heres the plan guys, i was thinking about cams, but all said and done, its like $1000CDN installed (correct me if im wrong), so i said forget it,

now what i wanna do is use the m62, i know there's been quite a few threads out here already about this, however there is a lot of speculation on parts and what not,
well here it is, no more speculation, lets get down and dirty and come up with every part needed to do this.

when we're done, i'll get it done,

i know this i need to start, please anyone with knowledge add what you can
btw its a 2.4vvt

*01. M62 Blower (gm part)
*02. LSJ Intake Manifold (gm part)
03. Belt (???????)
*04. Tuning (hp tuners)
*05. Throttle Body (lsj)
06. Stage 2 Injectors (gm part)
*07. Air-Fuel Guage (aem)
*08. Boost Guage (aem)
09. Intake (?????aem)
10. Intercooler/Heat Exchanger(????gm part)
11. SC End Plate (????? stock? stage3?)
12. Coolant Reservoir (?????)
13. Coolant Pump (?????)
14. Coolant Piping (?????)
*15. Belt Tensioner & Pulley(gm part)

anything anybody adds or thinks i should really change, i'll update that list.
keep in mind that what im trying to do is keep as many gm parts as possible, not to cover warranty or anything like that, i just wanna see what gm parts can do :)

intake

haha smart ....updated

You won't spend $1000 for cams but you'll spend WAY more than that in parts for boost?! That doesn't make a lot of sense, unless you've got some other reason for spending more on other stuff.

Also you didn't budget in any supporting mods. You need a true wideband, not just an A/F gauge. You're going to have a hard time finding JUST the Stage 2 injectors. You're going to have to get them used. Also probably going to want an interceptor gauge to monitor KR.

What kind of tranny do you have? Automatic should probably have a tranny cooler, manual I would take into account the possibility of needing a new clutch.

Not sure if the M62 comes with any kind of cooling? So if not an intercooler of some sorts maybe?

^^very tru,

what i meant about the cams, is 1000 CDN$ NOT USD, and cams, what 20-30 whp? maybe??? or should i spend like 2500 cdn for a lot more power, i should have been a little more clear

the wideband is on the way, it was ordered last week, its a true wideband with monitor so im not worried about that, i have the 5spd as well

What about all those sensors that are on the M62 in our cars? SCIP and such. No idea how you would get around that. Also going to need a H/E to connect to the manifold. Not sure how your pulley system is on the 2.4 either. Might need our tensioner or idler.

^^very tru,

what i meant about the cams, is 1000 CDN$ NOT USD, and cams, what 20-30 whp? maybe??? or should i spend like 2500 cdn for a lot more power, i should have been a little more clear

the wideband is on the way, it was ordered last week, its a true wideband with monitor so im not worried about that, i have the 5spd as well

Ah, OK. Just wanted to make sure. I've seen people post up about wanting to boost their car followed by "I only have $1k to spend, should be good to go, right???" which usually goes along with "Gots my Acme Air/Fuel gauge. Don't know why everyone pays so much for those wideband do-hickies, they costs too damn much $$$."

Definitely make sure you've got cash on reserve for a new clutch just in case, that's probably the most important "just in case" fund you could have when modding.

Like the other person said, you'll need the cooling system for the Eaton as well.

sorry yo're gonna have to update me on what the scip stands for im having a brain fart

Supercharger Inlet Pressure. Then again I don't know much of the 2.4 and they might have something else in its place.

Supercharger Intake Pressure would be my guess. Could be wrong though.

EDIT: Well, close enough damn it!

Ah, OK. Just wanted to make sure. I've seen people post up about wanting to boost their car followed by "I only have $1k to spend, should be good to go, right???" which usually goes along with "Gots my Acme Air/Fuel gauge. Don't know why everyone pays so much for those wideband do-hickies, they costs too damn much $$$."

Definitely make sure you've got cash on reserve for a new clutch just in case, that's probably the most important "just in case" fund you could have when modding.

Like the other person said, you'll need the cooling system for the Eaton as well.

hahaha 1000$ to spend on boost? maybe if it was a honda,

dont worry, im not a complete moron, i hope,

Supercharger Inlet Pressure. Then again I don't know much of the 2.4 and they might have something else in its place.

thanks im gonna have to look into this a little later on

[QUOTE=senior_brown;926431]heres the plan guys, i was thinking about cams, but all said and done, its like $1000CDN installed (correct me if im wrong), so i said forget it,[\QUOTE]

Not to mention they won't really do Jack for your car!

[QUOTE=senior_brown;926431]heres the plan guys, i was thinking about cams, but all said and done, its like $1000CDN installed (correct me if im wrong), so i said forget it,[\QUOTE]

Not to mention they won't really do Jack for your car!

please elaborate

its very simple to put a roots style supercharger on a 2.4, all you need is the intake mani, the supercharger, and an adapter plate...

given the resources, and you know what your doing, you can have it installed, and ready to be tuned in about 5 hours.


TNT Autosport will be developing a roots style kit, with help from TurboBlackBalt(now: AMG Passion) when our shop is opened.

its very simple to put a roots style supercharger on a 2.4, all you need is the intake mani, the supercharger, and an adapter plate...

given the resources, and you know what your doing, you can have it installed, and ready to be tuned in about 5 hours.


TNT Autosport will be developing a roots style kit, with help from TurboBlackBalt(now: AMG Passion) when our shop is opened.

thanks for the vote of confidence, out of curiosity, when do you plan on opeing your shop? and where would it be located

it'll be located in Sterling, IL 61081. Should be opened anywhere between today and 2 weeks.


I will offer our kits to all the other vendors, so you can still buy from your favorite vendors.

it'll be located in Sterling, IL 61081. Should be opened anywhere between today and 2 weeks.


I will offer our kits to all the other vendors, so you can still buy from your favorite vendors.

Holy Double Post batman!


Sorry about that.

cool.. no disrespect, but i dont see me driving from ontario up there haha, that'll put quite the addition on the already stupidly high odometer of one year LOL

well im off to work again today, gone for pprobably 7 hours, hopefully a lot more ppl have read this thread and have more opinions and insight,

check ya guys later

its very simple to put a roots style supercharger on a 2.4, all you need is the intake mani, the supercharger, and an adapter plate...

given the resources, and you know what your doing, you can have it installed, and ready to be tuned in about 5 hours.


TNT Autosport will be developing a roots style kit, with help from TurboBlackBalt(now: AMG Passion) when our shop is opened.
Really? So you don't need plumbing for the intercooler system built into the manifold? No heat exchanger? What about a pump to run that system? What about mounting brackets for it?

Oh and you've also lined up the manifold and supercharger to check that the pulley lines up with the stock belt system? And routing that belt up to the supercharger isn't a problem either?

Also, where does your intake go since the washer fluid reservoir is on the opposite side on a 2.4 than on a 2.0 therefore blocking any aftermarket intake that's out for the 2.0? And I guess you don't worry about a boost bypass valve or anything. And your MAF sensor wiring harness reaches all the way to the opposite side of the engine bay to fit in the intake tube? And I guess slapping a blower on doesn't require injectors and plugs.... or any of the other things already mentioned in this thread.

Then you still have tuning.... which presents the same challenges as tuning for a turbo on a 2.4 does.

It's not an impossible feat... but it also isn't a 5 hour, easy install.

half the shit you mentioned is a simple fix, like the washer fluid thing? MOVE IT, CUT A LONGER HOSE... if the ss.sc has it on the left, i bet money where you guys have it mounted, i have the mounting holes for it too,

maf sensor can be moved around, no biggie, its there and it'll work with minor modification, once again no biggie,

you will need new injectors, but i already listed that, and the install wont be as difficult as the tuning, no problem, i got a tuner, as far as the belts lining up, i doubt its a problem, but its something to look into, and im sure when he mentioned 5 hours, it was for tuning, not the install,

i've no clue on how the stock ss/sc intercooler/heat exchanger works, but thats something im trying to figure out

seems like itd be easier to go turbocharged

seems like itd be easier to go turbocharged

you mean as in you'd need less parts? labour and tuning?

or what...??

doing a kit like this is definitely possible and it's much easier than a turbo as only intake end needs to be modified. Also the 2.4 tubo solstice made 311WHP (and that's rear wheel) on only 8 psi, that much boost is well within the efficiency range of the M62.

I'm willing to make this kit if a few people put down the money.

mase put that whipple on dammit, im going to talk to my boss about taking a week or 2 off work just to do this make it a lil vacation with the car lol

half the shit you mentioned is a simple fix, like the washer fluid thing? MOVE IT, CUT A LONGER HOSE... if the ss.sc has it on the left, i bet money where you guys have it mounted, i have the mounting holes for it too,

maf sensor can be moved around, no biggie, its there and it'll work with minor modification, once again no biggie,

you will need new injectors, but i already listed that, and the install wont be as difficult as the tuning, no problem, i got a tuner, as far as the belts lining up, i doubt its a problem, but its something to look into, and im sure when he mentioned 5 hours, it was for tuning, not the install,

i've no clue on how the stock ss/sc intercooler/heat exchanger works, but thats something im trying to figure out
Actually, he said 5 hours to install and then you'd be ready to tune. Read the post that I quoted.


You will need new injectors along with all of the other parts I stated (and more). Believe me, we looked into this last summer/fall. And when I say "looked into this" I mean we had parts for test fitment and mock-up. And before you get smart with me chief, I never said you can't fix the problems that I mentioned. I simply mentioned them in response to TCarter's claim that it was a simple 5 hour install requiring 3 parts.

Maybe you should do a little more research (and reading of posts) before you try to act like the expert on the subject when you're talking to someone that spent a few months researching it along with a GM engineer.

dude, frist off, you're right on the 5 hr thing, i did read it wrong, my mistake,

second, i never said im an expert, if i was i would have never signed up on this forum, i would have never made this thread and instead of me asking questions i would have signed up on this site just to show everyone what numbers i put down

but no, im no expert and just like everyone else out here, we're all gaining knowledge by asking questions and trying new things,

the other thread you are talking about, yea i read it, and it just stopped, like a year ago, no updates, just a dead end, like hitting a brick wall, there was no test results, no fittings mentioned, and there was pretty much nothing really done about it, so yea i started this thread.

maybe if the other thread had continued up to a point where everything was written in stone, there would be no need for this thread. so until then, let keep it simple,

IM NO EXPERT, thats why i pay the experts,
IM NOT TRYING TO BE A DICK, im just telling it how it is
IM NOT HATING, im learning too

and thats great that you and whoever gm techies tried to figure it out, half the techies around here that work for gm are idiots and i mean idiots, i wouldnt trust my car with more than a handfull of them, unless ofcourse they were the ones that designed the power train, then i'll shut up about it.

and i dunno if you read my 1st post, where did i agree on anything saying i only need 3 parts, maybe you should read a lil more two,

senior out

and i dunno if you read my 1st post, where did i agree on anything saying i only need 3 parts, maybe you should read a lil more two,

senior out
I did read it. Did you read mine? Cause I didn't say you thought you only needed 3 parts. My first post was directed towards TCarter and TCarter alone.

You need

lsj intake manifold

lsj heat exchanger pump and bracket
some sort of heat exchanger and lines to route it
heat exchanger mounting supplies
(for simplicity id recommend the ENTIRE lsj aftercooler system since ur car already has teh gap for the heat exchanger core...the stock lines should fit along with stock pump mounting locations)

lsj s/c

lsj TB or custom larger TB i'll be releasing shortly

entire lsj belt setup...unless u can find a correct size 5 rib double sided belt if not get ENTIRE lsj system...a 2.2 eco i know has the lsj s/c on it and he is using entire belt system

wire to reroute the maf

atleast stock lsj or stage 2 lsj injectors

the new injector harness to make it work

hptuners

lsj windshield washer fluid resivoir or remove stock one and relocate

lsj CAI

that should be it...id recommend a lsj map sensor tho as well

you mean as in you'd need less parts? labour and tuning?

or what...??


well you wouldnt have to move a bunch of stuff aroud and you wouldnt have to worry about belts and pullies.

^^^^tru

have you ever considered doing the NA mild build through JBP,its like 3 grand 300hp?just throwin this out there since you are not to far from them

i have actually, but how did you get $3000 for 300hp? cuz i was looking into it, plus now that their doing the gay wholesaler thing, i dunno if i could even go to them directly, i was already looking into their stage 2/3 head with the cams,.

id rather spend 3 on an na or supercharger build than $6000 on a turbo

i have actually, but how did you get $3000 for 300hp? cuz i was looking into it, plus now that their doing the gay wholesaler thing, i dunno if i could even go to them directly, i was already looking into their stage 2/3 head with the cams,.

id rather spend 3 on an na or supercharger build than $6000 on a turbo

no doubt,get the SC,the mild build is listed as 2500.00 and probably 600.00 for re and re,myself I would take the 300 NA route just for durability

are you taking about their stage 2 heads?

i dunno if that alone will yeild 300hp, maybe the stage 2+cams

or stage3+cams

all estimates right now anywayas they dont have any proof of gains

are you taking about their stage 2 heads?

i dunno if that alone will yeild 300hp, maybe the stage 2+cams

or stage3+cams

all estimates right now anywayas they dont have any proof of gains

go to their site and check out the engine section, the rebuild and replace alot of stuff,its more than just a head job.I will be goin this route and have a badass NA

^^^well i was looking into getting their stage 2 head and cams before, what were you thinking of getting done?

its very simple to put a roots style supercharger on a 2.4, all you need is the intake mani, the supercharger, and an adapter plate...

given the resources, and you know what your doing, you can have it installed, and ready to be tuned in about 5 hours.


TNT Autosport will be developing a roots style kit, with help from TurboBlackBalt(now: AMG Passion) when our shop is opened.

Sorry to threadjack, but will you guys be able to tune and install at your shop after its reopened, and will it be available for the auto

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DESCRIPTION: Ecotec 2.2L Cavalier/Sunfire Supercharger Kit
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ok guys, i'm stil looking into this as an option, now dont get scared, im not going to buy this lol, just trying to find more info, ive been reading that the m62 on the 2.2 cavi's dont need an intercooler??? is this possible??

anyone?

same wwith the s/c they made for the 2.4 ld9???

You need


entire lsj belt setup...unless u can find a correct size 5 rib double sided belt if not get ENTIRE lsj system...a 2.2 eco i know has the lsj s/c on it and he is using entire belt system



you mean ALL pulley's ?? i know there are 2 more pulleys on an ss/sc besides the blower, tensioner and i forget the otherone right now its late, so you mean i'd need the other ones too if mines not 5 rib?

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GM PART # 17800003
CATEGORY: All
PACK QTY: 1
CORE CHARGE: $0.00
GM LIST: $3,388.00
OUR PRICE: $3,058.42


DESCRIPTION: Ecotec 2.2L Cavalier/Sunfire Supercharger Kit
For 03-05 2.2L Ecotec powered Chevrolet Cavaliers and Pontiac Sunfires. This kit upgrades power to 200hp (up from stock 145hp). Kit includes a supercharger, all necessary hardware, brackets, gaskets, and specific E.O. performance engine calibration. Premium fuel required.

ok guys, i'm stil looking into this as an option, now dont get scared, im not going to buy this lol, just trying to find more info, ive been reading that the m62 on the 2.2 cavi's dont need an intercooler??? is this possible??

anyone?

same wwith the s/c they made for the 2.4 ld9???



you mean ALL pulley's ?? i know there are 2 more pulleys on an ss/sc besides the blower, tensioner and i forget the otherone right now its late, so you mean i'd need the other ones too if mines not 5 rib?

Yup...since the double sidded 6 rib belt is impossible to find u need ALL lsj pullies