Was to make the LSD standard but they fucked up again.

how many cars do you have

ATLEAST tho it is an option. They could have just not put it on there at all haha.

how many cars do you have

3. 4th on order

jesus every time i check your sig its a dfferent car do you kill people for a living

ATLEAST tho it is an option. They could have just not put it on there at all haha.

I totally have the vibe that GM just said fuck it. Change the engine and keep it as it is. Design this car as cheap as possible.

jesus every time i check your sig its a dfferent car do you kill people for a living

I've had the IRL and SS for months. My E55 sold so i went and bought another corvette

what do you have on order?

they could have, but at least it's an option...
what kind of car are you ordering??

I totally have the vibe that GM just said fuck it. Change the engine and keep it as it is. Design this car as cheap as possible.



I've had the IRL and SS for months. My E55 sold so i went and bought another corvette

yah i see the whole keeping it cheap thing lets just hope it helps keep the price down a little.

they could have, but at least it's an option...
what kind of car are you ordering??

Girlfriend has an Black SRT4 on order

anyone else want awd besides me?!?!?!?!?!

anyone else want awd besides me?!?!?!?!?!
Roger that!!

If LSD is that big of a deal to someone they can just order the car with one. I dont think GM fucked up at all by not making the LSD standard, some people driving the car wont even know what LSD is.

anyone else want awd besides me?!?!?!?!?!

I want an F-ing 6th gear too, but they dropped the ball on that one :rolleyes:

I want an F-ing 6th gear too, but they dropped the ball on that one :rolleyes:

Agreed, we really do need a 6th gear, the f-ing svt focus had one...

yep, let's do everything that the people say this car "needs"!! awd, 6 speed, standard lsd, suspension to fix wheel hop, etc! then you know what? 95% of the people on this site wouldn't be able to afford it!

anyone else want awd besides me?!?!?!?!?!

i dont understand... i always see people saying, "i want awd and a turbo!" why the fuck did you guys buy the cobalt if you want awd/rwd and a turbo? not trying to be an ass, but seriously guys damn, that's like me buying an sti when i want a v8 and rwd.

it was done cheap as possable the swapped a motor into it and called it a day. Oh and it has standard rims that used to be accesories ... Turbo is maxed out makin 230-240 to the wheels. Looks exactly the same as the ss/sc SWEET! Hey atleast it comes in white now!

yep, let's do everything that the people say this car "needs"!! awd, 6 speed, standard lsd, suspension to fix wheel hop, etc! then you know what? 95% of the people on this site wouldn't be able to afford it!

The only thing that I think it really NEEDS is the 6th gear. I agree all that other stuff would push the price way too much, but a different tranny with 6 gears wouldnt up the price too much would it? AWD would bring it up quite a bit.

yep, let's do everything that the people say this car "needs"!! awd, 6 speed, standard lsd, suspension to fix wheel hop, etc! then you know what? 95% of the people on this site wouldn't be able to afford it!

:lol:

Then get a better job. Making an LSD standard would have maybe brought the MSRP up 500 dollars. Everyone can afford that.

As for the POS 5spd manual from the LSJ. The drop of final drive was not enough. Should have dropped it to 3.55 like the 9-3 has.

The only thing that I think it really NEEDS is the 6th gear. I agree all that other stuff would push the price way too much, but a different tranny with 6 gears wouldnt up the price too much would it? AWD would bring it up quite a bit.

awd would mean huge sale drops for gm. gm can't compete with the sti/evo in that specific market...no american car company could just barge in there and take those two cars on directly, they would get dominated. Subaru and mitsubishi OWN that market. a 6-speed wouldn't necessarily push up the cost too much, but they could bump up the price more if they wanted to.

I would assume they did try to get this one out as cheaply as possible . It will only be on the market for 1.5 years then this generation is over . John Heinrecy has said there was no performance or fuel economy gain with the F40 6-speed trans , even back before the SS/SC was out in 2004 he said it was tested extensively with the supercharged car . Seeing as how its a literal direct swap , a fuel economy gain alone would put the 6-speed in there without question .

The next gen Astra and the SAAB 9-1 will get AWD , the Cobalt will not . Home fabbers betters scrounge the salvage yards and be very versed in GMLAN electronics :D

:lol:

Then get a better job. Making an LSD standard would have maybe brought the MSRP up 500 dollars. Everyone can afford that.

As for the POS 5spd manual from the LSJ. The drop of final drive was not enough. Should have dropped it to 3.55 like the 9-3 has.

i named a bunch of things... you mentioned one of them :lol:

No AWD for me... not worth the price and weight and power loss. Especially for only 260hp.

SS hood. Diff facias, BETTER LOOKING RIMS, 6-speed. The suspension was revamped so wheel hop may not be an issue. I am just really dissappointed in the overal looks. I would expect it to be better looking. I really wanted an SS hood too...humph

I want to see interior pictures....anyway, atleast it comes in white. But the Rims are nasty...I like the upgraded brakes and some more suspension work though.

they also needed to expand the trunk opening

they also needed to expand the trunk opening

*2 that's the one thing i don't like about a Balt big trunk little opening, 6th gear why do u need it to get killed or to get your licence revoked.

i dunno what u guys want a six speed for u think u have to shift lots now while city driving take a 6 speed for a spin and see how you like it, not being an ass or anything I just would rather keep the shifting to a minimum.

Can I ask what is LSD?? Sorry I'm a newb... (I know it stands for Limited Slip Differential)

Can I ask what is LSD?? Sorry I'm a newb... (I know it stands for Limited Slip Differential)

Its like posi on a RWD

Sorry...dunno what posi is either :(?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limited_slip_differential

All you need.

even though i ended up buying an RSX-S... i'm excited for the SS/TC... heck, i was excited for the SS/SC.

from what i've read, it seems like the TC takes everything good about the SC and improved on it.

a 6 speed is nice, but again, the reason why Civic Si's and RSX-S-es have 6-speeds is because each shift only drops the tach about 1500rpms... so those cars need that to allow them to stay in their powerband. with a torque curve as flat as the LNF engine has, a properly geared 5-speed is perfect. i think i remember reading something in some review of the SS/SC; the author had stated that the SS/SC's transmission seemed like it would be happier in a turbocharged car... so there you go!

i wonder what class the SCCA will be putting the SS/TC in for AutoX. i can't wait to see how they perform in AutoX.

other than that, i would have loved to have seen the rear glass of the car lift up, like in the RSX... it would still keep the lines of the coupe, but would add so much more functionality to the car by giving it a bigger trunk opening. if an SS/SC had a liftback, i would have gotten it over the RSX.

i dunno what u guys want a six speed for u think u have to shift lots now while city driving take a 6 speed for a spin and see how you like it, not being an ass or anything I just would rather keep the shifting to a minimum.

Main benefit you get most of the time from having a 6-speed is the 2nd overdrive gear. It's a lot more useful on larger engines like v6/v8 that get bad fuel economy and need to compensate for it with gearing. Yeah some cars have sport designed 6-speeds but when you're racing in most circumstances you'll never be in those gears.

The Cobalt SS/SC already gets 20/28 mpg with the new revised ratings while the Solstice GXP gets 19/28 with the new ratings. The Solstice weighs more, is RWD, and has a massive coefficient of drag. Negating all 3 with the Cobalt SS/TC should give a even higher fuel economy score while offering even more power than the previous SS/SC and still eb bale to run 87 octane if needed thanks to the DI.

man imagine if gm did it right the first time where we would be with this car.... You would probaly see more starbursts then skittles runnin around

8:22. Yeah....They went real cheap on it. I mean, only beating the Sports-Compact FWD by record by 13 seconds. WTF GM? How about you try next time?

My Nissian Sentra SE-R Spev V NEEDS a 6th gear. My Cobalt does not. I imange that more torque from the LNF would make it even less noticable. (not that I would be against a 6speed.)

The SS/TC has better brakes and suspension than the SS/SC. So they did a little bit more than dropping in a differnet powerplant. Also there is the No-lift shifting. Which will be nice.

I kinda like the rims better than the SS/SCs too. But Im not really a big fan of either of them. Unless ofcourse, the SS/TC has lighter rims.

8:22. Yeah....They went real cheap on it. I mean, only beating the Sports-Compact FWD by record by 13 seconds. WTF GM? How about you try next time?

My Nissian Sentra SE-R Spev V NEEDS a 6th gear. My Cobalt does not. I imange that more torque from the LNF would make it even less noticable. (not that I would be against a 6speed.)

The SS/TC has better brakes and suspension than the SS/SC. So they did a little bit more than dropping in a differnet powerplant. Also there is the No-lift shifting. Which will be nice.

I kinda like the rims better than the SS/SCs too. But Im not really a big fan of either of them. Unless ofcourse, the SS/TC has lighter rims.

are you talking about the time attack cobalt? I dont know why people still find that so rediculosuly impressive, it was a factory backed, purpose built race car, of course its gonna be fast. Gimme a mazdaspeed protege and the amount of money they dropped in that balt and it'll smoke that record. woohoo.

Was to make the LSD standard but they fucked up again.

why make it standard??? thats stupid....

3. 4th on order

can i have, some money?
lol.

Keep in mind the Cobalt is an econo car... Even the TC and SC are still econo cars...

Shit lets make the Aveo a twin turbo'd AWD diesel.....thatd be cool.....

and i pointed out that i was hoping they'd make LSD standard a few days ago..it's kind of stupid to not make it standard....kind of like no side airbags or fucking ABS ON A 2007 COBALT LT! THEN you reearend some old bitch that pulls out in front of you!
Fucking GM. GOtta love em.
lol

Keep in mind the Cobalt is an econo car... Even the TC and SC are still econo cars...

Shit lets make the Aveo a twin turbo'd AWD diesel.....thatd be cool.....

rofl. how about a duece turbo with a single supercharger..what the hell would you call that?
SUPERTWINTURBOCHARGED
...AVEO....

Keep in mind the Cobalt is an econo car... Even the TC and SC are still econo cars...

Shit lets make the Aveo a twin turbo'd AWD diesel.....thatd be cool.....

that would actually be VERY cool. I'd buy one for sure. i am waiting to see the first company to make a small awd car with a huge turbo-diesel cummins or something....imagine-

3,000 lbs 900 ft lbs and awd....that launch would be....




OH MAH GAWT! :bye:

you'd break your neck.

and i pointed out that i was hoping they'd make LSD standard a few days ago..it's kind of stupid to not make it standard....kind of like no side airbags or fucking ABS ON A 2007 COBALT LT! THEN you reearend some old bitch that pulls out in front of you!
Fucking GM. GOtta love em.
lol

You said it yourself... LT....

emmissions failed with the lsj... so they threw the solstice gxp/sky redline powerplant into it and made a few changes so everything suspension/stopping wise would be up to par with the new powerplant.

afaik they just took the regular ss/sc tranny and changed the gearing around(if they even did that).

They aren't building this car to be a top performer. They have the upcomming camaro, solstice/sky, corvette, etc. for that. They are building it to be a cheap tuner car. CHEAP. I'm sure they thought long and hard about adding those things to the car, but it just didn't fall into the price range they wanted to sell them at.

awd would mean huge sale drops for gm. gm can't compete with the sti/evo in that specific market...no american car company could just barge in there and take those two cars on directly, they would get dominated. Subaru and mitsubishi OWN that market. a 6-speed wouldn't necessarily push up the cost too much, but they could bump up the price more if they wanted to.

even tho the turbo balt beat out the sti in the time attack :D :D :D

but he is totaly rite..

AWD would push the price up + why do people want awd soo bad? if u want awd go buy a awd car lol...its fwd for a reason..primarly good handeling (so does awd) and because if they switchd it to awd just for the ss that means they would have to produce it in another plant costing LOTS OF MONEY notice why the price of a evo is soo much more then a ralliart...

are you talking about the time attack cobalt? I dont know why people still find that so rediculosuly impressive, it was a factory backed, purpose built race car, of course its gonna be fast. Gimme a mazdaspeed protege and the amount of money they dropped in that balt and it'll smoke that record. woohoo.

No. Im talking about the stock TC cobalt running Nurburgring in this thread:

http://cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.php?t=82456

Just to give you an idea on how it did:

7:11 - McLaren F1 (GTR?), Mika Hakkinen, [2] (* not an official source)
7:12 - BMW M3 GTR ( driven by Hans Joachim Stuck )
7:12 - Radical SR3 Turbo, 320 PS/500 kg (test drive 07/03)

8:13 - BMW M5 E60, 507 PS (sport auto 12/04)
8:13 - Ferrari 355 GTB (Sport Auto 10/1994)
8:17 - Porsche 996 C2 [citation needed]
8:22 - Chevy Cobalt SS 2008 2.0 Turbo (Source GM)
8:22 - Nissan Skyline GT-R R32, 280 PS/36 kgf·m/1430 kg, Motoharu Kurosawa (Best Motoring - Video Special DVD Series [The R32 GT-R])
8:22 - BMW M3 E46, 343 PS/1584 kg (sport auto 12/00)
8:22 - BMW M Coupe E36/7, 321 PS/1445 kg (sport auto 10/98)
8:22 - Mercedes CLK 63 AMG (fastest AMG test engineer)
8:24 - Subaru Impreza WRX STI, sport tires (Sport Auto 05/04)
8:25 - Jaguar XKR (Sport Auto)
8:25 - Porsche Cayman S (Sport Auto)


8:38 - Honda NSX (sport auto, 08/97)
8:39 - MazdaSpeed 3 Mark Ticehurst
8:39 - Honda S2000 (sport auto 01/00)


Nurburgring is how production track cars are measured. I've walked my buddy's Mazdaspeed protege a few times. Never had it in the twisties. But im sure It wouldnt be able to keep up with the SS/TC 8:22 without a lot of work.

And snice everyone wants to compare the $21,590.00 FWD car to a $28987 dollar car AWD car (base prices for both.)

8:11 - Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IX GSR prototype, 280 PS/40.8 kgf·m/1420 kg, Takayuki Kinoshita (Best Motoring International video "Carrera Invasion")

8:24 - Mitsubishi Charisma GT Evo VI, sport tires (Sport Auto 11/99)
8:25 - Mitsubishi Charisma GT Evo VII, sport tires (Sport Auto 11/02)

why make it standard??? thats stupid....

:lol:

Because it would have made the car .2 tenths faster in the quarter mile.

This is ALL GM had to do and the car would have been golden....

08 SS
LNF - 260hp/260lbstq
CLOTH interior - You don't NEED leather
Lightweight 17's with 245/40ZR17 rubber
6Spd Manual with 3.55 final drive ratio
LSD
Race Tuned Suspension
6 Disc In Dash Cd Player

Sunroof - 699.99 Dollar Option

Price : 22,999 plus TTL

BUT i like the LNF SS. I will be ordering one.

That's an amazing list. I don't see a whole lot of FWD sport compact cars in there :D This car will more than likely silence the critics in no time. I'm giddy with curiosity. LOL

if u want it order it if not don't. not everyone is gung hoe like most of us on this site!:D

CObaltSScrazy

One thing GM really needed to do...

Functioning SS Hood
Projector lights
Diamond Mesh ALL AROUND
Six-speed tranny
Brembos ALL AROUND
Aluminum Sport Pedals with a DEAD PEDAL...
LSD standard
Lower grille standard
Duals (if the GXP and the RedLine have them...)
Recaros

And last but not least... Fix the damn sunroof button bezel!! :lol: Mine still falls out...

Thoughts?? :cssNET: :cssNET:

One thing GM really needed to do...

Functioning SS Hood - Ok Maybe
Projector lights - Not Needed
Diamond Mesh ALL AROUND - Not Needed
Six-speed tranny - Needed
Brembos ALL AROUND - Needed
Aluminum Sport Pedals with a DEAD PEDAL... - Not Needed
LSD standard - Needed
Lower grille standard - Not Needed
Duals (if the GXP and the RedLine have them...) - Not Needed
Recaros - Not Needed

And last but not least... Fix the damn sunroof button bezel!! :lol: Mine still falls out...

Thoughts?? :cssNET: :cssNET:

All that shit would increase the price

All that shit would increase the price

Absolutely. But not by much. The most expensive "shit" is the LSD. And the way Chevy priced the G85 package, it would come out on the cheap. My guess is the LSD for the 08 will be a factory-installed option, not a package. That being said, aside from the LSD, and now knowing the six-speed will not be offered, the most expensive part from my list would be the hood. And really, how hard is it to have the same mesh inserts around the whole car?? Maybe I'm nitpicking here, but they got right on the new Malibu LTZs and the Equinox Sports... :cssNET: :cssNET:

Absolutely. But not by much. The most expensive "shit" is the LSD. And the way Chevy priced the G85 package, it would come out on the cheap. My guess is the LSD for the 08 will be a factory-installed option, not a package. That being said, aside from the LSD, and now knowing the six-speed will not be offered, the most expensive part from my list would be the hood. And really, how hard is it to have the same mesh inserts around the whole car?? Maybe I'm nitpicking here, but they got right on the new Malibu LTZs and the Equinox Sports... :cssNET: :cssNET:

I see what you're saying but you need to realize that gm doesn't care. If they did they would listen and give us everything we really wanted. I for one am ordering an LNF SS as a stripper. No crazy options.. Only the G85

I see what you're saying but you need to realize that gm doesn't care. If they did they would listen and give us everything we really wanted. I for one am ordering an LNF SS as a stripper. No crazy options.. Only the G85

I think they listen to a few things on the street. When I bought my 05, two months later I received a call from a GM rep wanting to know what type of accessories and mods I would like to see for the SS/SC. And voila!! Stage kits... :rolleyes: Seriously, they listen, and not just to me. CSS.net putting out that petition is probably the reason the 08 will be coming in white. I am seriously thinking about trading in the 05 for a white or black SS with everything except OnStar and push this puppy as the daily driver... :cssNET: :cssNET:

I think they listen to a few things on the street. When I bought my 05, two months later I received a call from a GM rep wanting to know what type of accessories and mods I would like to see for the SS/SC. And voila!! Stage kits... :rolleyes: Seriously, they listen, and not just to me. CSS.net putting out that petition is probably the reason the 08 will be coming in white. I am seriously thinking about trading in the 05 for a white or black SS with everything except OnStar and push this puppy as the daily driver... :cssNET: :cssNET:

Did they release a list of options that will be available on the LNF SS?

i dont want lsd

i dont want lsd

I would LOVE to hear your reasons why

because for some people the result doesnt justify the cost.

Did they release a list of options that will be available on the LNF SS?

No they haven't. But if you haven't read the press release, here's the link. It does mention the LSD as an option. :cssNET: :cssNET:

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/10/30/sema-2007-cobalt-ss-turbo-makes-sema-debut/

because for some people the result doesnt justify the cost.

Then why do most of them plan on modding it? NOT going with the LSD option is just retarded on a FWD performance car.

says who?

I dont do ANY track cornering, all my driving is leasurely commuting with the cruise control.

my spirited driving is on a 1/4 mile, and I cut 2.1 60fts on bald pirellis with no LSD.

is a $1000 LSD worth it to me?

not even slightly.

It all depends on your driving style, not everybody needs the best of the best when it comes to performance

says who?

I dont do ANY track cornering, all my driving is leasurely commuting with the cruise control.

my spirited driving is on a 1/4 mile, and I cut 2.1 60fts on bald pirellis with no LSD.

is a $1000 LSD worth it to me?

not even slightly.

:lol:

Since when is the LSD only beneficial in road racing and auto X? An LSD will lessen 60ft times by .1 or .2. That's not beneficial to you? :lol:

One thing GM really needed to do...

Functioning SS Hood

How expensive do u want this car . The Suburu and the MS3 have intercoolers on the engine , their scoops are functional therefore have purpose . No room for an effective ram air type ducted hood .

Projector lights

This generation Cobalt is over in 2009 , think next gen ;)

Diamond Mesh ALL AROUND

all around where . Its already in the rear grills . And if u read GM's press release clearly , most did not ......they stated *new diamond mesh lower grill , matching diamond mesh upper grill * . The yellow Sema car is not a production car , therefore little stuff might be ommited .


Brembos ALL AROUND

For what , just because . They put the best , where the best is needed . The rear brakes imo are impressive as well .....even without the brembo name on the caliper .

Aluminum Sport Pedals with a DEAD PEDAL...

Totally agree with u there .

LSD standard

Its a cheap $750 option ( youd spend over a grand installing a quaife after the fact ) , dont forget to click the option box ;) Im sure , like the 2005-2007's the base price in comparison to its competition will reflect the lack of standard LSD . We'll see if GM is wise . Base price imo , should be $21,995 as the MS3's base with LSD standard and about the same standards everywhere else is $22,495 .

Lower grille standard

See GM press release

Duals (if the GXP and the RedLine have them...)

The GXP and Redline both cost more than $30K . Dual outlets are nothing more than eye candy on 4 cyl .

Recaros

How do u know the new seats are not superior ?? The Link cloth material and Alcantara suede are 100% better materials and they look as supported in the bolsters ...and their standard .

And last but not least... Fix the damn sunroof button bezel!! :lol: Mine still falls out...

AMEN :D !!!!!!!

Thoughts?? :cssNET: :cssNET:

Sorry to pick your post apart , dont take it personal ......Im bored at work :D :D :D

:lol:

Since when is the LSD only beneficial in road racing and auto X? An LSD will lessen 60ft times by .1 or .2. That's not beneficial to you? :lol:

when someone proves that to me ill believe it, ive been asking for over a year, no one ever answers with hard proof.
ive yet to see any proof that an LSD is going to knock ANY time off a 60ft, unless your a horribly poor driver and spin it like a madman off the line.

How expensive do u want this car . The Suburu and the MS3 have intercoolers on the engine , their scoops are functional therefore have purpose . No room for an effective ram air type ducted hood .



This generation Cobalt is over in 2009 , think next gen ;)



all around where . Its already in the rear grills . And if u read GM's press release clearly , most did not ......they stated *new diamond mesh lower grill , matching diamond mesh upper grill * . The yellow Sema car is not a production car , therefore little stuff might be ommited .




For what , just because . They put the best , where the best is needed . The rear brakes imo are impressive as well .....even without the brembo name on the caliper .



Totally agree with u there .



Its a cheap $750 option ( youd spend over a grand installing a quaife after the fact ) , dont forget to click the option box ;) Im sure , like the 2005-2007's the base price in comparison to its competition will reflect the lack of standard LSD . We'll see if GM is wise . Base price imo , should be $21,995 as the MS3's base with LSD standard and about the same standards everywhere else is $22,495 .



See GM press release



The GXP and Redline both cost more than $30K . Dual outlets are nothing more than eye candy on 4 cyl .



How do u know the new seats are not superior ?? The Link cloth material and Alcantara suede are 100% better materials and they look as supported in the bolsters ...and their standard .



AMEN :D !!!!!!!



Sorry to pick your post apart , dont take it personal ......Im bored at work :D :D :D


No offense at all. Hopefully the LSD option stays on the cheap. Those wannabe Z06 wheels are OK, but the wheels on that crazy Solstice from the Sema show would work just fine for me.

i wonder if they corrected that nasty steering knuckle collapse problem some of the SS/SC guys on here seemed to have with hard racing.

The beefier ones are pricey as hell too .

Ive never even heard of them breaking before..

when someone proves that to me ill believe it, ive been asking for over a year, no one ever answers with hard proof.
ive yet to see any proof that an LSD is going to knock ANY time off a 60ft, unless your a horribly poor driver and spin it like a madman off the line.

unless the cobalt is different from every other car on the planet, then there is hard proof. 2 wheel drive > 1 wheel peel.





edit: what kind of lsd do you guys have though? that does make a difference.

then why doesnt the proof reflect it.

IMO the cobalt does not benefit in a straight line at the power levels most people are at.

because every good launch ive had has always had no spin.
and no spin means the LSD wouldnt change anything.

This isnt to say it may not give benefits at higher power levels, etc.....
if guys with non LSD were all doing 2.2+ and LSD guys were doing 2.0s maybe,
but that just isnt happening.
at this point, an LSD for drag racing is a waste of money for myself personally.