hallelujah

LOL, sorry

But that is AWESOME news!

That sounds like good news to everyone.

sct will probably have a flip chip to swtich between octanes, i wish we had that.
sct does that for the stangs.

Hallelujah

LOL, sorry

But that is AWESOME news!
You know what? I even spell checked that word with Microsoft Word before posting it, and that was how it told me to spell it. I just checked again.

Then I went to my 1967 Websters unabridged 5 inch thick dictionary and it has the "J".

lol nice im glad to see finally somebody is working on the 2.2 guys

:nuts:

I cant wait, I'll buy a laptop just for this application :D

I really, REALLY...no wait, REALLY like the 3 tune feature!

I jsut want a laptop interface like HPT

can we get some pricing info, Half?

YEEEEAAAAAH!!!!:cssNET:

:guns:

nice, im glad to hear tuning will be available now and bad ass tuning at that.

I really hope that they come out with something for the 2.4 I loved using SCT on my old car.........sigh


But concrats for the 2.2 guys:cssNET:

That's awsome. Congrats 2.2 guys.

I'm very happy for you guys. It's moding time. :guns:

Well i hope HPT is happy, that they are going to loose practically the whole 2.2 market. oh well yeah for tuning!!

LJ :guns: :nuts:

Now I haven't confirmed yet, but I believe you can buy the Advantage software package for yourself as well, just like you could buy the full the HP Tuner software package. Then you can do your own tuning outside of the shop whenever you wanted.

This is great news Halfcent! However, it looks to me like the actual tuning software is only available to their "dealers" and not to inidividuals. I really hope they release it for customer use!

:cssNET: Woohoo for 2.2! :cssNET:

Edit: If this turns out to be true, only dealers, I'll definitely be looking into becoming one, depending on cost.

This is Great now I dont have to trade my LT in Woohoo :twothumbs

ive alredy got 2-3 laptops sitting here so im set as far as in car interface//// i might sell off the other 2 i dont use rlly cheap

Good shit guys.... lucky too sct is awesome.... I'll be trading up to one of their 4 bank chips in my LSC.. ( I have a diable one for now got it really cheap)

Now every bodys going to have to watch out for the base models and LT's two.

Base model+16 psi= one bad ass sleeper.

bumpz0rs....any news? please say yes...

Sounds pretty cool

Now every bodys going to have to watch out for the base models and LT's two.

Base model+16 psi= one bad ass sleeper.

There is more to it than air pressure...

There is more to it than air pressure...


Yes I know cfm comes into play.

wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo hooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

i cant wait i really am sick of getting picked on by dudes in srt-4's, turbos civic, ... alll the other cars that know they are faster and love to rub it in ur face... god would that thow them off to get owned by a ls or and lt.. when this all comes out im going to d badge my car or atleast the ls part that is

as far as the incar shit goes ill just use my laptop... from what i gather it doesnt always have to be plugged in

Yes I know cfm comes into play.

Si senior

hell yeah, i love the idea of being able to mod a new car the right way and keep everything safe

If anyone is in the Chicagoland (northren IL) or Southren Wis area, I have experience tuning with SCT. Id be more then willing to give a hand/experience if anyone needs some help.

The flip switch can hold 3 tunes, normally for octane/race purposes!

anyone in LA capable of tunin for me? :)

I am currently getting information from SCT. I will post the entire email conversation when I get all the information.

Just about the same time I don't care about it anymore, hello -- tuning. Neat.

the sct kit is the kit that garrett is going to recomend for there turbo!!!! WOOT!!!:twothumbs

Any Idea On Price??????

I jsut want a laptop interface like HPT

can we get some pricing info, Half?

From what I know about SCT (which is not a lot) is they don't have an interface like HPT where you can make changes to the 'tunes'/calibrations. You just get 3 calibrations on the flasher, and that's it.

yes now i can put the super charger on my 2.2 . and able to tune it.. i have a question haftcent i have 2 cobalts LS and a LT so i could tune both cars right one super charged and the other turbo charged. and would only have to buy the one tuning from SCT and just switch the laptop over right ?? so 3 tunes would work like this for me 1 for S/C and 1 for turbo and 1 for race track so i would have to pick 1 or the other for the last tune is this right??

No, not quite.

We are still wondering if the full authority tuning software "Advantage" is available to retail sale. We don't think it is, but we don't know.

As it is right now, you go to a tuner that is an SCT authorized shop, have them make a tune or tunes for ONE car using "Advantage", and that gets loaded into the LiveWire device which you buy and take home.

You would probably not be able to use it on multiple cars due to VIN coding. And since they are different setups, wouldn't want to use it either.

No, not quite.

We are still wondering if the full authority tuning software "Advantage" is available to retail sale. We don't think it is, but we don't know.

As it is right now, you go to a tuner that is an SCT authorized shop, have them make a tune or tunes for ONE car using "Advantage", and that gets loaded into the LiveWire device which you buy and take home.

You would probably not be able to use it on multiple cars due to VIN coding. And since they are different setups, wouldn't want to use it either.

I'm starting to get Disappointed

well i can still use it on one car at least.

i'd like to turbo my car, eventually, will i HAVE TO swap out my internals or will i be ok w/ the factory internals? if i lower my compression i'll get more out of the turbo right?

Stock Internals you shouldnt push anything more than 10 psi.
You can keep your compression the same just get pistons dished for FI

dont necessarily go on that 10psi for stock internals bit...

10psi on a super 60 is different then 10psi on a gt28rs. halfcent would know more but i think around 250hp is when the stress becomes to much.

lol no problem. we are here to share knowledge!!!

mmmm.... turbooooooo and tuning.....

I want all motor and maybe some spray

TORQUE FTW

A stock engine will be perfectly fine with a retail turbo kit. No modifications required.

250HP is a good limit for a reliable engine.
300HP has been achieved on a stock engine, but it doesn't last long.

Most retail kits will give you between 200 and 250.

i have set a goal of 300whp when my cobalt is all done, i know i'll eventually have to swap internals. but i was thinking once i get the 250 mark i'll swap them out. i just want to know should that be 250 at the crank or at the wheels?

i have set a goal of 300whp when my cobalt is all done, i know i'll eventually have to swap internals. but i was thinking once i get the 250 mark i'll swap them out. i just want to know should that be 250 at the crank or at the wheels?

taht better be to the wheels, 250 to the crank is not that impressive if your already swapping internals at that point

I want all motor and maybe some spray

TORQUE FTW

Exactly where i'm going

I want all motor and maybe some spray

TORQUE FTW

I'm sorry but I don't get it...

What do you mean "torque for the win?"

I'm sorry but I don't get it...

What do you mean "torque for the win?"

im with you....:confused:

im with you....:confused:

Atleast I'm not alone in this one lol

Exactly where i'm going

ya me to. im plan on doing my cams and other supporting internals to make the cobalt good and my hopes is a 200whp car. though i may or prolly not be able to achieve. i got an exhaust and plans are

-gmpp performance exhaust (done) is 8whp
-injen intake is 7whp
-gmpp honed manifold is hopefuly 5whp
-(some sorta downpipe that will be best for what i got) another 5whp hopefully
-stage 3 cams is 20whp
-injectors idk what gains

and anything else that is recomended to hit that number or come close.
without nitrous

ya me to. im plan on doing my cams and other supporting internals to make the cobalt good and my hopes is a 200whp car. though i may or prolly not be able to achieve. i got an exhaust and plans are

-gmpp performance exhaust (done) is 8whp
-injen intake is 7whp
-gmpp honed manifold is hopefuly 5whp
-(some sorta downpipe that will be best for what i got) another 5whp hopefully
-stage 3 cams is 20whp
-injectors idk what gains

and anything else that is recomended to hit that number or come close.
without nitrous

Raise your compression ratio

Raise your compression ratio

what would that do? gains?

ya me to. im plan on doing my cams and other supporting internals to make the cobalt good and my hopes is a 200whp car. though i may or prolly not be able to achieve. i got an exhaust and plans are

-gmpp performance exhaust (done) is 8whp
-injen intake is 7whp
-gmpp honed manifold is hopefuly 5whp
-(some sorta downpipe that will be best for what i got) another 5whp hopefully
-stage 3 cams is 20whp
-injectors idk what gains

and anything else that is recomended to hit that number or come close.
without nitrous

I'm sorry but it so does not work like that.

Every modification can work with or work against what you just changed. You don't necessarily add power on top of power.

Also, if this is your complete list, there is no way in hell you're reaching 20 whp with just camshafts and no fuel management. I'm sorry it's just not happening. Even if you did have fuel management, I'd still question it happening.

The injectors, the only reason you would need to upgrade them is if you're running close to the limit of the injectors (typically, higher than 80% duty cycle, you might want to change them). When it comes to bigger fuel injectors, you need to worry about how you're going to keep control of how much fuel you're spraying in all driving situations. This is another reason why you need fuel management.

Just remember that you can modify your vehicle and you could produce LESS power than you did before hand. It's all in how you are modifying your vehicle. There is alot more at hand than just buying parts, installing them and crossing your fingers for more power.

I'm in no way trying to bash you but just give you a better understand that this is the wrong state of mind that you're in. There isn't even a way for someone to say that you will even gain 5 whp with a certain modification even if someone else has done the same thing on their vehicle, every engine is different, every setup is different and you'll never replicate the same achievements. It's just way too many factors.

Awesome news fro you guys . Now... will one of you 2.2 guys show the 2.4 guys how to Turbo one of these things , they wont do it :lol:

Thats a joke , so lets not have any irrate 2.4 guys :cssNET:

I'm sorry but it so does not work like that.

Every modification can work with or work against what you just changed. You don't necessarily add power on top of power.

Also, if this is your complete list, there is no way in hell you're reaching 20 whp with just camshafts and no fuel management. I'm sorry it's just not happening. Even if you did have fuel management, I'd still question it happening.

The injectors, the only reason you would need to upgrade them is if you're running close to the limit of the injectors (typically, higher than 80% duty cycle, you might want to change them). When it comes to bigger fuel injectors, you need to worry about how you're going to keep control of how much fuel you're spraying in all driving situations. This is another reason why you need fuel management.

Just remember that you can modify your vehicle and you could produce LESS power than you did before hand. It's all in how you are modifying your vehicle. There is alot more at hand than just buying parts, installing them and crossing your fingers for more power.

I'm in no way trying to bash you but just give you a better understand that this is the wrong state of mind that you're in. There isn't even a way for someone to say that you will even gain 5 whp with a certain modification even if someone else has done the same thing on their vehicle, every engine is different, every setup is different and you'll never replicate the same achievements. It's just way too many factors.

thanks for the insight. ive always figured some bolt ons are good for some hp. and ive always thought new cams with a tune can get around 20whp.

but forget what i said then. im curious. what do you recomend would produce close to 200 whp? i mean without turbo, sc, or nitrious. so please give a list. so i get some idea on what i need to focus on to save up and buy later on. :cssNET:

thanks for the insight. ive always figured some bolt ons are good for some hp. and ive always thought new cams with a tune can get around 20whp.

but forget what i said then. im curious. what do you recomend would produce close to 200 whp? i mean without turbo, sc, or nitrious. so please give a list. so i get some idea on what i need to focus on to save up and buy later on. :cssNET:

It's no problem and I'm glad you didn't take it as an attack but more of just giving you some insight.

I would say the only way for you to reach 200 Wheel Horsepower (first of all you'd be producing more than 200 crank), you'd have to have work that engine from top to bottom to be honest. The problem with making an high HP 4 cylinder engine naturally aspirated is that you're only drawing so much air into your combustion chamber. The reason people turn to the boost route is because they are basically shoving compressed (or high pressurized air) into the combustion chamber. Highly pressurized air is also denser which means that you have more air molecules present than you would with air that is below atmospheric pressure. This means you can supply more fuel to cause a bigger ignition and create more power. Air is a key part of the equation to making power. If you can't draw enough air, you can't spray enough fuel and you can't create a strong enough ignition to create so much force on the top of the piston.

There are key ways of creating power:

1. More Engine RPMs
2. More Displacement
3. Forced Induction
4. Higher Compression

These are the most ideal ways of creating more power. To put it simply, there isn't an easy way for you to do this naturally aspirated and there isn't a gaurantee way. You could spend a ton of money on rebuilding your engine, tuning and getting it to run and you might barely reach your goal where as someone who just put money towards a proper turbo setup is running fine and has more power that you are, has a much more reliable vehicle than you do and better gas mileage.

This is just stuff you have to think about and do more research on. If you ever need any help, feel free to contact me.

aww, now I have that feeling like my little brother just got a good grade on a test. :lol:

Awesome news guys! Now you can all go turbo! :cool:

Hey everybody, um, this thread is about SCT and their upcoming tuning. Let's not talk about our personal future mods and debate their effectiveness, ok?

It's no problem and I'm glad you didn't take it as an attack but more of just giving you some insight.

I would say the only way for you to reach 200 Wheel Horsepower (first of all you'd be producing more than 200 crank), you'd have to have work that engine from top to bottom to be honest. The problem with making an high HP 4 cylinder engine naturally aspirated is that you're only drawing so much air into your combustion chamber. The reason people turn to the boost route is because they are basically shoving compressed (or high pressurized air) into the combustion chamber. Highly pressurized air is also denser which means that you have more air molecules present than you would with air that is below atmospheric pressure. This means you can supply more fuel to cause a bigger ignition and create more power. Air is a key part of the equation to making power. If you can't draw enough air, you can't spray enough fuel and you can't create a strong enough ignition to create so much force on the top of the piston.

There are key ways of creating power:

1. More Engine RPMs
2. More Displacement
3. Forced Induction
4. Higher Compression

These are the most ideal ways of creating more power. To put it simply, there isn't an easy way for you to do this naturally aspirated and there isn't a gaurantee way. You could spend a ton of money on rebuilding your engine, tuning and getting it to run and you might barely reach your goal where as someone who just put money towards a proper turbo setup is running fine and has more power that you are, has a much more reliable vehicle than you do and better gas mileage.

This is just stuff you have to think about and do more research on. If you ever need any help, feel free to contact me.

ya ive been thinking of a turbo. but i got a gmpp performance exhaust and its only a 2.25 inch pipe and ive heard from some people that you need at least a 2.5 - 3.0 to support a turbo.

can i run a gmpp performance exhaust with a turbo setup?

Hey everybody, um, this thread is about SCT and their upcoming tuning. Let's not talk about our personal future mods and debate their effectiveness, ok?

Si Senior.

He asked, so I answered. I'm a whore. I admit it...I'm getting help...

Hey everybody, um, this thread is about SCT and their upcoming tuning. Let's not talk about our personal future mods and debate their effectiveness, ok?

sorry. but since this is the SCT. refering to the last post i made, can a gmpp performance exhaust with a 2.25 inch pipe handle a turbo setup?

sorry. but since this is the SCT. refering to the last post i made, can a gmpp performance exhaust with a 2.25 inch pipe handle a turbo setup?

Yes.

The misconception is that you will experience some type of problem if you don't upgrade your exhaust system. This is incorrect. You will just be creating more backpressure than you would with a larger and less restrictive exhaust system. So whether you have a 2" exhaust system or a 4" exhaust system, your turbocharger will still operate but it will operate more efficiently with a larger exhaust system. The backpressure causes a negative effect on the turbine on the turbocharger which can effect how efficiently it will spool up.

Maybe that clears things up for you.

thanks. SCT tune im waiting.

thanks.

No problem. Like I said, PM me if you have more questions.

Later.

Ok, here's the info I got. I emailed them asking what it took to become an SCT dealer, if individuals could buy the software and what it costs.

To be a dealer you must have a valid business license and access to a dyno. The dyno doesn't have to be in-house.

It seemed to me that they don't offer the full programming package to inidividuals. They then suggested the "Racer Package" which I hadn't seen on their website.

They quoted a Pro Racer Package at $349. I think it comes with one vehicle license and you can purchase more. This may be a good way to go for a group. Have one person, who knows tuning, buy the software and others can buy a vehicle license.

I will post more info as I get it.

What exactly do you get with this "Racer" package? Does it come with their "Advantage" software?

The Pro racer package has all the software you need to tune your car yourself, form rasing the speed limiter to adding fuel, recalabrating your speedo for differnt size wheels. And as with all other SCT tuning devices they are all Vin locked to you ECU meaning you can not share your tune with anyone else.

I'm sorry but I don't get it...

What do you mean "torque for the win?"

I AutoX, AutoX Is very torque Friendly More torque Easier it is to pull a FWD threw turns.

I AutoX, AutoX Is very torque Friendly More torque Easier it is to pull a FWD threw turns.

I understand that but I mean, the way you put it was like if you stay naturally aspirated that it's the only way you'll have "torque" and that any other form of power adder won't do it for you...

Yo, I'm hella excited about this... now I don't have to trade up for the SS/SC and raise my insurance and car notes and everything else. Now I'll just upgrade to the 3LT so I can get what I want in my car, and then mod... HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAAA
Can't wait for pricing...

Adam you read to far into things you hoe :lol:

I understand that but I mean, the way you put it was like if you stay naturally aspirated that it's the only way you'll have "torque" and that any other form of power adder won't do it for you...

OH Sorry, But I am looking for lots of low end, and I cant stand turbo'd cars.

Adam you read to far into things you hoe :lol:

Hey hey hey...

Hoes don't read...so there for I am a whore, not a hoe. I take offense to the hoe comment thank you very much!

OH Sorry, But I am looking for lots of low end, and I cant stand turbo'd cars.

If you're thinking "turbo lag", there are ways to keep from doing this especially with proper turbocharger sizing where you'd be efficient and have virtually no delay.

Not to be rude but have you owned an turbocharged vehicle before?

I'd personally like to twin charge mine.

OH Sorry, But I am looking for lots of low end, and I cant stand turbo'd cars.

get a smaller turbo then...problem fixed
besides...adding a turbo will drop maybe 5 ft lb of torque from the turbo blocking the exhaust...i think your car can stand losing 5 ft lbs in the 0-2500RPM range in exchange for an extra 90 ft lbs in the 2500-6000RPM range...
just compare a stock torque chart to a turboed torque chart...theres almost no change in the low end

OH Sorry, But I am looking for lots of low end, and I cant stand turbo'd cars.

are you running nitrous? if so, that doesn't make sense...

get a smaller turbo then...problem fixed
besides...adding a turbo will drop maybe 5 ft lb of torque from the turbo blocking the exhaust...i think your car can stand losing 5 ft lbs in the 0-2500RPM range in exchange for an extra 90 ft lbs in the 2500-6000RPM range...
just compare a stock torque chart to a turboed torque chart...theres almost no change in the low end

Yea that will work, but he autocross's...if he wants to stay in the class he is in, then he can't go turbo, or that would bump him into the street moddified class...which is full or turbo'd honda's.

If you're thinking "turbo lag", there are ways to keep from doing this especially with proper turbocharger sizing where you'd be efficient and have virtually no delay.

Not to be rude but have you owned an turbocharged vehicle before?

Yeah I totaled A WRX

are you running nitrous? if so, that doesn't make sense...

SHhhh, It's a secret, plus It's hard to see a black bottle, with black interior:twothumbs

Yeah I totaled A WRX

Damn lol

Well to each is own I guess, not arguing with you or anything. Just curious.

Good luck with the car.

SHhhh, It's a secret, plus It's hard to see a black bottle, with black interior:twothumbs

but nitrous isn't low end power, it doesn't kick in til 3K area which is later than a properly sized turbo would reach full boost.

but nitrous isn't low end power, it doesn't kick in til 3K area which is later than a properly sized turbo would reach full boost.
Yeah but I dont use the nitorous during autox its not allowed

Damn lol

Well to each is own I guess, not arguing with you or anything. Just curious.

Good luck with the car.

Thanks, main reason is I want more of a sleeper keeping it all motor will help

but nitrous isn't low end power, it doesn't kick in til 3K area which is later than a properly sized turbo would reach full boost.

The only reason nitrous isn't "low end power" is because most engines and transmissions aren't built to handle it down low. Nitrous is the best way to add low end torque if you're ready for it. It is a constant amount of power. If you're only turning 2000 rpm, then think of the torque you're adding.

Thanks, main reason is I want more of a sleeper keeping it all motor will help

Gotcha. Good luck.

The only reason nitrous isn't "low end power" is because most engines and transmissions aren't built to handle it down low. Nitrous is the best way to add low end torque if you're ready for it. It is a constant amount of power. If you're only turning 2000 rpm, then think of the torque you're adding.

the only thing you're going to add spraying nitrous at 2K is an intake manifold with a hole in it to your collection.

nitrous is instant power, its either on or its off...

progressive shot? idk about various shots of nitrous, but i would imagine a progressive shot wouldnt be horrible for the car at 2kRPMs, tho still not ideal

progressive shot? idk about various shots of nitrous, but i would imagine a progressive shot wouldnt be horrible for the car at 2kRPMs, tho still not ideal

Progressive nitrous setups progressively spray nitrous. Instead of say, "arm, spray 75 shot", it would slowly step up with nitrous shots like example: 25-50-75 depending on how you set it up. It's so it's not such an instant stress factor on the bottom end, especially the connecting rods.

So anyway... about this tuning....

Progressive nitrous setups progressively spray nitrous. Instead of say, "arm, spray 75 shot", it would slowly step up with nitrous shots like example: 25-50-75 depending on how you set it up. It's so it's not such an instant stress factor on the bottom end, especially the connecting rods.

exactly. which is why it would reduce the worry of overstressing the engine at low RPMs

So anyway... about this tuning....
agreed....we're straying from a topic i kinda need info about

with this tuning, can you change the shift points on a manual?? like if i got some stage 3 cams they go to 8000 rpm with tune. so i dont want to fall off the powerband at 4000ish. so is there a way to tune it to shift into a 5000-6000 rpm range?

with this tuning, can you change the shift points on a manual?? like if i got some stage 3 cams they go to 8000 rpm with tune. so i dont want to fall off the powerband at 4000ish. so is there a way to tune it to shift into a 5000-6000 rpm range?

If you have a manual, you have no shift points...you control when you shift.

o duh, sorry i just brain farted that one. sometimes i dont think before i type

o duh, sorry i just brain farted that one. sometimes i dont think before i type

LOL It's ok

o duh, sorry i just brain farted that one. sometimes i dont think before i type

That was one hell of a brain fart too man. :lol:

So does anybody know when the tuning comes out for our cars???

with this tuning, can you change the shift points on a manual?? like if i got some stage 3 cams they go to 8000 rpm with tune. so i dont want to fall off the powerband at 4000ish. so is there a way to tune it to shift into a 5000-6000 rpm range?

I think I understood what you were saying...

there is no way to control what RPM the car comes into the next gear at...as said its determined by when u shift.

I think I understood what you were saying...

there is no way to control what RPM the car comes into the next gear at...as said its determined by when u shift.
And that is what makes a driver better or worse...

So looking at this....to use that little handheld ODB plug in thing. We have to find a dealer who uses SCT and has the tune program for the 2.2? What if theres a shop in my area that uses sct tuning but doesn't have the tune for the 2.2? Or do they get updates that include all the current tunes? I'm confused on this.

Just a lil bump

Anymore Details on this Racer Package.

The racer package is not available for the Cobalt. SCT replied to that on their forum. There is currently nothing new to report. They show a release of first quarter 07, so before the end of March.

The racer package is not available for the Cobalt. SCT replied to that on their forum. There is currently nothing new to report. They show a release of first quarter 07, so before the end of March.

So let me get this straight, you would have to take it to a shop to get dyno tuned every time you want to make a change, and then you can only have 3 tunes to flash at any given time?

You make it sound like it's some kind of horrible deal.

No, you don't have to dyno it with every change. A shop can make changes to your flash program without necessarily dynoing each time.

Yes, you can hold only 3 tunes at once. Which the last time I checked is better then the one single tune the car hold without it.

I guess I don't understand your complaint. If you are comparing it to HP Tuners, then you would have the ability to change things yourself instead of having to go to a shop. But that's really the only problem I see. And as it is, once you have a car built, how often do you want to change the tune around?

You make it sound like it's some kind of horrible deal.

No, you don't have to dyno it with every change. A shop can make changes to your flash program without necessarily dynoing each time.

Yes, you can hold only 3 tunes at once. Which the last time I checked is better then the one single tune the car hold without it.

I guess I don't understand your complaint. If you are comparing it to HP Tuners, then you would have the ability to change things yourself instead of having to go to a shop. But that's really the only problem I see. And as it is, once you have a car built, how often do you want to change the tune around?

If you make a mod and don't tune it by hand on either the road or a dyno, your asking for trouble. And I NEVER just stop working on a car. My redline will be flashed another 100 times within the year. I don't want to be working on my L61 project, just to have it sit untuned for a while until it's at a point that it won't be modified any more and I will shell out for a tune, because it will never be done. It will constantly be evolving and getting better, so I would be forced to take it to a shop EVERY time to make changes. Sure it's better than nothing, but still a royal pain in the ass.

Okay, then based on that argument, you WANT to dyno tune it each time you change it. So now you are bringing the car to the shop anyway (unless you own your own dyno, in which case you have a lot of free money space to kill). So I still don't see the problem. You're there, at the shop, dynoing, and you can then update your flash at the same time.

if i were to get a set of stage 3 cams, is there a way to make them run for like daily driving and then a setting for them to run for spirited driving/racing? will the engine knock or anything if its set for daily driving? thanks

Well, with regard to what SCT can offer you, you could switch between tunes at the push of a button. However, a "Stage 3" cam (remember that the word "stage" really doesn't mean anything) sounds like a racing cam, which will probably not be very street friendly at all.

For the price of the cam, you could also get GMPP adjustable cam gears and have a lot more control, and be streetable.

Did you know the cam profiles of the LSJ and L61 identical? The only thing different is the timing, which you can obtain with adjustable gears.

Well, with regard to what SCT can offer you, you could switch between tunes at the push of a button. However, a "Stage 3" cam (remember that the word "stage" really doesn't mean anything) sounds like a racing cam, which will probably not be very street friendly at all.

For the price of the cam, you could also get GMPP adjustable cam gears and have a lot more control, and be streetable.

Did you know the cam profiles of the LSJ and L61 identical? The only thing different is the timing, which you can obtain with adjustable gears.

o well i found it on this website. http://www.jbodyperformance.com/new/PartDetails.php?partId=288&catId=288&catName=JP0288 and they say you dont need any tuning for the "stage 3" but its recomended. just wondering if the eninge can handle that power and be reliable for every day driving. if not what cam do you suggest i get instead? seems to me you know more about this than i do. just wondering if the "stage 3" cam can be reliable for everyday driving and if not what other mods would you need to upgrade on ur engine.?

and no i didnt know about those adjustable cam gears being the same on the LSJ and L61

Cams are HIGHLY dependant on the vehicles use. Forced induction would be completely different then Normally Aspirated. I can already tell you are wanting street use, which means emmisions legal. What else do you want to do?

i just wanna go intake, exhaust (i have the gmpp performance catback already) and the stage 3 cams with a tune to make the most power out of them.

Okay, then based on that argument, you WANT to dyno tune it each time you change it. So now you are bringing the car to the shop anyway (unless you own your own dyno, in which case you have a lot of free money space to kill). So I still don't see the problem. You're there, at the shop, dynoing, and you can then update your flash at the same time.

Becuase you don;t even have the option to street tune or track tune. Dynos are fine for hitting good peaks, but not so good for replicating real world scenarios. Also, if you make minor changes, you can adjust them with out shelling out cash for tuning. And I also don't have shops install things, so I am not going to be there anyways.

I do have access to a dyno pretty damn cheap though ;) Just a pain in the ass to have to be at a shop with SCT and a dyno to make any changes.

Stock Internals you shouldnt push anything more than 10 psi...says who?
i have set a goal of 300whp when my cobalt is all done, i know i'll eventually have to swap internals. but i was thinking once i get the 250 mark i'll swap them out. i just want to know should that be 250 at the crank or at the wheels?250whp = 294 crank (assume 15% dt loss). wouldn't last long. I'd shoot for 265 crank HP (~225whp w/ 15% dt loss) then upgrade your internals.
So does anybody know when the tuning comes out for our cars???
Q1 07
...Yes, you can hold only 3 tunes at once. Which the last time I checked is better then the one single tune the car hold without it...+1
...I do have access to a dyno pretty damn cheap though ;) Just a pain in the ass to have to be at a shop with SCT and a dyno to make any changes.
just hafta hold out for HPT (good luck) or the pro racer package from SCT (better luck) then :)

updates? developpement? ETA ? estimated price ?

bump..anymore info?

hmm..

hmm..

Oh no you didn't revive a 2 year old thread.

You are now banned.

well i read through all 7 pages and nothing was said about it being released

well i read through all 7 pages and nothing was said about it being released

because it never was

it was released with the garrett turbo kit...but nothing that will let us tune like hpt

This never happened did it?

no, no it did not

just wait...cuz ive been talking to the CEO and we might have really good news very soon...they are adding the Cobalt 05/06 to their new software that will include GM

http://www.cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.php?t=195198

still doesn't help me...

still doesn't help me...

you can use ls2edit to tune ur 07