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Old Mar 22, 2007 | 01:50 PM
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Canada so.. i need boost, help me!!!

heres the plan guys, i was thinking about cams, but all said and done, its like $1000CDN installed (correct me if im wrong), so i said forget it,

now what i wanna do is use the m62, i know there's been quite a few threads out here already about this, however there is a lot of speculation on parts and what not,
well here it is, no more speculation, lets get down and dirty and come up with every part needed to do this.

when we're done, i'll get it done,

i know this i need to start, please anyone with knowledge add what you can
btw its a 2.4vvt

*01. M62 Blower (gm part)
*02. LSJ Intake Manifold (gm part)
03. Belt (???????)
*04. Tuning (hp tuners)
*05. Throttle Body (lsj)
06. Stage 2 Injectors (gm part)
*07. Air-Fuel Guage (aem)
*08. Boost Guage (aem)
09. Intake (?????aem)
10. Intercooler/Heat Exchanger(????gm part)
11. SC End Plate (????? stock? stage3?)
12. Coolant Reservoir (?????)
13. Coolant Pump (?????)
14. Coolant Piping (?????)
*15. Belt Tensioner & Pulley(gm part)

anything anybody adds or thinks i should really change, i'll update that list.
keep in mind that what im trying to do is keep as many gm parts as possible, not to cover warranty or anything like that, i just wanna see what gm parts can do

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Old Mar 22, 2007 | 02:00 PM
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Old Mar 22, 2007 | 02:09 PM
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haha smart ....updated
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Old Mar 22, 2007 | 02:11 PM
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You won't spend $1000 for cams but you'll spend WAY more than that in parts for boost?! That doesn't make a lot of sense, unless you've got some other reason for spending more on other stuff.

Also you didn't budget in any supporting mods. You need a true wideband, not just an A/F gauge. You're going to have a hard time finding JUST the Stage 2 injectors. You're going to have to get them used. Also probably going to want an interceptor gauge to monitor KR.

What kind of tranny do you have? Automatic should probably have a tranny cooler, manual I would take into account the possibility of needing a new clutch.
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Old Mar 22, 2007 | 02:12 PM
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Not sure if the M62 comes with any kind of cooling? So if not an intercooler of some sorts maybe?
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Old Mar 22, 2007 | 02:15 PM
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^^very tru,

what i meant about the cams, is 1000 CDN$ NOT USD, and cams, what 20-30 whp? maybe??? or should i spend like 2500 cdn for a lot more power, i should have been a little more clear

the wideband is on the way, it was ordered last week, its a true wideband with monitor so im not worried about that, i have the 5spd as well
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Old Mar 22, 2007 | 02:23 PM
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What about all those sensors that are on the M62 in our cars? SCIP and such. No idea how you would get around that. Also going to need a H/E to connect to the manifold. Not sure how your pulley system is on the 2.4 either. Might need our tensioner or idler.
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Old Mar 22, 2007 | 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by senior_brown
^^very tru,

what i meant about the cams, is 1000 CDN$ NOT USD, and cams, what 20-30 whp? maybe??? or should i spend like 2500 cdn for a lot more power, i should have been a little more clear

the wideband is on the way, it was ordered last week, its a true wideband with monitor so im not worried about that, i have the 5spd as well
Ah, OK. Just wanted to make sure. I've seen people post up about wanting to boost their car followed by "I only have $1k to spend, should be good to go, right???" which usually goes along with "Gots my Acme Air/Fuel gauge. Don't know why everyone pays so much for those wideband do-hickies, they costs too damn much $$$."

Definitely make sure you've got cash on reserve for a new clutch just in case, that's probably the most important "just in case" fund you could have when modding.

Like the other person said, you'll need the cooling system for the Eaton as well.
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Old Mar 22, 2007 | 02:26 PM
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sorry yo're gonna have to update me on what the scip stands for im having a brain fart
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Old Mar 22, 2007 | 02:28 PM
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Supercharger Inlet Pressure. Then again I don't know much of the 2.4 and they might have something else in its place.
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Supercharger Intake Pressure would be my guess. Could be wrong though.

EDIT: Well, close enough damn it!
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Old Mar 22, 2007 | 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by alleycat58
Ah, OK. Just wanted to make sure. I've seen people post up about wanting to boost their car followed by "I only have $1k to spend, should be good to go, right???" which usually goes along with "Gots my Acme Air/Fuel gauge. Don't know why everyone pays so much for those wideband do-hickies, they costs too damn much $$$."

Definitely make sure you've got cash on reserve for a new clutch just in case, that's probably the most important "just in case" fund you could have when modding.

Like the other person said, you'll need the cooling system for the Eaton as well.
hahaha 1000$ to spend on boost? maybe if it was a honda,

dont worry, im not a complete moron, i hope,

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Supercharger Inlet Pressure. Then again I don't know much of the 2.4 and they might have something else in its place.
thanks im gonna have to look into this a little later on

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Old Mar 22, 2007 | 02:50 PM
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[QUOTE=senior_brown;926431]heres the plan guys, i was thinking about cams, but all said and done, its like $1000CDN installed (correct me if im wrong), so i said forget it,[\QUOTE]

Not to mention they won't really do Jack for your car!
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Old Mar 22, 2007 | 02:55 PM
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[QUOTE=Psykostevo;926600]
Originally Posted by senior_brown
heres the plan guys, i was thinking about cams, but all said and done, its like $1000CDN installed (correct me if im wrong), so i said forget it,[\QUOTE]

Not to mention they won't really do Jack for your car!
please elaborate
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Old Mar 22, 2007 | 02:57 PM
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its very simple to put a roots style supercharger on a 2.4, all you need is the intake mani, the supercharger, and an adapter plate...

given the resources, and you know what your doing, you can have it installed, and ready to be tuned in about 5 hours.


TNT Autosport will be developing a roots style kit, with help from TurboBlackBalt(now: AMG Passion) when our shop is opened.
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Old Mar 22, 2007 | 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by TCarter
its very simple to put a roots style supercharger on a 2.4, all you need is the intake mani, the supercharger, and an adapter plate...

given the resources, and you know what your doing, you can have it installed, and ready to be tuned in about 5 hours.


TNT Autosport will be developing a roots style kit, with help from TurboBlackBalt(now: AMG Passion) when our shop is opened.
thanks for the vote of confidence, out of curiosity, when do you plan on opeing your shop? and where would it be located
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Old Mar 22, 2007 | 03:06 PM
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it'll be located in Sterling, IL 61081. Should be opened anywhere between today and 2 weeks.


I will offer our kits to all the other vendors, so you can still buy from your favorite vendors.
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Old Mar 22, 2007 | 03:06 PM
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it'll be located in Sterling, IL 61081. Should be opened anywhere between today and 2 weeks.


I will offer our kits to all the other vendors, so you can still buy from your favorite vendors.

Holy Double Post batman!


Sorry about that.

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Old Mar 22, 2007 | 03:24 PM
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cool.. no disrespect, but i dont see me driving from ontario up there haha, that'll put quite the addition on the already stupidly high odometer of one year LOL

well im off to work again today, gone for pprobably 7 hours, hopefully a lot more ppl have read this thread and have more opinions and insight,

check ya guys later

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Old Mar 22, 2007 | 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by TCarter
its very simple to put a roots style supercharger on a 2.4, all you need is the intake mani, the supercharger, and an adapter plate...

given the resources, and you know what your doing, you can have it installed, and ready to be tuned in about 5 hours.


TNT Autosport will be developing a roots style kit, with help from TurboBlackBalt(now: AMG Passion) when our shop is opened.
Really? So you don't need plumbing for the intercooler system built into the manifold? No heat exchanger? What about a pump to run that system? What about mounting brackets for it?

Oh and you've also lined up the manifold and supercharger to check that the pulley lines up with the stock belt system? And routing that belt up to the supercharger isn't a problem either?

Also, where does your intake go since the washer fluid reservoir is on the opposite side on a 2.4 than on a 2.0 therefore blocking any aftermarket intake that's out for the 2.0? And I guess you don't worry about a boost bypass valve or anything. And your MAF sensor wiring harness reaches all the way to the opposite side of the engine bay to fit in the intake tube? And I guess slapping a blower on doesn't require injectors and plugs.... or any of the other things already mentioned in this thread.

Then you still have tuning.... which presents the same challenges as tuning for a turbo on a 2.4 does.

It's not an impossible feat... but it also isn't a 5 hour, easy install.
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Old Mar 22, 2007 | 10:18 PM
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half the **** you mentioned is a simple fix, like the washer fluid thing? MOVE IT, CUT A LONGER HOSE... if the ss.sc has it on the left, i bet money where you guys have it mounted, i have the mounting holes for it too,

maf sensor can be moved around, no biggie, its there and it'll work with minor modification, once again no biggie,

you will need new injectors, but i already listed that, and the install wont be as difficult as the tuning, no problem, i got a tuner, as far as the belts lining up, i doubt its a problem, but its something to look into, and im sure when he mentioned 5 hours, it was for tuning, not the install,

i've no clue on how the stock ss/sc intercooler/heat exchanger works, but thats something im trying to figure out
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seems like itd be easier to go turbocharged
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Old Mar 22, 2007 | 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by celicacobalt
seems like itd be easier to go turbocharged
you mean as in you'd need less parts? labour and tuning?

or what...??
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Old Mar 23, 2007 | 12:08 AM
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doing a kit like this is definitely possible and it's much easier than a turbo as only intake end needs to be modified. Also the 2.4 tubo solstice made 311WHP (and that's rear wheel) on only 8 psi, that much boost is well within the efficiency range of the M62.

I'm willing to make this kit if a few people put down the money.
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Old Mar 23, 2007 | 12:13 AM
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mase put that whipple on dammit, im going to talk to my boss about taking a week or 2 off work just to do this make it a lil vacation with the car lol
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