Well I have to put new sleeves in and wondering what everyone's experience was. I just want to know:

Sleeve type (ie. Darton 100-500)
Sleeve cost
Installation cost
other work done (ie hottank, honing, boring, rebuilding)

Mine is going to be :

Darton 100-500
$675 Sleeve cost :twothumbs
$600 labor
HotTank & Honing

Dude Why do you need new sleaves? I have done a bunch at work, really easy there is a puller installer tool and then a cutter to machine down the top. You can easily do it in the car once the head is off it only takes about an hour. These were factory sleaves, I don't know about the darton ones.

dude you got ripped off.. My sleeves were free with the tee shirt i got lol

I blew my rings out in #2 and it fuct up my sleeve

Are the Darton ones stronger and will they fit the block without machining? Is that the p#

That's what I'm trying to get at. Darton ones ire suppose to be much stronger. I e-mailed Darton and that is the quote that they gave me. Thay also said that they would also have to do some R&D before thety can install them. They make the kits for the 2.2. I know, I know I tried to tell them but, they want to make sure the casting is the same.

Wicked ! any Idea how much power the stock ones are good for? I am doing a motor right now and maybe this is something I should look into.

I have no Idea but I'd like to know too

I'm rebuilding my motor right now too

The stock sleeves didn't fail did they? it was more like the piston failed and damaged the sleeves?

^^^^^^^^^exactly...well the rings failed and damaged the piston and the sleeve

can I get more input....please



BTW SPAZ do you want to sell the valve shit you just bought? I'm VERY interested ;)

Ah fuck it, just run it with busted sleeves, lol.

the stockers are good for a while i think i think they shoudl be good for 600 hp, but dont quote me, when do they change in the ecotec building, i think they change blocks before they change sleeves,

so IMO, and what i did was, stick with a stocker, i got gipped on labour from the dealer, they charged me 400 to change a sleeve, took the asshole 3.5 hours

the stockers are good for a while i think i think they shoudl be good for 600 hp, but dont quote me, when do they change in the ecotec building, i think they change blocks before they change sleeves,

so IMO, and what i did was, stick with a stocker, i got gipped on labour from the dealer, they charged me 400 to change a sleeve, took the asshole 3.5 hours

I told you to bring it to Calgary and I would have changed your sleave for you.O well.

And M88 I can't sell the stuff I need it so I can wrap the tach.:lol:

I guess I'm going to have to buy them from a vendor :(

CED there on sale and got them to me quick


also spaz i totally forgot that u could do it, otherwise trust me i would have

where is the best place 2 get a stock sleve my #1 is done 4

Crate engine depot

a friend of mine blew is number 4 and 1 ringlands and was thinking about getting sleeves done. The cost and labor ended up being so much he decided to go with a new GM race block instead with all the goodies....currently under construction.

so does darton make sleeves for the 2.0? I was looking into upgrading pistons and rods, and while I had it apart was gonna put some new sleeves in as well,

I had a 1969 Pontiac 400 block bored 200 over and all 8 cylinders sleeved then the sleeves bored to except 455 pistons so when it was finished it displaced 427 cubic inches or 7.0 liters for those who don't know CI. The engine was bullet proof and dynoed to over 600 hp with almost 700 ft of torque. The redline was 10,000 rpm but it never saw much past 9000 cause of the cams power band ended at 9100.

Sleeves aren't bad at all from my experences with them. Hell all the top fuel dragsters run them so they can't be half bad.

so jackalope do you know off hand how much the LSJ's sleeves could be bored out, I wanna do pistons and rods, and I want to pick up a little more displacement.

I havent heard of anything like a stroker kit for our cars, so I was assuming the good old fashioned bore it out method.

Sorry man I don't know the limits of the ECO engines but yeah the same way they bore out any engine is how ours is done.

kk thanks man, just trying to figure out if i want overbore pistons or not

If you want to stroke it, use a 2.2 rotating assembly. There are some things that will need to be worked out though. One is the reluctor ring on the crank, and another is the flywheel bolt pattern. Then you can also bore it out about .5mm over.

It can be done, just won't be a weekend job.

frazier so the sleeves can be bored a full half inch?!?! or is that a mistype?

By .5 I really meant .5mm.

The stockers used in the GM build didn't fail till over 700hp. So I don't think your going to have a problem with them. Now if you want to go with more then .5mm of overbore, I know Darton makes a +1 (87mm) for the 2.2. Should fit fine in an LSJ. Bigger then that and you might need to get custom sleeves made.

ahh, so darton does make a larger sleeve , does it require any modification to the block itself?\

That's what I'm trying to get at. Darton ones ire suppose to be much stronger. I e-mailed Darton and that is the quote that they gave me. Thay also said that they would also have to do some R&D before thety can install them. They make the kits for the 2.2. I know, I know I tried to tell them but, they want to make sure the casting is the same.Its the same for the 2.2 and 2.0, different for the 2.4,I know I had mine done on the rebuild

golden eagle does block sleeving on ecotecs. hondas are $850 and i would assume ecotecs arent much more if any seeing as they have the same sleeve style as hondas (open deck)

goldeneaglemfg.com

Its the same for the 2.2 and 2.0, different for the 2.4,I know I had mine done on the rebuild

I wish darton would accept that answer.

just order the sleeves from darton anyways, we all know there the same lol

let me rephrase myself, there the same for the 2.0L and 2.2

what does the 2.4 have for bore

Bore is 88mm on the 2.4, with a 98mm stroke.

I wanted a reputable company to do my block. I don't trust many engine builders out here.

thats why i did it myself, take my time and follow directions from the book very very carefully, i even found a couple goofy things that gm does, that well is weird, like who the fuck wants to use angle sockets. its easier just to go with torque specs, that way u can re torque the studs half hour later