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avro206
09-02-2005, 12:25 AM
Any guesses on what kind of numbers the magazines will get? I am putting some mileage on the car and gradually increasing rpms. But haven't really got into it. 5000rpm once or twice.


Might be at the track in a week to see for myself. But back to the topic....

For a 5 speed car I predict:

0-60 in 7.2

1/4 mile 15.3@92

Darksun
09-02-2005, 12:34 AM
Any guesses on what kind of numbers the magazines will get? I am putting some mileage on the car and gradually increasing rpms. But haven't really got into it. 5000rpm once or twice.


Might be at the track in a week to see for myself. But back to the topic....

For a 5 speed car I predict:

0-60 in 7.2

1/4 mile 15.3@92

scrap that 92 trap and change it to 85 or 86

avro206
09-02-2005, 12:50 AM
scrap that 92 trap and change it to 85 or 86

Thats way too low a trap speed at 85-86. Consider this:

My old POS 305 TBI/auto IROC ran 15.9@85. Weighs some 500lbs more. Virtually the same hp. Oh and it had no top end---just good low rom torque.

And my wifes Grand Am GT traps at 89mph

Mitsubishi Lancer Ralliart (162hp,2.4L) did a 15.5@90. And it weighs a touch more.

phxSS
09-02-2005, 02:02 AM
mid 15's sounds about right for this car. My old SVT Focus had 170hp, but had tall gears and still managed mid 15's.

DC52NV
09-02-2005, 02:25 AM
i predict high 15's.

ExHondaMan
09-02-2005, 02:37 AM
Mid to High 15s... depending on driver & track conditions... Maybe a low 15 ? I doubt it though...

DC52NV
09-02-2005, 02:57 AM
Mid to High 15s... depending on driver & track conditions... Maybe a low 15 ? I doubt it though...
yeah, it all depends on the driver, track conditions, elevation, and weather. still though, low 15's is very unlikely. mid 15's is pushing it so i'm guessing high 15's to low 16's. let us know what you run after you go. :cssNET:

RockTheSVT
09-02-2005, 04:20 AM
I do mid 15's in my SVT, and I predict mid 15's in the new 2.4SS

xonic
09-02-2005, 03:32 PM
I'd guess mid high 15's. I'm wanting to test drive an 06 SS my local dealer has. I've drivin the ls coupe and wasn't too impressed.

avro206
09-02-2005, 05:04 PM
I am surprised at all the high 15's guesses :confused: (VVT, 10.4 to1 CR---not an economy car engine you know)

Doesn't take much to get that these days----well I'll do my best to prove you wrong! :-D

MikeSS
09-02-2005, 05:15 PM
Yeah, I think a cobalt with 171HP is an easy low 15 second car. My modded alero and stock V6 camaro could run low 15's, this car will for sure.

Darksun
09-02-2005, 06:22 PM
Thats way too low a trap speed at 85-86. Consider this:

My old POS 305 TBI/auto IROC ran 15.9@85. Weighs some 500lbs more. Virtually the same hp. Oh and it had no top end---just good low rom torque.

And my wifes Grand Am GT traps at 89mph

Mitsubishi Lancer Ralliart (162hp,2.4L) did a 15.5@90. And it weighs a touch more.

yeah that 15.5 at 90 could just mean it spun the tires more at launch or the car doesn't pick up till its 3rd gear. 86-87 trap is about dead on for 15.5

avro206
09-02-2005, 07:36 PM
yeah that 15.5 at 90 could just mean it spun the tires more at launch or the car doesn't pick up till its 3rd gear. 86-87 trap is about dead on for 15.5

that makes no sense. I have been drag racing for 13 years so I have some experince.

Your 86-87mph does not corelate. Look up some magazine road tests of 15-16 second times---you'll see the mph is higher.

Wifes Grand AM did 16.3@85

Friends 91 T/A 305 TPI/auto did 16.0 @87mph

Both these times are uncorrected. Physical atlitude where I live is 3200ft---BUT desnity altitude is around 5000ft! :eek:

Using NHRA correction factor (plus I have drag raced the same car here and at sea-level)
of 0.8 sec= 15.5 for the Grand Am 89mph
15.2 for the T/A 92mph

However---I'll be back with a timeslip and I am sure we'll see a magazine test soon.

97cavie24ls
09-03-2005, 03:54 AM
my cav traps in the mid 80 range , and low 16 senc 1/4 , before i tossed the s/c on it

after driving the 2.4 5spd , itll run low 15's and trap around 90

avro206
09-03-2005, 09:16 AM
my cav traps in the mid 80 range , and low 16 senc 1/4 , before i tossed the s/c on it

after driving the 2.4 5spd , itll run low 15's and trap around 90


you bought the GM supercharger for the 2.4L Twin Cam?

how do you like it?

Jmc007
09-03-2005, 10:45 AM
0-60 mph 7,2s
Quarter 16,2 @ 82 MPH

MikeSS
09-03-2005, 01:47 PM
0-60 mph 7,2s
Quarter 16,2 @ 82 MPH


Is this your predicition? because no car that can achieve a 7.2 0-60 would then become such a dog that it takes 16.2 to finish the quarter mile.

Tiburon GT V6 7.1 15.6
Lexus IS300 7.3 15.5
Mitsubishi Lancer Ralliart 7.3 15.5
Sentra SE-R Spec V 7.3 15.6
Corolla XRS 7.2 15.8

On the other end

A4 1.8T 8.1 16.2
Cobalt LS 8.4 16.6
Pontiac G6 GT 7.9 16.1
Grand Prix GT2 8.1 16.2

stlurbanpunk
09-05-2005, 02:23 AM
i read somewhere that 7 even was the number. btw, i think the horsepower will average 175. i have no idea bout 1/4 mile. not a big drag race fan.

97cavie24ls
09-05-2005, 05:15 AM
you bought the GM supercharger for the 2.4L Twin Cam?

how do you like it?

sorry to hijack the thread , but i love the s/c , before my friends ss/sc would leave me in the dust , and now we are neck and neck , but as long as ive got the auto , and untill he learns to shift faster itll be a toss up , once he learns to shift faster he will win

sneaky
09-05-2005, 05:28 AM
Is this your predicition? because no car that can achieve a 7.2 0-60 would then become such a dog that it takes 16.2 to finish the quarter mile.

Tiburon GT V6 7.1 15.6
Lexus IS300 7.3 15.5
Mitsubishi Lancer Ralliart 7.3 15.5
Sentra SE-R Spec V 7.3 15.6
Corolla XRS 7.2 15.8

On the other end

A4 1.8T 8.1 16.2
Cobalt LS 8.4 16.6
Pontiac G6 GT 7.9 16.1
Grand Prix GT2 8.1 16.2

What's funny is the 3.1L MPFI Turbo in the Grand Prix STE's (popular in 2nd gen Cavailer Swaps or the 3400 SFI) were putting the same numbers down stock for the 0-60 in 7 seconds and low to mid 15 quater miles. For the 2.4L VVT to do those same numbers with less displacement and naturally asperiated shows how far GM has gone since the early days of large displacement, small HP times of the 90's.

For once, a car that is good on gas and performance for those in minds with budgets.

codyss
09-05-2005, 12:23 PM
My 1993 Cavalier Z24 on average will run 16.0-17.0 and even it hasn't ran slower than 85mph.

MikeSS
09-06-2005, 11:46 AM
I remember when I free'd up the air flow on my 2003 Alero ecotec, I noticed a huge differnce (CAI/ Catback exhaust).

I was wondering, how well do you think the 2.4L Ecotec will respond to these mods? Do you think it has far better airflow to start with, or will it be similar.

I know the 2.2L was restrictive.

six7witha4spd
09-19-2005, 06:12 AM
Does anyone else besides me think the cobalt resembles the new GTO's? Just a little bit.

jzchev28
09-19-2005, 09:18 AM
Does anyone else besides me think the cobalt resembles the new GTO's? Just a little bit.

:lol: nope sorry dont see it... more like a G6 then a new goat

aesthetics
09-19-2005, 02:35 PM
i was about to buy a ralliart, but i felt it was to slow and my gf said the same thing. then i drove the cobalt and we both felt it was a bit faster and actually looked good. so if they are getting a Mitsubishi Lancer Ralliart to do 7.3 and run a 15.5 i'll say they get the Cobalt SS to run a 7.1 or 7.2 and 15.3. i've raced an RSX and a ralliart and we both knew it was a race and i took both. my car has 1600km on it after 12 days so i've already been giving it and the car pulls very nicely. actually!! i think the car will run a 7.3 and 15.5... the stock all season tires blow they need a nice summer tire.

RedCobaltSS06
09-19-2005, 03:18 PM
I am gonna set the goal at mid 15's, and then hope i prove myself wrong. my car won't be here until the end of the week, so i have to go through break in and all before i get the chance to find out any numbers, but i'll get some up. until then i'll be looking at everyone else's numbers....

97cavie24ls
09-19-2005, 06:08 PM
Does anyone else besides me think the cobalt resembles the new GTO's? Just a little bit.

they say that because of the shape of the back window , the same is said about it looking like a cavalier


and why cavaliers with body kits get called eclipses


granted its mostly from people that dont know crap about cars to begin with

six7witha4spd
09-20-2005, 06:03 AM
I was just asking a question. Dont get offended because the only cool car you have is a Cavalier. My cobalt is my daily gas saver not a car I see running scarry fast at the drags.
What do you do for a living automotive wizard? Because I really doubt you know more than me about cars. :lol:

RedBaseBolt
09-20-2005, 02:12 PM
My Cobalt with an Auto tranny and 2.2L ran a 16.1 on my friends G-Tech at 88. I know they aren't all that accurate but it gives you an idea. Also I had an Alero with a 2.4L 5 speed and I ran a 15.73 at 89.6. That was bone stock. A lot of it depends on Driver.

Brandon97Z
09-20-2005, 02:25 PM
I was just asking a question. Dont get offended because the only cool car you have is a Cavalier. My cobalt is my daily gas saver not a car I see running scarry fast at the drags.
What do you do for a living automotive wizard? Because I really doubt you know more than me about cars. :lol:

Whats your problem bud :wtf: ? All he said was the reason they look like the GTO a bit was because of the rear window and you get mad and make it a pissing contest. Who cares that your coablt is your daily driver since thats what it is used for by most people. Grow up Chuck and get off your high hourse. sorry now back on topic

phxSS
09-20-2005, 02:52 PM
svt focus has VVT, 170hp, 6 speed. weighs over 100 lbs less, and runs mid-high 15's. 2.4 will be the same, guaranteed

MikeSS
09-20-2005, 03:19 PM
I guess we will find out after this weekend.

Brandon97Z
09-20-2005, 04:52 PM
Yeah but the focus also only had 130 lb/tq. the 2.4 has what 30-40 more. I think it will be a bit quicker. Like the rest of guessed low-mid 15's.

MikeSS------how many miles have you put on it so far? I'm intrested how the car feels after break-in

chevyracing19
09-20-2005, 05:32 PM
i drove a 2.4 SS 5 speed at the dealership the other day and there a good enough engine. I mean i havn't got to drive a SS/SC yet, but the 2.4 has some pepiness and is a nice smooth engine. I would love to see a supercharger availible for these in the near future! it could definitely be a mid to low 13 second car!

SS4ME
09-20-2005, 06:23 PM
15.4@91MPH all day. That is the best it will do in my opinion.

MikeSS
09-20-2005, 06:38 PM
The engine has changed so much since I bought it. It is as 2500KM right now and should be at about 3000 when I run it this weekend.

I'll just keep my mouth shut about times till I run it.

Ardskoay
09-20-2005, 09:40 PM
Around 1400 miles i noticed that mine started to feel peppier. It is surprisingly quick after 4k rpms. I just wish it had a bit more in it before that. I want to take mine to the track. But I am afraid something beyond my control will happen, like a tire blowing out, or a deer running onto the track. That would be just my luck and then the insurance will not cover it and I will be out a car. I know I sound like a sissy. But I have to be realistic. Also do you have to bring a helmet, or do they let you borrow one at most tracks? Thanks.

phxSS
09-20-2005, 09:40 PM
Yeah but the focus also only had 130 lb/tq. the 2.4 has what 30-40 more. I think it will be a bit quicker. Like the rest of guessed low-mid 15's.

MikeSS------how many miles have you put on it so far? I'm intrested how the car feels after break-in


Actually, it has 145 tq. But, 80% of that torque comes at a low 2200rpm. The 2.4 only has 18 lbs more tq. Nothing to write home about. Like I said..mid-high 15's guaranteed.

MikeSS
09-20-2005, 11:41 PM
No helmets are required to run at a track if it is a car slower then 13.999.

And we know all about the focus and its tq.

Brandon97Z
09-21-2005, 01:08 AM
Ehh i keep thinking the SS's have 175 tq like they first said. o well i guess we'll have to wait until people hit the tracks. Anybody seen any tq figures for the 2.4? I'll will say that i know the solstice w/ the 2.4 i think hit 15.8 in a recent mag test. Very dissapointed.

phxSS
09-21-2005, 01:48 AM
I believe the torque is 163 lb/ft

cs_88
09-21-2005, 02:35 AM
svt focus has VVT, 170hp, 6 speed. weighs over 100 lbs less, and runs mid-high 15's. 2.4 will be the same, guaranteed
But the focus was a 2.0....
I still think the 2.4 will get like a 15.3 or so.

phxSS
09-21-2005, 04:30 AM
Engine size doesn't matter when the two cars are putting out almost identical numbers stock. the focus is a good bit lighter also.

I guess that means the 2.4 can easily be made faster than an Evo also? (2.0L engine)

brentil
09-23-2005, 11:20 AM
Around 1400 miles i noticed that mine started to feel peppier. It is surprisingly quick after 4k rpms.
A lot fo Solstice owners are saying that too. After the first 1000 miles the engine defintely seems to become more lively.

six7witha4spd
09-27-2005, 06:58 AM
[QUOTE=Brandon97Z]Whats your problem bud :wtf: ? All he said was the reason they look like the GTO a bit was because of the rear window and you get mad and make it a pissing contest. Who cares that your coablt is your daily driver since thats what it is used for by most people. Grow up Chuck and get off your high hourse. sorry now back on topic[/QUOTE
Sorry, I see your point. I read it late at night. Looks like your feathers got a little bit ruffled to eh? And my name is not Chuck. Thanks.