Before I pay for this, does anyone already have this info?
http://www.sae.org/technical/standards/CPGM1_08LNFCOBA

EDIT: Info posted by jgarciarivera here:
http://www.cobaltss.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1596841&postcount=63

Scope:
This product includes information on the manufacturer, engine, application, testing location, certified maximum horsepower, certified maximum torque along with the certified curves of horsepower and torque over a wide range of engine RPM speeds.

Thanks to our visitor Ryan for the tip
:cssNET:


For those that don't know, SAE (SAE International) tests all engines before they go into production to make sure the specs they are calming on the engine meet the international standard. (I learned this on the History Channel :thumb: )
About SAE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_of_Automotive_Engineers


Fell free to email Chevy and ask them about it.
http://www.chevrolet.com/contactus/getinformation/

Before I pay for this, does anyone already have this info?
http://www.sae.org/technical/standards/CPGM1_08LNFCOBA

Scope:
This product includes information on the manufacturer, engine, application, testing location, certified maximum horsepower, certified maximum torque along with the certified curves of horsepower and torque over a wide range of engine RPM speeds.



Thanks to our visitor Ryan for the tip
:cssNET:

nice, not gonna lie, if this comes to be, i'll trade my 06 on that car.

im trying to find a place to download it at illegally off the web anywhere so you dont have to spend the money on it. unless you want to pay for it?

what is this exactly? does not elaborate enough.

Turbo Cobalt is in!

2008.5
^^
Looks like theyre coming out with a turbo cobalt halfway thru the 2008 model year

hmmm...pretty interesting. i'll be interested in this car.


wonder if my recaros will fit in the new one...

wonder if my recaros will fit in the new one...

According to a plant manager at Lordstown, the new SS's will have similar seats that you see in the Turbo HHR.

this car is gonna be badass...look out srt-4's

Turbo Cobalt is in!

2008.5
^^
Looks like theyre coming out with a turbo cobalt halfway thru the 2008 model year

That was my guess when i first saw the LNF information in the GM parts screens for the '08 Cobalt when i was working at the Car plant.

ehh im in it for the seats lol im keeping the cobalt because i rather an aftermarket turbo but by them who knows lol maybe ill buy an LNF from a wreck.

Before I pay for this, does anyone already have this info?
http://www.sae.org/technical/standards/CPGM1_08LNFCOBA

Scope:
This product includes information on the manufacturer, engine, application, testing location, certified maximum horsepower, certified maximum torque along with the certified curves of horsepower and torque over a wide range of engine RPM speeds.

Thanks to our visitor Ryan for the tip
:cssNET:


For those that don't know, SAE (SAE International) tests all engines before they go into production to make sure the specs they are calming on the engine meet the international standard. (I learned this on the History Channel :thumb: )
About SAE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_of_Automotive_Engineers


Fell free to email Chevy and ask them about it.



I'm buying that info

Does anyone know if the Transmission is changing... i;m not sure if this has been answered in another post... but a change in 1st gear would be nice given the expected new hp!

wow this is going to be crazy I can not wait till this happens I am def trading the sedan in for it. do yu guys think it will be availble on a sedan? and do you think they will offer it both in automatic and manual transmission or just manual like the supercharger to make it feel more sporty. But hey I think that they should just come out with a 2.2 supercharger or turbo kit for us GM guys scion TC's have the TRD department why cant we do something like that idk beats me. ok guys ill be back on the boards tommrow im sure this will have plenty of views and replies by tommorow goodnight all.

Hmmmm should i save up for this car now and not do my engine swap? lol im guessing they are going to be around the same price as the ss/sc??

A small teaser!!


http://a204.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/33/l_7161fb27c88c9cd174b78dab1c5e00e3.jpg

awesome, and in 2 and a half years when my lease is up i will be able to buy the latest model after all the bugs are worked out and the aftermarket is going good, just like my car now :)

ehhh...i'm pretty happy with my supercharger. i'll wait awhile i think before thinking about getting the turbo'ed version.


i mean, if you don't draw the here, where do you draw it? i wonder if it is vvt and gets comparable gas mileage.

A small teaser!!


http://a204.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/33/l_7161fb27c88c9cd174b78dab1c5e00e3.jpg



:cssNET: the debate is over.

omg, i wonder what this will do to our resale value....

I LOVE my supercharger and the sound that comes with it......but it would be nice to have a base car turbo'd @ roughly 260HP vs a base supercharged 205HP car. I've upgraded to my mods now and I'm between 250 and 260HP I'm guessing. I like the idea that they did not seem to change the look of the car that much. I love the styling of our cars. Maybe this is all BS but the thought is very tempting. yummy

ehhh...i'm pretty happy with my supercharger. i'll wait awhile i think before thinking about getting the turbo'ed version.


i mean, if you don't draw the here, where do you draw it? i wonder if it is vvt and gets comparable gas mileage.

X2 i am just curious if the turbos have just as much problems as the supercharged cars

if this does come out...get ready to spend at least 30,000. i mite just have to wait or wait a lil longer for the camaro ss. then put a turbo on that bitch..hahah totally different story then a turbo cobalt..well see guys

hahahahahahaha im getting gitty just thinking about trading my 2.2l in hahahaha this is sofa king cool

the price will be about the same as the lsj. probably ~22k with minimal options. just my guess.


yep i edit that...

26k...

nah wudnt be that low..i think at least arond 25k or higher..look at the sky,solstice and hhr are all priced around 30,000. gm is smart..cobalt if comes out will be 25k or higher..well see if it comes out. if its 25k or close maybe ill think bout tradin my cobalt in for it..that camaro does look nice too. damn GM..makin choices harder if this turbo balt comes out

nah wudnt be that low..i think at least arond 25k or higher..look at the sky,solstice and hhr are all priced around 30,000. gm is smart..cobalt if comes out will be 25k or higher..well see if it comes out. if its 25k or close maybe ill think bout tradin my cobalt in for it..that camaro does look nice too. damn GM..makin choices harder if this turbo balt comes out

you are so right...although i think it's going to be on the bottom edge of that price range.

fuck n i just got my balt ....to .....fuck it ....trade it in now baby ....oooooohhhhh yesssssssssssssss

Awesome news!!!!

I have always wished that I got the SS/sc since I got my balt, and now is my chance to have a SS/TC. I guess I'll have to just trade it in. No more mods for me!!

:nuts: :nuts: :nuts:

I used to sell cars and knowing GM this car will definately be in the mid 22 to 23,000 dollar range, they want to compete with the Mazdaspeed3 and the new f`ugly SRT Caliber. This new lnf Cobalt will be sweet, no more modding for me.......screw the whole full exhaust mod im getting that masterchief 360 edition lol!!!

HMM have a modded SS/SC and a new bike in the spring oooorrr get a SS/TC?????

Interesting news I must say; I just hope that after disappearing from the line-up that when the SS comes back, only the TC version will be an SS and the 2.4L will be an RS. I get tired of hearing SS/SC. I don't hear people having to say SRT4 turbo, b/c we all know that it's there. New Cobalt SS = has a turbo. Now they may want to badge and say TURBO everywhich way to get the message across and differentiate b/n SC and TC; but for those of us that really know the cars and really care, we will know.

*Looks into wallet fly flies out* Ah hell I think I may try to buy one anyways w00t.

Whoever said watch out SRT-4's is funny. More like game over SRT-4's and watch out STi's and EVO's. Then just wait for Stage 2 TC, oh jesus.

Wait...where are all the people saying GM will NEVER put a turbo in the Cobalt??


This is awesome and I could see myself getting this in the future.

probably the most credible "turbo cobalt" thread to date.

seeing as though the maro and G8 will be on the plate around that time though.
theres not a chance in hell id be stupid enough to buy another FWD.

hmm interesting since gm announced no astra redline lol wonder if that'll change too, turbo'd GM's FTW

what? now i have to choose between ss/sc or evo X.

what? now i have to choose between tc'ed ss or evo X.

fixed:lol:

what? now i have to choose between ss/sc or evo X.

Well according to pure fwhp and weight and transmission comparisons (no wars please), the SS/TC would beat the EVO MR.

fixed:lol:

:cssNET:

does this mean more cobalt's in 12's and lower.

:cssNET:

does this mean more cobalt's in 12's and lower.

i think paul walker can now make you a 10 second balt:lol: :lol:

i think paul walker can now make you a 10 second balt:lol: :lol:

haha u had to do it..lol too funny

haha u had to do it..lol too funny

haha yup you know it... i heard a knock so i let myself in :lol:
plus it's the truth ya know? stage 3 should be an 11 second car if not stage 2, a good turbo swap, full bolt ons, turbo timer, and massive tuning will make this car an easy beast

i wonder if the tail lights changed.. hmm you guys can ask the ls2 GTO's after you throw on your hazards :lol:

Any word yet on the transmissions? I'd love to see them offer something other than just five speed manuals. The Getrag transmission already in the SS/SCs are only rated up to 240hp.

Holy shit! I'll be trading in my 06 for the SS/TC if this comes to pass for sure

Good, now maybe I can afford a plain SS. lol

Well according to pure fwhp and weight and transmission comparisons (no wars please), the SS/TC would beat the EVO MR.

:lol: You guys crack me up.


EVO X = 3500lbs / 300 = 11.66
08 SS = 2971 / 260 = 11.42

Looks like a driver's race to me. And let's not forget that the EVO uses the exact engine in the SRT4 and the SRT4 engine is putting out 315 at the crank.

:lol: You guys crack me up.


EVO X = 3500lbs / 300 = 11.66
08 SS = 2971 / 260 = 11.42

Looks like a driver's race to me. And let's not forget that the EVO uses the exact engine in the SRT4 and the SRT4 engine is putting out 315 at the crank.

so it's going to be a 2.4 for evo x?;)

i think paul walker can now make you a 10 second balt:lol: :lol:

is he a supporting vendor?:D

you guys are already talkin about stage kits.........
jesus christ LMFAO!

Any word yet on the transmissions? I'd love to see them offer something other than just five speed manuals. The Getrag transmission already in the SS/SCs are only rated up to 240hp.

Aparently the F35 and the F40 will be the only offered transmissions. I am sure the F35 will be upgraded a bit.

Nice, I hope they do a refresh on the interior like the radio and A/C controls, and including the vents! Those vents are horrible! Not to mention the cupholders too!

Great stats though...I am interested in the price...prob going to be considerably more than we paid....hope they fix the sunroof issue as well.

I am definately not getting the sunroof. No need to have extra crap that can go wrong with an awesome car. I am gonna get the 6 speed manual with LSD if optional, and Recaros if optional, and that is it.

Ooooooooooooooooooohhhhh!!!! I can't wait!!!

Like I said in another thread. You can buy through the Costco Auto Buy Program. You can get the car for the same price as an employee would pay.

Just trying to help out.:cssNET:

you guys are already talkin about stage kits.........
jesus christ LMFAO!

supposedly they have them planned plus swapping out for a better turbo is an easy way to make more power

This kicks ass!!!!!

Am I screwed for getting this cause mine ss/sc is leased?

Found this info hopefully this helps

http://cobaltss.net/gallery/files/4/5/6/0/untitled.JPG

For 2008, the Cobalt SS will be turbocharged. For 2009, the 2.2 will be the LAP instead of the L61.

There is also a possibility of a six-speed manual transmission.

Designed for a torque rate of up to 400 Nm, the new six-speed manual transmission by Fiat-GM-Powertrain, internally named F40 transmission, is a new torque transmission benchmark for FWD cars with transverse engine and transmission installation. Development of the new transmission was led by Opel Powertrain GmbH in Rüsselsheim, Germany. It was first used in the Opel Signum and Vectra in combination with the 2.0 Turbo Ecotec, the 1.9 CDTI, and 3.0 V6 CDTI Ecotec engines. During the development phase of the compact, low mass manual transmission, simple matching provisions for Saab, Pontiac, Fiat, Lancia, and Alfa Romeo models were also included.

Administrator:
I got the official document of dynos and spec sheet. I can post it or send the info to you and you decide. Let me know.

post post post!

post please.

Administrator:
I got the official document of dynos and spec sheet. I can post it or send the info to you and you decide. Let me know.


go for it :thumb:

prove it!

how much psi

http://a472.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/112/l_8061ac6224283f8d6031c11bec4f8acf.jpg


http://a531.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/29/l_6732a25dc9c279913a7a995b3f29572a.jpg

how'd they manage to get the torque line to look like that i wonder

all i have to say is im mad i just got my 07 haha

The question is...will direct injection make it expensive as shit to stage up...

And when does the LSJ to LNF swap kit come out?!?

wow that turbo sounds like it will be fun.


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Im a little interested to see what they change to get that much hp reliably, considering the problems many are finding now. That may help us SC owners to safely 'up ours. Would be nice if it was simply slapping in a new fuel rail or something like that.

To me the SC was the one thing that kep (in my mind atleast) the car from being just another ricer. But HP is HP, and sometimes it hurts to be different.

im tradin my car for this bitch thats for sure

if they come out with one for the g5 ill be tradeing mine it for it

Anyone notice the date in the title of the dyno sheet?????? March 05?

a release date? i know 08 cars are coming out now so will it be by the end of this year or wat? Im trading my 06 in for this i dont care what the payments are.

Anyone notice the date in the title of the dyno sheet?????? March 05?

That is the date of the form they use. Look at the date below the signature.. May 3, 07

check this out. from what I saw from BSR's website their stage 1 kit for the sky redline which i believe is just a tune goes from 265 to 312 hp and has a launch control for first gear which is sick.

http://en.bsrab.se/products/t1126/

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/6783/lnfstage1ow9.png (http://imageshack.us)

check this out. from what I saw from BSR's website their stage 1 kit for the sky redline which i believe is just a tune goes from 265 to 312 hp and has a launch control for first gear which is sick.

http://en.bsrab.se/products/t1126/

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/6783/lnfstage1ow9.png (http://imageshack.us)

*salivates*

Anyone notice the date in the title of the dyno sheet?????? March 05?

it also says the engine herein described was tested on 05-03-07

best part is if you need to go in for warranty work you can put the base turn on in less than 5 minutes.

*salivates*
supposedly the sky RL's have 3 built in tunes... track, drag and DD adjusting the car for power in each i think thats bitchin

supposedly the sky RL's have 3 built in tunes... track, drag and DD adjusting the car for power in each i think thats bitchin

yeah but u'd think after all this time they'd have more after market. seems like they have 2 exhaust systems, fujita cai, front mount intercooler upgrade, and a tuning programmer.

:cry: Its just,... so beautiful.:cry:

Any word yet on the transmissions? I'd love to see them offer something other than just five speed manuals. The Getrag transmission already in the SS/SCs are only rated up to 240hp.

First of all the ss/sc's don’t have a Getrag they have a saab transmission, and the tc's will have the same one as the GTO's from what I have read.

i...will...have...one...

count me in for one.

First of all the ss/sc's don’t have a Getrag they have a saab transmission, and the tc's will have the same one as the GTO's from what I have read.

No that's the Tremec T-56 tranny in the GTOs.

The 2.2L/2.4L balts do use a Getrag tranny the SS and Redline have a german made tranny.

The F40 is made by the same German company that made the F35.

does anyone think it would be terribly expensive or difficult to swap the engine from these new balts into one of our older ones?

Jeez right when i decide that im going to trade my car in for a SC...Now i have to think about it..again! I guess it all depends on how fast i pay this car down....

I wounder what colors their gonna make it in... they better make a white one damn it! lol.

does anyone think it would be terribly expensive or difficult to swap the engine from these new balts into one of our older ones?

Probably about as hard as swapping a LSJ in place of a L61. Probably cost around 15K all said and done.

Lets just say that I considered modifying the Cavilier SC for the 2.2L and running a piggyback at one time, but instantly decided that I would never in a million years even attempt to swap the LNF in place of my L61. Too much $$.:thumbsdow

I wounder what colors their gonna make it in... they better make a white one damn it! lol.

I kinda want an orange again, but would definately consider a black or a white one. White balt with black interior and white seat inserts FTMFW!!

*splooge* bye bye modding, now i gotta save and make principle payments so i can trade when the time comes!

i can't fckn believe i bought a 07 ss/sc........ i swear to god if gm doesn't make sum sorta freaken pipeing for the ss/sc guys to go to the turbo im gonna b pretty saddened...and im guessing that aftermarket turbo's for us ss/sc guys is at what 260-270 hp? (only problem i see with going after market turbo and being at that 260-270 hp range..WTF! do u do to get more horse power after..cause other wise if 260-270 is maxed out wouldn't it be better to get the 08 turbo balt at stock 260-270 and then get stage kits from gm?)

*splooge* bye bye modding, now i gotta save and make principle payments so i can trade when the time comes!

Amen to that brotha!! Cant wait for this!!!

when you first log on to cobaltss.net at the bottom there is a place to read about the end of the supercharged ss. new emissions regulations being the key factor for scrapping the car. this release of info is a few months after the sae approved test. so what if you found the test results. is the ss car even listed on chevys site for 08? no! i see the HHR SS but no Cobalt SS. i,d love to be proved wrong, because i want to see a LNF car as well.

i looked at emissions information for all upcoming gm 08 models that was provided and the date is august 1. maybe the LNF Cobalt just wasn't removed from the info????????

i really hope those comes out by january and that the car is like 21,000..

Next January, yes.

I'm going to say this new Cobalt SS/TC will have Shift paddles on the steering wheel option to compete with Evo X. If u look at the new malibu its got that option and its look just like the new models of cobalt steering wheel. I'm going to hold off trading in my 2.2l for this shit I'm pumped for this to come out.

I'm going to say this new Cobalt SS/TC will have Shift paddles on the steering wheel option to compete with Evo X. If u look at the new malibu its got that option and its look just like the new models of cobalt steering wheel. I'm going to hold off trading in my 2.2l for this shit I'm pumped for this to come out.

shift paddles are so gay. that's why i would never by the evo x

shift paddles are so gay. that's why i would never by the evo x

Amen. I'd rather take a 1990 Ford Probe shift box that is sloppy as fuck and moves around then shift paddles.

Unless it's a Lambo or something.

What turbo comes on this motor again?

What turbo comes on this motor again?

If you were the greatest member of all time you would know :lol: j/k
I would like to also know this. All I can say it I hope a t3/t4 turbo would be an easy swap.

Hmm my lease ends in June of 08.......

What turbo comes on this motor again?

a tiny tiny one ... thats all that matters :lol: seriously that volute is soo tiny

I was thinking maybe it wasn't so tiny since usually the TQ would be up past the hp if it was getting the shit spun out of it. but thats kinda of a flaky rule to go by.

haha, im gonna be one of the first people to own this car...

I'm keeping my SS/SC forever and buying the BMW 135 in 2009.

idk well see ill test drive it first

i saw the shift paddles..so its going to be auto with shift paddles and manual?

I'm not going to go through the whole thread but...

It's going to be a 2009 model...there are no such things as 2008.5 model cars. They come out mid year sometimes.

meh.

I'm not going to go through the whole thread but...

It's going to be a 2009 model...there are no such things as 2008.5 model cars. They come out mid year sometimes.

There is such a thing. Mazda just did it with one of their cars in 2004.5 I believe. I saw the info in a book at work, I can double check again. They do come out mid-end year, and it is usually a couple of changes. I wouldn't expect the car to come out until September of 2008.

check this out. from what I saw from BSR's website their stage 1 kit for the sky redline which i believe is just a tune goes from 265 to 312 hp and has a launch control for first gear which is sick.

http://en.bsrab.se/products/t1126/

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/6783/lnfstage1ow9.png (http://imageshack.us)



*salivates*

I wouldn't. 959 Euro's = 1,366.38 USD

Turbo *sneeze*... meh. I'll wait for my baby.
http://www.motorauthority.com/wp-content/uploads/GM/Camaro/0606phr_08_camaro_concept_side_z.jpg

Turbo *sneeze*... meh. I'll wait for my baby.
http://www.motorauthority.com/wp-content/uploads/GM/Camaro/0606phr_08_camaro_concept_side_z.jpg

agreed.

I can understand why all the N/A guys might want to jump all over this... but I must ask, all the SS/SC guys that are drooling over the new SS/TC.... if you love turbo so much, why the hell did you get a cobalt SC? why the hell not something else turbo? bleh

I think I just shot a load when I looked at those numbers! My lease runs till 8/2010 and by then this mofo will be ready!

Turbo *sneeze*... meh. I'll wait for my baby.
http://www.motorauthority.com/wp-content/uploads/GM/Camaro/0606phr_08_camaro_concept_side_z.jpg

Likewise, but a different kind of baby.... :guns:

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i56/xravenwingsx/challenger_drawing.jpg

so what does it look like??

I wouldn't. 959 Euro's = 1,366.38 USD

just so you guys know, that is crank power, not wheel power. Ive been fishing around on the sky redline sites and they have been having problems exceeding 300 whp.

so what does it look like??



just so you guys know, that is crank power, not wheel power. Ive been fishing around on the sky redline sites and they have been having problems exceeding 300 whp.

on a stock turbo maybe.. but i dunno how it would have trouble making 300 WHP otherwise

stage 1 should be around 250 WHP so with bolt ons a better tune and such is should be at like 270 or so meh who knows

i cant wait to line up with one YAY

this makes me mad that i bout tha 08 2.2
i wonder if there gonna make any mods so u can put tha tc on tha 2.2's
i should have waited for these to come out maybe tryed to get a 6-speed instead of tha 5-speed
o well i love ma car
ill find a way to get tha tc on there lol
even if i need ducktape to hold it all together ill make it work
lol
no fa real thought these cars sound fiyah
i wonder what colors there comin out in 2 i like tha burnt orange n black personally
the horsepower on these new 1 are almost double ma lil 2.2
that makes me feel like shit

on a stock turbo maybe.. but i dunno how it would have trouble making 300 WHP otherwise

stage 1 should be around 250 WHP so with bolt ons a better tune and such is should be at like 270 or so meh who knows

yea, thats what Im talking about, on a stock turbo. There are no sky RL turbo upgrade options out there yet.

yea, thats what Im talking about, on a stock turbo. There are no sky RL turbo upgrade options out there yet.

there should be just the market is brand new at the moment by the time they release the HHR SS and the balt ss there should be.. i mean swap the flange on the exhaust manifold, then bolt a new turbo lol

I doubt this has much relevance to GM but I'd figure give it a shot.

http://www.autoblog.com/2005/03/30/gravana-and-gm-to-create-300hp-cobalt/

there should be just the market is brand new at the moment by the time they release the HHR SS and the balt ss there should be.. i mean swap the flange on the exhaust manifold, then bolt a new turbo lol

hahn is currently working on one. We can expect a beast setup from them, especially since they made a NA upgrade kit that runs 350+ to the wheels. Can u imagine how nicer a kit would be with the direct injected LNF. Id predict an easy 400 HP car if hahn uses the LNF as a platform for stage kits.

meh the turbo one is nice, but all the competetion uses turbos, srt-4, wrx, evo, mini cooper, audi, v-dubs. atleast whoever has the ss s/c is different lol

meh the turbo one is nice, but all the competetion uses turbos, srt-4, wrx, evo, mini cooper, audi, v-dubs. atleast whoever has the ss s/c is different lol

They use it for a reason...

yeah i know, turbos are better but w/e i like my car and cant get rid of it anytime soon

yeah i know, turbos are better but w/e i like my car and cant get rid of it anytime soon
Likewise. If I do get rid of it it will be sometime in mid to late 2008 after it is paid off.

Also this is finally hard proof of this car coming out. I also heard form someone who works for GM (Parts devision) that there was in fact a Turbo coming out with horsepower around 275.

I don't know how they dyno the engines or anything but if the Solstice and Sky put down 260 to the rear wheels, the front wheel Cobalt should have higher hp ratings correct? Unless they just dyno the engine without the power going through the drive train.

Does anyone know if the Transmission is changing... i;m not sure if this has been answered in another post... but a change in 1st gear would be nice given the expected new hp!

Idk specifics but i heard there going to have something called a no lift system were you do not need to take your foot off the clutch in order to change gears


what engine is this going to be? any way the 2.2s out there can benefit by getting a cheaper turbo?

I don't know how they dyno the engines or anything but if the Solstice and Sky put down 260 to the rear wheels, the front wheel Cobalt should have higher hp ratings correct? Unless they just dyno the engine without the power going through the drive train.

:lol:

They dyno engines on a stand and not in the car. It'll make less because of the alternator and the air conditioner.

I am very happy w/ my SC and not going back to turboland

I am curious how they are going to put all that power to the ground w/o stuff breaking....
geeze w/ stage 1 I have a hard time laying the power down.... Imagine the torque steer :lol:

IDK...but I am happy w/ my SC and it's plenty fast enough for me:twothumbs
I just got a ticket 3 weeks ago and thought I was just crusin' normally, so now I have to be good for a year after driving school to keep the ticket off my record...
so now I'm watching my speed.... everytime I put my foot in it, I look down and I'm already speeding... and I am just getting into 3rd:nuts:
I need more power.... like I need a hole in my head:nono:

ill have to ask around at work tommorow. 2006 fully paid off trade in plus employee pricing ? This could get fun in a hurry.:cool:

Not going back to quote comments :D

Adam - it is being released as an 08 to going along with all the current 08 Cobalts .

The LAP 2.2 - is not a replacement for the L61 . Its a Hybrid version of the 2.2 engine . Alot has changed with the Cobalt since that document , so dont expect it in 09 ....the last year of this body style . 2010 Cobalt on Delta 2 chassis( and built in Mexico ) is engineered out of the gate for a hybrid though .

Release date - 2nd quarter of 2008 which is mid spring .

What the fuck, how is that right? 260 ft-lb of torque at 2000 rpms? Must be even smaller then the srt-4's stock turbo. Anyone know what turbo it is?

The LNF uses the Borg Warner K04 Turbocharger

It is old news because no one would believe it UNLESS they saw it on the net.
And earlier series of posts I came out and stated it was coming out in the spring and I had see it first hand being tested by the Delphi Fuel Injection division here locally.

Its due to be released with a series of other car in Spring 08. Pontiac is also dropping the name Grand Prix for a new name of G-8 also to be released with it.

But as others had mentioned, I'll wait and drop a few grand, yes a few grand more to get the new Camaro.

when you first log on to cobaltss.net at the bottom there is a place to read about the end of the supercharged ss. new emissions regulations being the key factor for scrapping the car. this release of info is a few months after the sae approved test. so what if you found the test results. is the ss car even listed on chevys site for 08? no! i see the HHR SS but no Cobalt SS. i,d love to be proved wrong, because i want to see a LNF car as well.

i looked at emissions information for all upcoming gm 08 models that was provided and the date is august 1. maybe the LNF Cobalt just wasn't removed from the info????????

I don't know but even if it does come out. People ask how things won't break. Simple, you have to remember off the line it won't have as much power as the SS/SC. Your boosting right away with a SC and that is what puts so much stress on the axles. A turbo won't be getting full boost till its already off the line. This is both less stress and better for launching. I will be very interested in the new cobalt SS/TC if it comes out.

Im just waiting to see which will be more available... I was waiting for the new camaro but hmmmmm Very intriguing...

I don't know but even if it does come out. People ask how things won't break. Simple, you have to remember off the line it won't have as much power as the SS/SC. Your boosting right away with a SC and that is what puts so much stress on the axles. A turbo won't be getting full boost till its already off the line. This is both less stress and better for launching. I will be very interested in the new cobalt SS/TC if it comes out.

The Turbo motor has its FULL 260 lb/ft @ 2000 RPM and continues the full rating to 5300 . Regardless of instant boost , the LSJ's powerband doesnt start really shining until 4K . Its good thing they did some upgrading to the 2008 axles :)

I'll have one of the first ones...a reason NOT to get Camaro Z28 and GET a TC Cobalt SS is the fact that EVERY 09 Model Year camaro will be sold for 5-10k OVER sticker just like solstice has issues, camaro will have even more b/c of the fan base and the lack of a Chevy rwd v8 2+2 car in the past 5 years. So yeah I'd love a Camaro, but at that price, and with my family's GMS I could buy a Camaro how i want with options for the price of a base vette....i'd rather get the vette....so a TC Cobalt SS will get better MPG, mods up the ying yang, fwd in the winter in MI, lower payments, etc.

CobaltSScrazy

Plus, we'll be able to outhandle a camaro anyday of the week, just the same as the 3series will always outhandle the CTS, its smaller, more nimble, etc.

give me supercharged or give me death.... i have never enjoyed a turbo and prolly never will the lsj is gonna be a collectors

Good news... The SS Cobalt is resurrected!! Still want an 09 CTS-V though... :cssNET: :cssNET:

yea.. what's this gonna do to the value of the supercharged ss's? mostly the 05's

give me supercharged or give me death.... i have never enjoyed a turbo and prolly never will the lsj is gonna be a collectors

yeah collectors like the SVT 170hp Ford Focus hatches from 03-ish are LMAO :lol: sorry but if anything they'll just be underpowered antiquated technology like buying an LT1 F-body in 96 compared to a 98 LS1-powered F-body. one is clearly superior...S/C is cheaper, easier to do for the power, and easier to engineer and THATS why GM did it and not a turbo...

Power-wise ALWAYS...

ULTIMATE TURBO>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ultimate S/C...

its the truth!

CobaltSScrazy

PS: And I LOVE S/C cobalts, have since winter 03 when I heard about the SS-S/C. been my dream car for years...

does anyone know the drivetrain setup yet? Is it FWD or RWD???

I've been hearing FWD but I could be wrong.

I've been hearing FWD but I could be wrong.

Come on guys :lol: .....that one doesnt deserve and answer http://cobaltss.net/gallery/files/2/4/3/5/fryingpan.gif

It is definately FWD. The two tranny options for the vehicle are the F35 and F40. Both FWD only applications.

The LNF uses the Borg Warner K04 Turbocharger
Holy small turbo! I rather have your guys eaton instead of that thing. The srt-4 was going to come supercharged, that would of been interesting!

im probably not gonna go with tha new ss t/c
ima jus save up bout 3500 and buy tha turbo charger upgrade kit from cobaltperormanceparts.com
its suppose to b the entire kit so yea
i got that 2.2 so yea ill prob get more hp with puttin tha turbo on there then gettin tha ss t/c with tha 2.0 turbo
wouldnt u agree?
i rele needa start savin so i can make this car more beautiful then it already is

Excuse the foul language but I just wante to say fuckin "A" right. its about time GM stepped up and did something right like using a turbo instead of a blower on a 4 cyl car. The new 2008.5 Cabalt SS is going to ber a powerhouse. I just hope they do the same with the new Saturn Astra i.e a REDLINE version. as the years go on they need to keep upping the power out put of these domestic sport compact cars. pony wars here we come again. Send Honda EVO and the rest of these japaneese car companys back to the drawing tables in the near future. Speaking of the EVO I'm not going to lie, I would have no issue what so ever dropping 30K on a 300 AWHP cobalt SS or Astra if either were to ever exist in the near future.

Holy small turbo! I rather have your guys eaton instead of that thing. The srt-4 was going to come supercharged, that would of been interesting!

Rememer though I would bet that GM has more up thier sleeves. they will probably offer a off the shelf turbo kit like Mopar did with you guys in the stage III

Excuse the foul language but I just wante to say fuckin "A" right. its about time GM stepped up and did something right like using a turbo instead of a blower on a 4 cyl car. The new 2008.5 Cabalt SS is going to ber a powerhouse. I just hope they do the same with the new Saturn Astra i.e a REDLINE version. as the years go on they need to keep upping the power out put of these domestic sport compact cars. pony wars here we come again. Send Honda EVO and the rest of these japaneese car companys back to the drawing tables in the near future. Speaking of the EVO I'm not going to lie, I would have no issue what so ever dropping 30K on a 300 AWHP cobalt SS or Astra if either were to ever exist in the near future.



Rememer though I would bet that GM has more up thier sleeves. they will probably offer a off the shelf turbo kit like Mopar did with you guys in the stage III

but that small turbo is still boosting to 260hp... i cant imagine what a bigger one would do

Holy small turbo! I rather have your guys eaton instead of that thing. The srt-4 was going to come supercharged, that would of been interesting!

The efficiency between the M62 and the K04 is MUCH different...

Plus with the air to air intercooling setup, it's much better than what the SS/SC uses.

My friend has a GXP with a scanner and there are times that the air after the intercooler is cooler than the outside temperature...

So it's plenty fine.

but that small turbo is still boosting to 260hp... i cant imagine what a bigger one would do


260. You will have around what a stock srt-4 had, but the 2.4 has a lot more torque.

Lets just hope gm doesnt decide to use that damn throttle limiting shit. 85% max throttle as the soltice and shit have. Fuck that!

I've been hearing FWD but I could be wrong.


Isn't the '10 Cobalt on the Delta II chassis? I know Cadillac is making a small sedan, possibly on this frame and it will be RWD... :cssNET: :cssNET:

Damn, that is a pretty crazy torque curve. Sadly it drops 60 ft-lbs of torque in 1000 rpm. That means when its done making power, its DONE :thumbsdow

So, they have certified numbers of 260 hp. That means stock for stock the LNF balt should be dynoing the same or maybe a little more than the LSJ balts.

I hope the LNF balt doesn't use the same ECM as the sol/sky. The sol/sky have a computer that constantly measures the amount of torque the engine is producing. When mods are done to improve hp/torque, the ecm notices this and gradually reduces power back to the stock settings. The sol/sky owners who have taken the car to a dyno immediately after the bolt ons had great results, such as 30whp from exhaust and intercooler. But within a week or two, the power level is back to stock. Some owners have disconnected the battery and noticed a huge increase in power that eventually drops off again. The only way to get increased power permanently is with a reflash/tune. :wtf:

I will pray for the LSJ ECM.;)

Where is the solid proof of this cobalt turbo? The SS line is done for the cobalts..... I want the proof! I work for GM and i haven't heard anything about a turbo cobalt.........

Damn, that is a pretty crazy torque curve. Sadly it drops 60 ft-lbs of torque in 1000 rpm. That means when its done making power, its DONE :thumbsdow

So, they have certified numbers of 260 hp. That means stock for stock the LNF balt should be dynoing the same or maybe a little more than the LSJ balts.

That isn't Crank horsepower.

Sol/Sky LNF's are dynoing 215-230whp stock. That means 225-240whp stock LNF balt.

Where is the solid proof of this cobalt turbo? The SS line is done for the cobalts..... I want the proof! I work for GM and i haven't heard anything about a turbo cobalt.........

Read the friggin threads!!!!!
Visit both of these links.
http://www.sae.org/technical/standards/CPGM1_08LNFCOBA

Read 3 posts down.
http://www.cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.php?t=81490&page=3

My dad also works for GM, and has not seen or heard anything because they are keeping this whole project under wraps. October 29th is supposed to be a big announcement of a Chevrolet sport compact.

That isn't Crank horsepower.

Sol/Sky LNF's are dynoing 215-230whp stock. That means 225-240whp stock LNF balt.



Read the friggin threads!!!!!
Visit both of these links.
http://www.sae.org/technical/standards/CPGM1_08LNFCOBA

Read 3 posts down.
http://www.cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.php?t=81490&page=3

My dad also works for GM, and has not seen or heard anything because they are keeping this whole project under wraps. October 29th is supposed to be a big announcement of a Chevrolet sport compact.


Forgive me for being a skeptic but i will believe when i see it...........

Damn, that is a pretty crazy torque curve. Sadly it drops 60 ft-lbs of torque in 1000 rpm. That means when its done making power, its DONE :thumbsdow

So, they have certified numbers of 260 hp. That means stock for stock the LNF balt should be dynoing the same or maybe a little more than the LSJ balts.

Why are you so concerned about torque at 1000 RPMs?

How is that sad? Isn't that what you cobalt guys like? It reaches it's max torque quickly and is still building power...what's the problem with that?

I hope to god it dynos more than a LSJ...

Why are you so concerned about torque at 1000 RPMs?

How is that sad? Isn't that what you cobalt guys like? It reaches it's max torque quickly and is still building power...what's the problem with that?

I hope to god it dynos more than a LSJ...

Oh you will see much more than the LSJ.

The LNF makes peak torque well before the LSJ does, and the LNF makes peak hp before the LSJ does. With a 3" exhaust, the LNF turbo doesn't choke on the top end, it levels out. A bolt on Solstice GXP also puts down more hp and much more torque than a StgII, bolt on, HP tuned LSJ Balt!!

Here's a couple of dynos for ya. I know that the conditions for each dyno aren't exactly the same, but these dynos seem to be pretty decent averages for most of these cars.

Cobalt SS/sc
Mods: GM Stage II, GMPP CAT Back, Intense 2.8" Pulley, K&N Typhoon, HP tuned
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u43/ArchienBalt/ScannedImage.jpg?t=1193499489
Pontiac Solstice GXP
Mods: Magnaflow 3" cat back exhaust and Fujita cold air intake
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u43/ArchienBalt/DynoChart.jpg?t=1193499464

Also remember that the GXP is a RWD car, so to get a FWD application, you add 3-5% to hp.

As for Blown 4-banger- Stop hatin'!!!:lol:

does any body know about ''AWD'' pack for the new 08 i was told by GM dealership

does any body know about ''AWD'' pack for the new 08 i was told by GM dealership

Say whaaaa?

does any body know about ''AWD'' pack for the new 08 i was told by GM dealership

There is NO awd Cobalt .

mine is...

:lol:

does any body know about ''AWD'' pack for the new 08 i was told by GM dealership

There is no AWD. Both the F35 and F40 (only available trannys for SS 08.5) are FWD only transmissions. No RWD, No AWD.

Cool, but not interested. I love my SS, and if I get another car, I'm not gonna build another Cobalt. I'm gonna do something entirely different so that it dosent feel like I'm modding the same car again.

Cool, but not interested. I love my SS, and if I get another car, I'm not gonna build another Cobalt. I'm gonna do something entirely different so that it dosent feel like I'm modding the same car again.

I'm with you on that.

anybody here a mention of price?

and i had one more question...

what is the engine built to hold stock?

our current 2.0 supercharged needs to have some internal work when we approach the 300 hp mark. if i have to drop a ton of $ on internals i see no benfit to the new engine. but if they build the bottom end to hold over 300 then i will step up.

it would be worth it to get rid of my hated huge wing.

Wow! Dont mean to be rude i dont know what all the comotio is about. It just might be .2 seconds faster in the quarter mile. and look out Srt-4" I have exhaust cold air 42mm injectors and thats basically it I pull them all day long! Two of my best friends have them and same mods, their uqick but they dont pull me 06 ss/sc

Oh wow, this is really good news, even if I am a couple of days late already. I guess my mom's Z4 will have to wait, guys. I'm getting a SS/TC next year :D :D :D

Wow! Dont mean to be rude i dont know what all the comotio is about. It just might be .2 seconds faster in the quarter mile. and look out Srt-4" I have exhaust cold air 42mm injectors and thats basically it I pull them all day long! Two of my best friends have them and same mods, their uqick but they dont pull me 06 ss/sc

haha Tell your friends to sell their cars! This comment is just retarded. I like cobalts so dont jump on my about that, but honestly.

42mm injectors

U fueling a cruise ship or a Cobalt ? :lol: :lol: :lol: Those would give a super soaker a run for their money .

anybody here a mention of price?

and i had one more question...

what is the engine built to hold stock?

our current 2.0 supercharged needs to have some internal work when we approach the 300 hp mark. if i have to drop a ton of $ on internals i see no benfit to the new engine. but if they build the bottom end to hold over 300 then i will step up.

it would be worth it to get rid of my hated huge wing.

LNF internals are good to around 450chp. Or around 380-390 whp in a FWD application.

I like the sounds of that :D

LNF internals are good to around 450chp. Or around 380-390 whp in a FWD application.

except that is extremely difficult to do since tuning is very complex with the LNF

LNF internals are good to around 450chp. Or around 380-390 whp in a FWD application.

HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT???????????????????????????


CobaltSScrazy

HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT???????????????????????????


CobaltSScrazy

I double checked my math, It should be around 340-350whp. I came to this conclusion since GM has been running the LNF stock turbo at 26-27psi. That would result in about 320whp, at that rate the turbo is running at about 50% efficiency. A slightly larger turbo will result in better efficiency, and around 340-350whp at the same engine load.

I can show you the math if you want, but it might take up half a page in this thread.:lol:

I double checked my math, It should be around 340-350whp. I came to this conclusion since GM has been running the LNF stock turbo at 26-27psi. That would result in about 320whp, at that rate the turbo is running at about 50% efficiency. A slightly larger turbo will result in better efficiency, and around 340-350whp at the same engine load.

I can show you the math if you want, but it might take up half a page in this thread.:lol:

The SCCA Club Racing T2 Solstice GXPs were running 26psi since Touring permits unlimited boost for turbocharged cars. The efficiency levels are apparently a little lower though, I'm surprised the little K04 held up at 26psi for as long as the race lasted on all the GXPs.

The SCCA Club Racing T2 Solstice GXPs were running 26psi since Touring permits unlimited boost for turbocharged cars. The efficiency levels are apparently a little lower though, I'm surprised the little K04 held up at 26psi for as long as the race lasted on all the GXPs.

Apparently its a tough little motor with a tough little turbo. :D

LNF internals are good to around 450chp. Or around 380-390 whp in a FWD application.

Where did you hear that?

I double checked my math, It should be around 340-350whp. I came to this conclusion since GM has been running the LNF stock turbo at 26-27psi. That would result in about 320whp, at that rate the turbo is running at about 50% efficiency. A slightly larger turbo will result in better efficiency, and around 340-350whp at the same engine load.

I can show you the math if you want, but it might take up half a page in this thread.:lol:

The boost levels and levels of efficiency that you're coming up with doesn't mean that the engine can handle a level of stress...they are separate of each other.

Where did you hear that?

The boost levels and levels of efficiency that you're coming up with doesn't mean that the engine can handle a level of stress...they are separate of each other.

But they ran up to that psi for the entire race banging gears and sitting in the top 3K rpms with zero problems. I think that would be considered safe. Having a turbo maxed out, and then swapping to a larger turbo is proven to reduce engine load and stress.

That first post was doing the math quickly in my head after a long day at work. :thumbsdow

But they ran up to that psi for the entire race banging gears and sitting in the top 3K rpms with zero problems. I think that would be considered safe. Having a turbo maxed out, and then swapping to a larger turbo is proven to reduce engine load and stress.

That first post was doing the math quickly in my head after a long day at work. :thumbsdow

It will reduce temperatures by it being more efficient...

...but stress is different. The more power you're creating, the more stress you're putting on the top of the piston, on the connecting rod and to the crankshaft.

A turbocharger doesn't effect engine load but vice versa. The amount of engine load can effect the response of a turbocharger but engine load within itself plays alot into everything (gearing, pulley system etc etc).

Because a turbocharger is working upon the wastes of the combustion chamber, there is no direct load on the engine. Load on a engine would be anything that is PHYSICALLY slowing down the crankshafts rotation (example: longer gearing ratio = more engine load). It's just a measurement or estimation of how hard the engine is working to do a certain process.

A roots supercharger is another example of something that puts more load on the engine, hence why people say "It takes power to make power".

It will reduce temperatures by it being more efficient...

...but stress is different. The more power you're creating, the more stress you're putting on the top of the piston, on the connecting rod and to the crankshaft.

A turbocharger doesn't effect engine load but vice versa. The amount of engine load can effect the response of a turbocharger but engine load within itself plays alot into everything (gearing, pulley system etc etc).

Because a turbocharger is working upon the wastes of the combustion chamber, there is no direct load on the engine. Load on a engine would be anything that is PHYSICALLY slowing down the crankshafts rotation (example: longer gearing ratio = more engine load). It's just a measurement or estimation of how hard the engine is working to do a certain process.

A roots supercharger is another example of something that puts more load on the engine, hence why people say "It takes power to make power".

Ahh, so you can't apply supercharger physics to turbocharger physics. My bad. Well then in that case, it is good for at least 320whp. I'm sure 350 is still capable with a good tune.

I kinda thought that backpressure does affect engine load. That's why I assumed that larger turbo=less backpressure=less engine load

Performance Auto Werks has a GXP running about 350 HP (crank) I believe. Intake, exhaust, intercooler piping, intercooler, and tune. The T2 cars could push 26 psi for the length of the race but you have to remember these cars get rebuilt after every race pretty much. Don Knowles who came in first place almost didn't even race because his turbo blew between qualifying and the actual race. They ripped one off a test car and replaced his and had him ready to go with only 5 minutes till race start. Was pretty hectic apparently.

So far cars are holding up at 23psi making about 300 HP with the BSR tune. Reaching 350 HP safely will involve adding other parts to help build power as tuning alone wont get you there safely. Hahn has shown the 2.4L LE5 in the Solstice can hit about 390HP with stock internals and the LNF is far beefier than the LE5 and also has some better characteristics than the LSJ.

thanks for all the help....

a ton of great posts.



that makes my decision that much more difficult.


any idea on price?

Performance Auto Werks has a GXP running about 350 HP (crank) I believe. Intake, exhaust, intercooler piping, intercooler, and tune. The T2 cars could push 26 psi for the length of the race but you have to remember these cars get rebuilt after every race pretty much. Don Knowles who came in first place almost didn't even race because his turbo blew between qualifying and the actual race. They ripped one off a test car and replaced his and had him ready to go with only 5 minutes till race start. Was pretty hectic apparently.

So far cars are holding up at 23psi making about 300 HP with the BSR tune. Reaching 350 HP safely will involve adding other parts to help build power as tuning alone wont get you there safely. Hahn has shown the 2.4L LE5 in the Solstice can hit about 390HP with stock internals and the LNF is far beefier than the LE5 and also has some better characteristics than the LSJ.

I'm saying other than the turbo, I am sure 350 is well within range. Especially since the LSJ is good to about 300whp before stuff starts to pop, I'm sure with just DI the LSJ would be good to 350. And that is without all the extra, larger cooling passages that the LNF has.

when you first log on to cobaltss.net at the bottom there is a place to read about the end of the supercharged ss. new emissions regulations being the key factor for scrapping the car. this release of info is a few months after the sae approved test. so what if you found the test results. is the ss car even listed on chevys site for 08? no! i see the HHR SS but no Cobalt SS. i,d love to be proved wrong, because i want to see a LNF car as well.

i looked at emissions information for all upcoming gm 08 models that was provided and the date is august 1. maybe the LNF Cobalt just wasn't removed from the info????????

This is exactly what I was thinking all the time reading this thread. They released the EPA info just a few months ago. There is no way they will get the required 36 MPG hwy out of a 260 HP turbo cobalt. Also, for those that have mentioned seeing the parts list and the SS/TC on the test list, every manufacturer builds and tests prototypes in advance when changing something and this one would probably have been built early this year for testing. I think it is VERY unlikely we will see a stock TC cobalt in the next few years. I will have to see if I can get in touch with my GM buddies, though.

Where is the solid proof of this cobalt turbo? The SS line is done for the cobalts..... I want the proof! I work for GM and i haven't heard anything about a turbo cobalt.........

Totally agreeing here, I have 2 buddies that work in the performance testing division at GM and both of them said they get specs on cars 6 months in advance and usually know what is coming over a year in advance and they heard a rumor back at the beginning of 07 about a TC, but it was scrapped due to the EPA standards being raised to 36 MPG hwy. They also stated that it is possible for Gm to make the car, and have it tested, only to not release it because the EPA testing is done last and it MUST pass the standard to be released. they both also agreed the only way the cobalt will ever have another SC or TC stock would have to be on a V6, which is not small enough to slip into the current engine bay! No one has heard of it or posted anything ANYWHERE official from GM. It is all info that was released from testing earlier this year before the EPA minimum standards were raised. I think the dream is over for everyone hoping on a 2008.5 Cobalt SS TC. Sorry guys!

does any body know about ''AWD'' pack for the new 08 i was told by GM dealership

Agreed, When the SC was released, many major magazines that tested it made mention that an AWD cobalt SC would be way faster and would be on the top of the stock sport compact line....instead of 2nd.

dude where did you come from. they just announced EVERYTHING at SEMA. go read on here, GMI, etc.

CobaltSScrazy

This is exactly what I was thinking all the time reading this thread. They released the EPA info just a few months ago. There is no way they will get the required 36 MPG hwy out of a 260 HP turbo cobalt. Also, for those that have mentioned seeing the parts list and the SS/TC on the test list, every manufacturer builds and tests prototypes in advance when changing something and this one would probably have been built early this year for testing. I think it is VERY unlikely we will see a stock TC cobalt in the next few years. I will have to see if I can get in touch with my GM buddies, though.

Totally agreeing here, I have 2 buddies that work in the performance testing division at GM and both of them said they get specs on cars 6 months in advance and usually know what is coming over a year in advance and they heard a rumor back at the beginning of 07 about a TC, but it was scrapped due to the EPA standards being raised to 36 MPG hwy. They also stated that it is possible for Gm to make the car, and have it tested, only to not release it because the EPA testing is done last and it MUST pass the standard to be released. they both also agreed the only way the cobalt will ever have another SC or TC stock would have to be on a V6, which is not small enough to slip into the current engine bay! No one has heard of it or posted anything ANYWHERE official from GM. It is all info that was released from testing earlier this year before the EPA minimum standards were raised. I think the dream is over for everyone hoping on a 2008.5 Cobalt SS TC. Sorry guys!

Agreed, When the SC was released, many major magazines that tested it made mention that an AWD cobalt SC would be way faster and would be on the top of the stock sport compact line....instead of 2nd.

Wait, so you really think the new Cobalt SS is fake. Jeeze, you should definately read before you post. Newb.:lol:

So you think that they couldn't make the new balt meet EPA standards, yet you want them to make an AWD vehicle?!?! AWD= worse mileage. Period. Go somewhere else to bitch troll.

dude where did you come from. they just announced EVERYTHING at SEMA. go read on here, GMI, etc.

CobaltSScrazy

I see no link in your post. Also, I will believe it when GM announces it. Everything you can find on this is speculation for the show or on a forum which is not official.

I see no link in your post. Also, I will believe it when GM announces it. Everything you can find on this is speculation for the show or on a forum which is not official.

http://www.cobaltss.net/cobalt_ss_turbocharged/

^^^^^^^^thank you!

http://www.cobaltss.net/cobalt_ss_turbocharged/

ok...a link....to a forum post...as stated earlier, nothing OFFICIAL has been released from GM yet, and no one at GM has heard anything about it. Even people that were test driving the 08 Camaro 9 months ago.

^^^^^^^^thank you!

No prob.

ok...a link....to a forum post...as stated earlier, nothing OFFICIAL has been released from GM yet, and no one at GM has heard anything about it. Even people that were test driving the 08 Camaro 9 months ago.

Well if you are still not satisfied with all the technical info, then just wait a couple more days because there are at least 2 members going to SEMA and both said they are gonna take massive amounts of pics. I should know, one of the members (Blown 4-Banger) lives 4 miles from my house.

No prob.

Is It Really Gone?
Sources have indicated to us here at The Source that while GM is no longer going to call the Cobalt SS Supercharged Coupe the SS model any longer, it is not ditching the set-up completely. Word has it, that as GM drops the "Super Sport" name from models it feels does not deserve it, the Cobalt "Super Sport" models will just simply be renamed...Sport.

Josh E. Oliver
JOliver@TheGMSource.com

http://www.thegmsource.com/plugins/p2_news/printarticle.php?p2_articleid=409

:nono: Is It Really Gone?
Sources have indicated to us here at The Source that while GM is no longer going to call the Cobalt SS Supercharged Coupe the SS model any longer, it is not ditching the set-up completely. Word has it, that as GM drops the "Super Sport" name from models it feels does not deserve it, the Cobalt "Super Sport" models will just simply be renamed...Sport.

Josh E. Oliver
JOliver@TheGMSource.com

http://www.thegmsource.com/plugins/p2_news/printarticle.php?p2_articleid=409

HEY NEWB HATER AND SKEPTIC....:lol: :cussing:

http://jalopnik.com/cars/sema/sema-2...eal-316574.php

yeah go shove it...

CobaltSScrazy

BELIEVE and God said, 'it was good' :cssNET: :twothumbs

No prob.



Well if you are still not satisfied with all the technical info, then just wait a couple more days because there are at least 2 members going to SEMA and both said they are gonna take massive amounts of pics. I should know, one of the members (Blown 4-Banger) lives 4 miles from my house.

I would still like to see something official from GM seeing as how lots of cars make the show, then don't make it due to some government regulation.

:nono:

HEY NEWB HATER AND SKEPTIC....:lol: :cussing:

http://jalopnik.com/cars/sema/sema-2...eal-316574.php

yeah go shove it...

CobaltSScrazy

BELIEVE and God said, 'it was good' :cssNET: :twothumbs

.....if this is a TC car, why did the photographer not get a pic of the opposite side rear that appears to have another emblem in the same shape and size as the SC logo? It would only make sense to have the first show pics, but not get the one that counts. Also, just because I am skeptical of an 08.5 SSTC, it does not make me a hater, even Car and Driver's article about it is skeptical. I am only new to this forum since no one I know has ever heard of it. Even other SC owners I meet at club events for my car club and at various shows. I came across it from all the posts about SCs by searching it on Google. Other than that, no publicization in mags or anything?

Is It Really Gone?
Sources have indicated to us here at The Source that while GM is no longer going to call the Cobalt SS Supercharged Coupe the SS model any longer, it is not ditching the set-up completely. Word has it, that as GM drops the "Super Sport" name from models it feels does not deserve it, the Cobalt "Super Sport" models will just simply be renamed...Sport.

Josh E. Oliver
JOliver@TheGMSource.com

http://www.thegmsource.com/plugins/p2_news/printarticle.php?p2_articleid=409

That was way back in april. On may 5th, they tested the LNF motor for the the SAE power certification test, read page 3 of the thread you are typing in.:lol:

Here's a couple more official info sites.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=123186

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/10/28/officially-official-2008-chevy-cobalt-ss-bows-at-sema/

I would still like to see something official from GM seeing as how lots of cars make the show, then don't make it due to some government regulation.



.....if this is a TC car, why did the photographer not get a pic of the opposite side rear that appears to have another emblem in the same shape and size as the SC logo? It would only make sense to have the first show pics, but not get the one that counts. Also, just because I am skeptical of an 08.5 SSTC, it does not make me a hater, even Car and Driver's article about it is skeptical. I am only new to this forum since no one I know has ever heard of it. Even other SC owners I meet at club events for my car club and at various shows. I came across it from all the posts about SCs by searching it on Google. Other than that, no publicization in mags or anything?omg you are an idiot, and pissing me off. i will find autoblog with official GM PRESS RELEASES OFFICIAL READ THAT LOUD AND CLEAR AND REPOST IN THIS thread in 5 minutes....uhhhh eyeroll:thumbsdow

omg you are an idiot, and pissing me off. i will find autoblog with official GM PRESS RELEASES OFFICIAL READ THAT LOUD AND CLEAR AND REPOST IN THIS thread in 5 minutes....uhhhh eyeroll:thumbsdow

ok..wait....I make a comment that there is nothing official from GM and all from blogs and you are going to get me proof from a blog? How does that prove official? I could make the reports everyone has copied and pasted in 10 mins.

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, STOP QUESTIONING THE TURBO COBALT SS ITS HERE SHEESH...i'll own one by next august. :D

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/10/28/officially-official-2008-chevy-cobalt-ss-bows-at-sema/

PRESS RELEASES:
2008 CHEVROLET COBALT SS FAST FACTS

* Engineered and developed by GM Performance Division
* 2.0L Ecotec turbocharged and intercooled engine with 260 horsepower (194 kW)
* GM Powertrain Sweden five-speed transmission with short-throw shifter
* Nürburgring-tuned FE5 Sport suspension delivers 0.9 g grip
* Brembo fixed-caliper front discs and vented rear disc brakes
* SS-specific appearance with unique fascias and rear spoiler – including available high wing
* 18-inch high-polished forged aluminum wheels and Y-rated performance tires
* SS-specific interior with new sport seats, A-pillar boost gauge and more
* On sale: second quarter of 2008

TURBOCHARGED CHEVROLET COBALT SS GIVES A BOOST OF FUN TO THE COMPACT SEGMENT

LAS VEGAS – Celebrating the performance community that comprises SEMA, Chevrolet used the annual convention of all things high-performance to announce the 2008 Cobalt SS coupe. True to its legendary moniker, the Cobalt SS delivers a balance of track-proven performance capability, driving refinement and premium features – along with an undeniably fun and youthful character.

Developed by GM Performance Division (GMPD) and powered by a 260-horsepower (194 kW) turbocharged and intercooled 2.0L Ecotec engine, the Cobalt SS delivers 55 horses (41 kW) more than the previous Cobalt SS Supercharged, and its driving experience was validated on racetracks throughout North America and Europe, including Germany's legendary Nürburgring circuit.

"The Cobalt SS is the very essence of Chevrolet's fun spirit and serious performance," said Ed Peper, Chevrolet general manager. "The horsepower will put a permanent smile on your face and you'll find yourself wanting to turn around and zip through your favorite stretch of twisty roads again."

The Cobalt SS coupe arrives in dealerships in the second quarter of 2008. A Cobalt SS sedan, with all of the same high-performance features of the coupe, follows a couple of months later.

Maximum performance – on the street or track

The Cobalt SS was developed by GM Performance Division (GMPD), with a team of engineers and designers dedicated to crafting high-performance vehicles. It features powertrain and chassis enhancements that are similar to the new HHR SS, but with larger Brembo brakes, a slightly "taller" final-drive ratio and other variances that emphasize the Cobalt SS's pure performance ethic, as well as maximize its competitiveness on the track.

Engineered to offer more than merely a turbocharged rush of power, an all-new FE5 Sport suspension was developed and includes specific stabilizer bars, spring rates and damper tuning – all designed to complement the high-output turbocharged powertrain and mitigate afflictions such as torque steer. Driver-selectable modes help maximize performance whether on the street or track. The unique "no-lift shift" feature enables manual-transmission-equipped models to achieve the best acceleration time via an algorithm in the engine controller.

Ensuring the car stops as confidently as it accelerates and corners are four-wheel disc brakes with standard ABS. The front brakes are from Brembo and have a performance-oriented fixed-caliper design, which resist fade better than floating caliper designs; the rear discs are vented for better heat dissipation. Along with these high-performance attributes, the Cobalt SS comes standard with a host of safety features, including the StabiliTrak electronic stability control system and side-impact air bags.

With its balanced tuning, the Cobalt SS delivers a quick 0-60 time of approximately 5.7 seconds – thanks to the manual transmission's "no-lift shift" feature – and a sports car-like maximum lateral grip of 0.9 g. This combination enabled the Cobalt SS to set a new class record while circulating the famed Nürburgring racing circuit, posting a time of 8:22.85 minutes.

Unmistakable style

The Cobalt SS is distinguished on the exterior with several unique features, including a distinctive, air dam-style front fascia with integrated projector-beam fog lamps. The new fascia's grille and the Cobalt's upper grille sport a new, SS-specific diamond-mesh appearance.

SS-specific rockers and badging adorn the body sides, while a standard deck lid spoiler adds the requisite sporty touch to the rear of the car. The standard spoiler can be replaced with an optional high wing-style aero enhancement that gives the Cobalt SS the look of a racecar. Also at the rear is a prominent, bright-tip exhaust outlet.

Large, five-spoke 18-inch polished forged aluminum wheels and performance tires are standard and are tailored with the specific body enhancements to give the Cobalt SS a lower, performance-oriented stance – while also showing off the large Brembo front brake calipers. They're mounted on 225/40-series summer tires. Likewise, the available exterior colors enhance the sporty nature of the vehicle. They include Victory Red, Black, Ultra Silver Metallic, Imperial Blue, Rally Yellow, Sport Red Tintcoat and White.

Like the exterior, the interior is unique to the Cobalt SS, including SS-embroidered sport seats with suede-like UltraLux inserts, a specific gauge cluster, an A-pillar-mounted turbo boost gauge and a new shifter arrangement. Three interior color combinations are available: Ebony, Light Grey and Victory Red.

Chevrolet is one of America's best-known and best-selling automotive brands. With the largest dealer network in the United States, Chevy is the leader in full-size trucks and the leader in sales of vehicles priced $35,000 and above. Chevrolet delivers more-than-expected value in every vehicle category, offering cars and trucks priced from $9,995 to $83,175. Chevy delivers expressive design, spirited performance and great value with standard features usually found only on more expensive vehicles. More information on Chevrolet can be found at www.chevrolet.com.

GERMANY'S NÜRBURGRING RACETRACK WAS THE PROVING GROUND FOR THE '08 COBALT SS

DETROIT – The Cobalt SS is at home on the boulevard or starting grid, thanks to development at Germany's famed Nürburgring racing circuit – a winding, undulated road course of approximately 14 miles in length (22 km) and with more than 170 turns. It is considered by many professional racers and auto manufacturers as the ultimate test of a car's mettle.

In fact, the Cobalt SS set a lap record for front-drive sport-compact cars at the "'Ring," posting a time of 8:22.85 minutes – besting the previous record by more than 13 seconds.

"The Cobalt SS delivers an integrated driving experience that balances a strong, satisfying feeling of acceleration with a precise, responsive chassis," said John Heinricy, GM Performance Division executive. "It has been tuned to deliver confident handling and road manners, while also maintaining overall ride comfort."

GM Performance Division (GMPD) is responsible for the "go, stop and turn" capability of Chevrolet's high-performance SS models, and its team of enthusiastic engineers made sure that the new, 2008 Cobalt SS not only achieved stellar performance on the track, it delivered it with a grin-inducing level of driving satisfaction.

Specific performance features include:

* FE5 sport suspension
* Standard F35 five-speed manual transmission with short-throw shifter
* Quicker-ratio steering
* Brembo fixed-caliper front disc brakes
* Vented rear disc brakes
* Eighteen-inch wheels and performance tires
* Driver Information Center "Competition" mode with launch control function
* Available limited-slip differential

Chassis tuning

Conveying the Cobalt SS's turbocharged horsepower to the pavement is an FE5 sport suspension that includes a host of other chassis, steering and braking revisions – and a set of gorgeous, 18-inch forged aluminum wheels. The elements pull together to give the vehicle surprisingly agile ride and handling characteristics, as well as an enviable maximum lateral acceleration rate of 0.9 g – making it one of the best-handling cars in the segment.

"There was a concerted effort to tune the Cobalt SS for competitive track performance," said Heinricy. "This makes the car not only formidable in sanctioned competition, but it puts a finer edge on street performance."

The MacPherson strut independent front suspension uses SS-specific gas-charged twin-tube struts; unique steering knuckles with optimized geometry; 27 N/mm linear coil springs with specific damper tuning; stiffer control arm handling and stabilizer bar bushings; and a direct-acting, 24-mm solid stabilizer bar. At the rear, the SS's semi-trailing twist beam axle uses monotube gas-charged shocks with specific damper tuning, a 24-mm solid stabilizer bar, stiffer axle bushings and multi-rate coil springs (28-40 N/mm). StabiliTrak electronic stability control and traction control are standard.

More than cornering capability, the Cobalt SS's chassis – along with the available limited-slip differential – also is tuned to mitigate conditions often associated with high-performance front-wheel-drive vehicles, such as torque steer and axle hop. The result is smooth application of the car's full performance potential, quickening acceleration and/or lap times and ensuring a smooth, comfortable driving experience on the way to the office.

Quicker steering

An improved electric power steering (EPS) system is tuned to match the SS's handling prowess. The rack-and-pinion gear has a quick 14.8:1 ratio, which is 20-percent quicker than other Cobalt models, and the new EPS provides improved precision and a more viscous feel.

Brembo fixed-caliper brakes

Four-wheel disc brakes with ABS are standard. They consist of large, 12.4-inch-diameter (315 mm) Brembo front vented rotors with premium, high-performance, four-piston fixed calipers in the front and 11.5-inch-diameter (292 mm) rear vented discs with single-piston calipers.

During spirited drives, this gives the Cobalt SS a more precise and consistent braking feel that resists fading, even after repeated occurrences of hard braking, such as the driving experience on a racetrack.

The Brembo calipers are visible behind one of the Cobalt SS's most distinguishing features: a set of 18- x 7.5-inch polished forged aluminum wheels. The wheels ride on SS-specific 225/40-series Y-rated summer tires.

The standard anti-lock brakes are connected to the StabiliTrak electronic stability control system to enhance stopping and handling in emergency driving situations.

TURBOCHARGER FORCE-FEEDS THE COBALT SS 2.0L ECOTEC ENGINE FOR 260 HP (194 kW)

DETROIT – The Cobalt SS is powered by a turbocharged and intercooled 2.0L Ecotec DI engine that delivers 260 horsepower (194 kW) and 260 lb.-ft. of torque (353 Nm) with the standard five-speed manual transmission.

"Chevrolets are about fun and the SS models are the most fun of all," said John Heinricy, GM Performance Division executive. "With the Cobalt SS, fun is balanced with a serious degree of capability, on both the street and racetrack."

Features such as "no-lift shift" and other driver-selectable performance modes help the Cobalt SS achieve 0-60 mph performance in approximately 5.7 seconds and cover the quarter-mile in approximately 14.1 seconds, with minimal torque steer. The top speed is more than 160 mph.

2.0L Ecotec DI turbo engine details

The Cobalt SS's Ecotec 2.0L turbo engine is the same that powers the recently introduced HHR SS. It produces 2.1 horsepower per cubic inch of displacement (130 hp / 97 kW per liter) and is the most powerful engine in the Ecotec family. Gasoline direct-injection technology helps the engine produce more power while maintaining the lower fuel consumption of a small displacement port-injected engine.

With direct injection, fuel is delivered directly to the combustion chamber to create a more complete burn of the air/fuel mixture. Less fuel is required to produce the equivalent horsepower, especially at normal cruising speeds, of a conventional port-injection combustion system. Direct-injection technology works well with turbocharging and helps deliver a great balance of power and economy.

Highlights of the Cobalt SS's Ecotec 2.0L DI turbo engine include:

* Steel crankshaft
* Forged connecting rods
* Oil-spray piston cooling
* 9.2:1 compression ratio
* Aluminum cylinder head with stainless steel intake valves and sodium-filled exhaust valves
* High-pressure engine-driven fuel pump
* Mobil 1 synthetic oil

Components including the steel crankshaft and forged connecting rods are high-strength items that provide strength and enhance durability. Oil-spray piston cooling helps reduce cylinder temperatures and promotes longevity by delivering pressurized oil that continuously lubricates the pistons, which reduces friction. To enhance combustion, the piston tops feature a dish shape that deflects incoming fuel toward the spark plugs.

To accommodate the direct-injection system, the Ecotec 2.0L DI turbo has a unique cylinder head and intake manifold. The cylinder head incorporates mounting locations for the fuel injectors – items that are typically mounted in the intake manifold on port-injection engines. Specialized and extremely precise multi-hole fuel injectors are used to meter fuel and deliver it in a finely atomized manner. They are supported by an engine-mounted high-pressure fuel pump.

Apart from the mounting positions of the fuel injectors, the cylinder head has conventional port and combustion chamber designs. Large stainless steel intake valves and sodium-filled exhaust valves are durable components designed to stand up to the high-performance capability of the engine.

The unique cylinder head, fuel system, pistons and intake manifold are the major components that differentiate the 2.0L DI turbo from other members of the Ecotec engine family. Mobil 1 synthetic engine oil is installed at the factory. Synthetic oil was selected for its friction-reducing capabilities and high-temperature performance.

Turbocharger and charge air cooler

Pumping up the Cobalt SS's 2.0L Ecotec engine is an intercooled turbocharger system. The turbo blows pressurized air into the combustion chambers to enhance horsepower and torque, while the system's intercooler circuit cools the turbocharged air charge to maximize its effect. The turbocharger is sized to deliver a significant horsepower boost and almost no spool-up lag. Maximum pressure is almost 20 psi.

Because the pressurized air pushed by a turbocharger becomes heated, the Cobalt SS's system employs an air-to-air intercooling system. With it, the pressurized air passes through a heat exchanger mounted behind the grille in the lower front fascia, where it is cooled before it enters the engine. Cooler air is denser, enabling the combustion chambers to draw in more air for maximum power. The cooler air also staves off the possibility of detonation at higher temperature, which allowed engineers to tune the engine for maximum power and ensure consistent performance in all driving conditions.

Transmission

Backing the turbocharged engine is a standard GM Powertrain Sweden F35 five-speed manual transmission. Semi-synthetic transmission fluid is used for its capability of absorbing heat and resisting breakdown during high-performance driving.

A performance-oriented feature referred to as "no-lift shift" allows maximum performance – upshifts can be performed very quickly without lifting the throttle. An algorithm in the engine's controller enables this high-performance feature, which helps maximize acceleration and gear changes.

A short-throw shifter with stiffened shifter bushings and modified cables and attachments enhances confidence behind the wheel, giving the driver a firmer, more direct and quicker shift feel. A limited-slip differential is available with the manual transmission.

3.82:1 final drive ratio

The Cobalt SS's powertrain has a 3.82:1 final drive ratio, which was selected because it allows the turbocharged engine to remain in the optimal section of the torque band during shifts and while driving competitively on a racetrack. This enhances both the car's tangible performance measures and intangible fun-to-drive quotient.

PERFORMANCE-ORIENTED COCKPIT HIGHLIGHTS THE '08 COBALT SS INTERIOR

DETROIT – Every driver's element – from the highly bolstered seats to the A-pillar-mounted boost gauge – is designed to match the performance capability delivered by the 2008 Cobalt SS's 260-horsepower (194 kW) turbocharged engine and FE5 sport suspension deliver. In short, the cabin delivers maximum functionality and driver satisfaction.

The features that comprise the Cobalt SS's driver-focused interior include:

Sport seats: The Cobalt SS's seats don't just look sporty; modified seatback bolsters and "winged" bottom-cushion bolsters provide excellent support during spirited driving. The seat features contemporary, mesh-style impression cloth coverings with suede-like UltraLux inserts in the center section for additional grip. "SS" logos are embroidered on the front seats.

Contrasting interior colors, including Ebony, Victory Red and Light Grey, contribute to the sporty look and are offered in SS-only combinations. Color-matched door panel inserts complete the theme. The rear seat is trimmed to match the front seats and features enhanced bolster styling to also match the front seats.

Shifter: Compared with other Cobalt models equipped with a manual transmission, the SS features a shifter that has shorter throws between gears and a more precise feel.

No-lift shift: An algorithm in the engine's controller allows upshifts to be performed very quickly without lifting the throttle.

Steering: The Cobalt SS has a quicker-acting, more precise steering system consisting of a modified steering knuckle and a new steering gear (14.8:1 ratio).

160-mph speedometer: A unique instrument panel gauge cluster is standard; it includes a 160-mph readout (255 km/h) illustrated with large, easy-to-view graphics.

A-pillar gauge: In what is now a signature feature of models with the turbocharged 2.0L Ecotec, the Cobalt SS comes with a standard A-pillar-mounted turbo boost gauge.

Driver Information Center: The standard Driver Information Center located in the gauge cluster allows the driver to engage several SS-specific features, including a "competition" mode that is designed for closed-course performance driving and adjusts chassis controls (including turning off traction control) in controlled driving conditions. A launch control function is part of the competition mode and enables consistent acceleration performance.

Additional changes: SS-specific satin nickel trim accents the cabin, enhancing the distinctive and performance-oriented theme of the SS's driver environment.

That was way back in april. On may 5th, they tested the LNF motor for the the SAE power certification test, read page 3 of the thread you are typing in.:lol:

Here's a couple more official info sites.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=123186

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/10/28/officially-official-2008-chevy-cobalt-ss-bows-at-sema/

yes, very interesting that all the info everyone has posted is from earlier this year....before the EPA standards were raised.

ur ridiculous, i have posted pictures as well as OFFICIAL PRESS RELEASES FROM GM via autoblog. if you can't accept that, youre just an imbecile (spelling?) and retarded.

It will be at Detroit, LA autoshows and I will have one in my driveway in ~ 9 months...so shove it. i'll post pics and laugh in your face when it happens.

CobaltSScrazy

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, STOP QUESTIONING THE TURBO COBALT SS ITS HERE SHEESH...i'll own one by next august. :D

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/10/28/officially-official-2008-chevy-cobalt-ss-bows-at-sema/

PRESS RELEASES:
2008 CHEVROLET COBALT SS FAST FACTS

* Engineered and developed by GM Performance Division
* 2.0L Ecotec turbocharged and intercooled engine with 260 horsepower (194 kW)
* GM Powertrain Sweden five-speed transmission with short-throw shifter
* Nürburgring-tuned FE5 Sport suspension delivers 0.9 g grip
* Brembo fixed-caliper front discs and vented rear disc brakes
* SS-specific appearance with unique fascias and rear spoiler – including available high wing
* 18-inch high-polished forged aluminum wheels and Y-rated performance tires
* SS-specific interior with new sport seats, A-pillar boost gauge and more
* On sale: second quarter of 2008

TURBOCHARGED CHEVROLET COBALT SS GIVES A BOOST OF FUN TO THE COMPACT SEGMENT

LAS VEGAS – Celebrating the performance community that comprises SEMA, Chevrolet used the annual convention of all things high-performance to announce the 2008 Cobalt SS coupe. True to its legendary moniker, the Cobalt SS delivers a balance of track-proven performance capability, driving refinement and premium features – along with an undeniably fun and youthful character.

Developed by GM Performance Division (GMPD) and powered by a 260-horsepower (194 kW) turbocharged and intercooled 2.0L Ecotec engine, the Cobalt SS delivers 55 horses (41 kW) more than the previous Cobalt SS Supercharged, and its driving experience was validated on racetracks throughout North America and Europe, including Germany's legendary Nürburgring circuit.

"The Cobalt SS is the very essence of Chevrolet's fun spirit and serious performance," said Ed Peper, Chevrolet general manager. "The horsepower will put a permanent smile on your face and you'll find yourself wanting to turn around and zip through your favorite stretch of twisty roads again."

The Cobalt SS coupe arrives in dealerships in the second quarter of 2008. A Cobalt SS sedan, with all of the same high-performance features of the coupe, follows a couple of months later.

Maximum performance – on the street or track

The Cobalt SS was developed by GM Performance Division (GMPD), with a team of engineers and designers dedicated to crafting high-performance vehicles. It features powertrain and chassis enhancements that are similar to the new HHR SS, but with larger Brembo brakes, a slightly "taller" final-drive ratio and other variances that emphasize the Cobalt SS's pure performance ethic, as well as maximize its competitiveness on the track.

Engineered to offer more than merely a turbocharged rush of power, an all-new FE5 Sport suspension was developed and includes specific stabilizer bars, spring rates and damper tuning – all designed to complement the high-output turbocharged powertrain and mitigate afflictions such as torque steer. Driver-selectable modes help maximize performance whether on the street or track. The unique "no-lift shift" feature enables manual-transmission-equipped models to achieve the best acceleration time via an algorithm in the engine controller.

Ensuring the car stops as confidently as it accelerates and corners are four-wheel disc brakes with standard ABS. The front brakes are from Brembo and have a performance-oriented fixed-caliper design, which resist fade better than floating caliper designs; the rear discs are vented for better heat dissipation. Along with these high-performance attributes, the Cobalt SS comes standard with a host of safety features, including the StabiliTrak electronic stability control system and side-impact air bags.

With its balanced tuning, the Cobalt SS delivers a quick 0-60 time of approximately 5.7 seconds – thanks to the manual transmission's "no-lift shift" feature – and a sports car-like maximum lateral grip of 0.9 g. This combination enabled the Cobalt SS to set a new class record while circulating the famed Nürburgring racing circuit, posting a time of 8:22.85 minutes.

Unmistakable style

The Cobalt SS is distinguished on the exterior with several unique features, including a distinctive, air dam-style front fascia with integrated projector-beam fog lamps. The new fascia's grille and the Cobalt's upper grille sport a new, SS-specific diamond-mesh appearance.

SS-specific rockers and badging adorn the body sides, while a standard deck lid spoiler adds the requisite sporty touch to the rear of the car. The standard spoiler can be replaced with an optional high wing-style aero enhancement that gives the Cobalt SS the look of a racecar. Also at the rear is a prominent, bright-tip exhaust outlet.

Large, five-spoke 18-inch polished forged aluminum wheels and performance tires are standard and are tailored with the specific body enhancements to give the Cobalt SS a lower, performance-oriented stance – while also showing off the large Brembo front brake calipers. They're mounted on 225/40-series summer tires. Likewise, the available exterior colors enhance the sporty nature of the vehicle. They include Victory Red, Black, Ultra Silver Metallic, Imperial Blue, Rally Yellow, Sport Red Tintcoat and White.

Like the exterior, the interior is unique to the Cobalt SS, including SS-embroidered sport seats with suede-like UltraLux inserts, a specific gauge cluster, an A-pillar-mounted turbo boost gauge and a new shifter arrangement. Three interior color combinations are available: Ebony, Light Grey and Victory Red.

Chevrolet is one of America's best-known and best-selling automotive brands. With the largest dealer network in the United States, Chevy is the leader in full-size trucks and the leader in sales of vehicles priced $35,000 and above. Chevrolet delivers more-than-expected value in every vehicle category, offering cars and trucks priced from $9,995 to $83,175. Chevy delivers expressive design, spirited performance and great value with standard features usually found only on more expensive vehicles. More information on Chevrolet can be found at www.chevrolet.com.

GERMANY'S NÜRBURGRING RACETRACK WAS THE PROVING GROUND FOR THE '08 COBALT SS

DETROIT – The Cobalt SS is at home on the boulevard or starting grid, thanks to development at Germany's famed Nürburgring racing circuit – a winding, undulated road course of approximately 14 miles in length (22 km) and with more than 170 turns. It is considered by many professional racers and auto manufacturers as the ultimate test of a car's mettle.

In fact, the Cobalt SS set a lap record for front-drive sport-compact cars at the "'Ring," posting a time of 8:22.85 minutes – besting the previous record by more than 13 seconds.

"The Cobalt SS delivers an integrated driving experience that balances a strong, satisfying feeling of acceleration with a precise, responsive chassis," said John Heinricy, GM Performance Division executive. "It has been tuned to deliver confident handling and road manners, while also maintaining overall ride comfort."

GM Performance Division (GMPD) is responsible for the "go, stop and turn" capability of Chevrolet's high-performance SS models, and its team of enthusiastic engineers made sure that the new, 2008 Cobalt SS not only achieved stellar performance on the track, it delivered it with a grin-inducing level of driving satisfaction.

Specific performance features include:

* FE5 sport suspension
* Standard F35 five-speed manual transmission with short-throw shifter
* Quicker-ratio steering
* Brembo fixed-caliper front disc brakes
* Vented rear disc brakes
* Eighteen-inch wheels and performance tires
* Driver Information Center "Competition" mode with launch control function
* Available limited-slip differential

Chassis tuning

Conveying the Cobalt SS's turbocharged horsepower to the pavement is an FE5 sport suspension that includes a host of other chassis, steering and braking revisions – and a set of gorgeous, 18-inch forged aluminum wheels. The elements pull together to give the vehicle surprisingly agile ride and handling characteristics, as well as an enviable maximum lateral acceleration rate of 0.9 g – making it one of the best-handling cars in the segment.

"There was a concerted effort to tune the Cobalt SS for competitive track performance," said Heinricy. "This makes the car not only formidable in sanctioned competition, but it puts a finer edge on street performance."

The MacPherson strut independent front suspension uses SS-specific gas-charged twin-tube struts; unique steering knuckles with optimized geometry; 27 N/mm linear coil springs with specific damper tuning; stiffer control arm handling and stabilizer bar bushings; and a direct-acting, 24-mm solid stabilizer bar. At the rear, the SS's semi-trailing twist beam axle uses monotube gas-charged shocks with specific damper tuning, a 24-mm solid stabilizer bar, stiffer axle bushings and multi-rate coil springs (28-40 N/mm). StabiliTrak electronic stability control and traction control are standard.

More than cornering capability, the Cobalt SS's chassis – along with the available limited-slip differential – also is tuned to mitigate conditions often associated with high-performance front-wheel-drive vehicles, such as torque steer and axle hop. The result is smooth application of the car's full performance potential, quickening acceleration and/or lap times and ensuring a smooth, comfortable driving experience on the way to the office.

Quicker steering

An improved electric power steering (EPS) system is tuned to match the SS's handling prowess. The rack-and-pinion gear has a quick 14.8:1 ratio, which is 20-percent quicker than other Cobalt models, and the new EPS provides improved precision and a more viscous feel.

Brembo fixed-caliper brakes

Four-wheel disc brakes with ABS are standard. They consist of large, 12.4-inch-diameter (315 mm) Brembo front vented rotors with premium, high-performance, four-piston fixed calipers in the front and 11.5-inch-diameter (292 mm) rear vented discs with single-piston calipers.

During spirited drives, this gives the Cobalt SS a more precise and consistent braking feel that resists fading, even after repeated occurrences of hard braking, such as the driving experience on a racetrack.

The Brembo calipers are visible behind one of the Cobalt SS's most distinguishing features: a set of 18- x 7.5-inch polished forged aluminum wheels. The wheels ride on SS-specific 225/40-series Y-rated summer tires.

The standard anti-lock brakes are connected to the StabiliTrak electronic stability control system to enhance stopping and handling in emergency driving situations.

TURBOCHARGER FORCE-FEEDS THE COBALT SS 2.0L ECOTEC ENGINE FOR 260 HP (194 kW)

DETROIT – The Cobalt SS is powered by a turbocharged and intercooled 2.0L Ecotec DI engine that delivers 260 horsepower (194 kW) and 260 lb.-ft. of torque (353 Nm) with the standard five-speed manual transmission.

"Chevrolets are about fun and the SS models are the most fun of all," said John Heinricy, GM Performance Division executive. "With the Cobalt SS, fun is balanced with a serious degree of capability, on both the street and racetrack."

Features such as "no-lift shift" and other driver-selectable performance modes help the Cobalt SS achieve 0-60 mph performance in approximately 5.7 seconds and cover the quarter-mile in approximately 14.1 seconds, with minimal torque steer. The top speed is more than 160 mph.

2.0L Ecotec DI turbo engine details

The Cobalt SS's Ecotec 2.0L turbo engine is the same that powers the recently introduced HHR SS. It produces 2.1 horsepower per cubic inch of displacement (130 hp / 97 kW per liter) and is the most powerful engine in the Ecotec family. Gasoline direct-injection technology helps the engine produce more power while maintaining the lower fuel consumption of a small displacement port-injected engine.

With direct injection, fuel is delivered directly to the combustion chamber to create a more complete burn of the air/fuel mixture. Less fuel is required to produce the equivalent horsepower, especially at normal cruising speeds, of a conventional port-injection combustion system. Direct-injection technology works well with turbocharging and helps deliver a great balance of power and economy.

Highlights of the Cobalt SS's Ecotec 2.0L DI turbo engine include:

* Steel crankshaft
* Forged connecting rods
* Oil-spray piston cooling
* 9.2:1 compression ratio
* Aluminum cylinder head with stainless steel intake valves and sodium-filled exhaust valves
* High-pressure engine-driven fuel pump
* Mobil 1 synthetic oil

Components including the steel crankshaft and forged connecting rods are high-strength items that provide strength and enhance durability. Oil-spray piston cooling helps reduce cylinder temperatures and promotes longevity by delivering pressurized oil that continuously lubricates the pistons, which reduces friction. To enhance combustion, the piston tops feature a dish shape that deflects incoming fuel toward the spark plugs.

To accommodate the direct-injection system, the Ecotec 2.0L DI turbo has a unique cylinder head and intake manifold. The cylinder head incorporates mounting locations for the fuel injectors – items that are typically mounted in the intake manifold on port-injection engines. Specialized and extremely precise multi-hole fuel injectors are used to meter fuel and deliver it in a finely atomized manner. They are supported by an engine-mounted high-pressure fuel pump.

Apart from the mounting positions of the fuel injectors, the cylinder head has conventional port and combustion chamber designs. Large stainless steel intake valves and sodium-filled exhaust valves are durable components designed to stand up to the high-performance capability of the engine.

The unique cylinder head, fuel system, pistons and intake manifold are the major components that differentiate the 2.0L DI turbo from other members of the Ecotec engine family. Mobil 1 synthetic engine oil is installed at the factory. Synthetic oil was selected for its friction-reducing capabilities and high-temperature performance.

Turbocharger and charge air cooler

Pumping up the Cobalt SS's 2.0L Ecotec engine is an intercooled turbocharger system. The turbo blows pressurized air into the combustion chambers to enhance horsepower and torque, while the system's intercooler circuit cools the turbocharged air charge to maximize its effect. The turbocharger is sized to deliver a significant horsepower boost and almost no spool-up lag. Maximum pressure is almost 20 psi.

Because the pressurized air pushed by a turbocharger becomes heated, the Cobalt SS's system employs an air-to-air intercooling system. With it, the pressurized air passes through a heat exchanger mounted behind the grille in the lower front fascia, where it is cooled before it enters the engine. Cooler air is denser, enabling the combustion chambers to draw in more air for maximum power. The cooler air also staves off the possibility of detonation at higher temperature, which allowed engineers to tune the engine for maximum power and ensure consistent performance in all driving conditions.

Transmission

Backing the turbocharged engine is a standard GM Powertrain Sweden F35 five-speed manual transmission. Semi-synthetic transmission fluid is used for its capability of absorbing heat and resisting breakdown during high-performance driving.

A performance-oriented feature referred to as "no-lift shift" allows maximum performance – upshifts can be performed very quickly without lifting the throttle. An algorithm in the engine's controller enables this high-performance feature, which helps maximize acceleration and gear changes.

A short-throw shifter with stiffened shifter bushings and modified cables and attachments enhances confidence behind the wheel, giving the driver a firmer, more direct and quicker shift feel. A limited-slip differential is available with the manual transmission.

3.82:1 final drive ratio

The Cobalt SS's powertrain has a 3.82:1 final drive ratio, which was selected because it allows the turbocharged engine to remain in the optimal section of the torque band during shifts and while driving competitively on a racetrack. This enhances both the car's tangible performance measures and intangible fun-to-drive quotient.

PERFORMANCE-ORIENTED COCKPIT HIGHLIGHTS THE '08 COBALT SS INTERIOR

DETROIT – Every driver's element – from the highly bolstered seats to the A-pillar-mounted boost gauge – is designed to match the performance capability delivered by the 2008 Cobalt SS's 260-horsepower (194 kW) turbocharged engine and FE5 sport suspension deliver. In short, the cabin delivers maximum functionality and driver satisfaction.

The features that comprise the Cobalt SS's driver-focused interior include:

Sport seats: The Cobalt SS's seats don't just look sporty; modified seatback bolsters and "winged" bottom-cushion bolsters provide excellent support during spirited driving. The seat features contemporary, mesh-style impression cloth coverings with suede-like UltraLux inserts in the center section for additional grip. "SS" logos are embroidered on the front seats.

Contrasting interior colors, including Ebony, Victory Red and Light Grey, contribute to the sporty look and are offered in SS-only combinations. Color-matched door panel inserts complete the theme. The rear seat is trimmed to match the front seats and features enhanced bolster styling to also match the front seats.

Shifter: Compared with other Cobalt models equipped with a manual transmission, the SS features a shifter that has shorter throws between gears and a more precise feel.

No-lift shift: An algorithm in the engine's controller allows upshifts to be performed very quickly without lifting the throttle.

Steering: The Cobalt SS has a quicker-acting, more precise steering system consisting of a modified steering knuckle and a new steering gear (14.8:1 ratio).

160-mph speedometer: A unique instrument panel gauge cluster is standard; it includes a 160-mph readout (255 km/h) illustrated with large, easy-to-view graphics.

A-pillar gauge: In what is now a signature feature of models with the turbocharged 2.0L Ecotec, the Cobalt SS comes with a standard A-pillar-mounted turbo boost gauge.

Driver Information Center: The standard Driver Information Center located in the gauge cluster allows the driver to engage several SS-specific features, including a "competition" mode that is designed for closed-course performance driving and adjusts chassis controls (including turning off traction control) in controlled driving conditions. A launch control function is part of the competition mode and enables consistent acceleration performance.

Additional changes: SS-specific satin nickel trim accents the cabin, enhancing the distinctive and performance-oriented theme of the SS's driver environment.

very interesting since if you look closely at the pics posted on "http://jalopnik.com/photogallery/semachevycobaltss/" the seats are OBVIOUSLY cloth, not leather...also, the speedometer and tach are lined up EXACTLY the same, only making it possible for 160 MPH, gaining 55HP, shouldn't it at least gain 5 MPH to the top speed? This is still not released officially on GM's website and is posted by someone on a forum. Its nice how you can read something online and believe it so much you are arguing about it when you have NO SOLID PROOF.

even more interesteding:

Sport

Cobalt2008 Coupe Sport: Starts at $19,530*

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Highlights:

* 171-hp 2.4L High Output engine with EPA estimated MPG 22 city and 32 hwy. (manual transmission) and 22 city, 31 hwy. (automatic transmission)
* Five-speed manual transmission
* Head-curtain side-impact air bags(1)
* NEW StabiliTrak Electronic Stability Control System
* CD/MP3 player
* Auxiliary audio input jack
* OnStar(2) with one-year Safe & Sound Plan
* Cruise control
* Tuned Sport suspension
* 17-inch polished-aluminum wheels
* Sport tires

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from: http://www.chevrolet.com/cobalt/

especially since the pics in the post you submitted are obviously smaller than 18s and the top model listed on GMs site is the SPORT which is showing to be badged and designed EXACTLY the same as the SS SC. Do you have more forum posting proof?

yes, very interesting that all the info everyone has posted is from earlier this year....before the EPA standards were raised.

Are you kidding? Did you look at the dates on those links? They were both made just a day or two ago. One on Oct 27th, the other on Oct 28th. And the EPA standard requires that current models of cars just need to increase 15% mpg which the LNF balt does meet. The 36mpg requirement is for 2010. The info on page 3 just became available about 10 days ago.

Oh christ, someone is in serious denial if he can't figure it out by now.

Just wait a couple of days and Blown 4-Banger will post a bunch of pics of the new one at SEMA. Damn!

please delete all that crap that you quoted of the car. Some of us don't like to scroll through pages of the same stuff we have read for days.

i'm done arguing w/ him. he must own a Civic SI or something...I have insider sources at GM and I can't post what they have told me, but its EXACTLY panning out JUST like I heard. You can call BS and whatnot, thats fine by me, i wish i could share, but like I said, when I have my turbo cobalt ss this coming june/july/august...i'll take pics of them and post em here! :D

CobaltSScrazy

I take it back, the new EPA requirements are only 27.5mpg average for small cars for 2008. Trucks must be 21mpg. It was actually only a 13% increase in average mpg for cars due to the more realistic testing producing lower numbers. The requirement hasn't changed, just the testing.

The new SS cobalt does meet this requirement 23 city, 32 freeway.

Yeah, I hear you, I'm done.

loving the turbo but im still waitin for the toyota ft-hs hahaha

all i can say it's about time GM , The cobalt should have been turbo from day 1 , when this rolls out i will once again be a SS owner .

I also hope they have mods ready this time the long wait for the stage kits was BS ..

wow i feel like shit i just got an 07 balt and have put only 2 g miles on it.

[QUOTEvery interesting since if you look closely at the pics posted on "http://jalopnik.com/photogallery/semachevycobaltss/" the seats are OBVIOUSLY cloth, not leather...also, the speedometer and tach are lined up EXACTLY the same, only making it possible for 160 MPH, gaining 55HP, shouldn't it at least gain 5 MPH to the top speed??[/QUOTE]

Regardless of the HP gains, I think the issue with the top speed is that it would me more likely to be gear limited, not HP limited. 160 mph is fast enough... how many times do you expect to be cruising along at 160mph in the states or canada... Maybe if we were in Germany you would use your top end more. I would me more concerned with the low end torque, acceleration, and handling.

wow this is going to be crazy I can not wait till this happens I am def trading the sedan in for it. do yu guys think it will be availble on a sedan? and do you think they will offer it both in automatic and manual transmission or just manual like the supercharger to make it feel more sporty. But hey I think that they should just come out with a 2.2 supercharger or turbo kit for us GM guys scion TC's have the TRD department why cant we do something like that idk beats me. ok guys ill be back on the boards tommrow im sure this will have plenty of views and replies by tommorow goodnight all.

the scion tc's have discontinued the bolt on supercharger. i ask one of their representatives @ the car show @ the convention center back in '06-07. the dude didnt even know what a 4-bolt main engine was! i explained it to him and he was like 'im not sure if the tc has a 4 bolt or not.' for those who dont know: it goes back to the good ol days of high performancein the 60's and 70's. in a V-8 engine they would have the these caps that hold the crankshaft to the engine block. they usually had 2 bolts. only in heavy duty high performance engines did they receive 2 bolts on each side. but only the center 3 main caps.:guns: this includes big & small block engines. what does this mean? from what ive read and experienced, 4bolt main engines can turn higher rpm than a 2 bolt. also meaning more room for more power throughout the power band. :) anyways the 2.0 engine in ss/sc cobalt is a 4 bolt main eng. so bring on the power boys. lets show them imports what american muscle is made of!:guns:

[QUOTE=JonyyB;1592952]Before I pay for this, does anyone already have this info?
http://www.sae.org/technical/standards/CPGM1_08LNFCOBA

Hey bro, check the July 2008 Car and Driver. There is a 1 page writeup on the turbo Cobalt in it. You'll find your numbers there.

Here's the PDF to the SAE J1349 engine power curves:

http://media.gm.com/us/powertrain/en/product_services/2009/HPT%20Library/Ecotec/2009%20LNF/2009_20L_LNF_Cobalt%20SS.pdf

The scaling for the torque curve is not the same as the scale for the hp curve, hence the weird crossover point (2500 RPM vs 5250 RPM).