Anyone see this happening? (Perhaps only for the 4 door TC/SS)

I think it will because the HHR has it.

I can't see GM certifying LNF/4 speed auto just for the HHR-SS. Spreading out that cost would be a good move. I just wish we had the 6 speed auto with paddle shifters.

mmmmmm no, learn to drive a stick

lolz

Currently on the GM Powertrain no automatic Trans is listed for the LNF Cobalt.

We have not seen a peep about the 4-door LNF yet other then it will come after the coupe, so I guess we will just have to wait and see.

mmmmmm no, learn to drive a stick

Look at his signature, he HAD a 5-speed...

Personally the only way i would bother to get a ss/tc would be for a 4-door automatic... If i wanted an F/I 5-speed Cobalt i would just save my money and TC my 2.4 that i have now.

I'm sure it will be released in 4 door automatic just like the HHR SS. Having the car in automatic, like it or not, opens it up to a whole other market of potential sales.

I'm sure it will be released in 4 door automatic just like the HHR SS. Having the car in automatic, like it or not, opens it up to a whole other market of potential sales.

You effectively double your market that way. Alot of people will want the car, but won't want to mess with a manual.
It's good and bad. Good in that with that much more market, Vendors are more likely to come out with performance upgrades
Bad in that you think your the shit driving around in your 2009 SS/TC, and then grandma pulls up beside you in one that's the same color. :lol:

The problem with the 4-speed in the HHR SS is it's limited on HP to 236 HP I believe it is instead of 260HP.

Automatic transmissioned boosted cars use boost more effectivly then manual transmissioned boosted cars due to the faster shifts between ears. It allows for the boost levels to stay higher then drop to zero and need to be pumped back up again. It'd sure be nice if GM did this.

i agree..i hate driving stick its a pain in the ass sometimes but w/e i much rather an automatic but rather have the hp of the manuals

i agree..i hate driving stick its a pain in the ass sometimes but w/e i much rather an automatic but rather have the hp of the manuals

Stop your bitching

Automatic transmissioned boosted cars use boost more effectivly then manual transmissioned boosted cars due to the faster shifts between ears. It allows for the boost levels to stay higher then drop to zero and need to be pumped back up again. It'd sure be nice if GM did this.

But, GM also introduced the "no-lift" shift under WOT so it could control the throttle during shifting to help maintain boost between shifts.

Automatic transmissioned boosted cars use boost more effectivly then manual transmissioned boosted cars due to the faster shifts between ears. It allows for the boost levels to stay higher then drop to zero and need to be pumped back up again. It'd sure be nice if GM did this.

that is pointless with the no lift shift feature of the stick CSS T

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No auto for the coupe ....expect the automatic as an option in the 4 door SS , lower power output and all .

The problem with the 4-speed in the HHR SS is it's limited on HP to 236 HP I believe it is instead of 260HP.Actually the automatic HHR is 250HP 222lb/ft
Wop

Stop your bitching

quit your hating on an automatic 2.0 LNF. Don't like it--get the manual.

I do miss a 5 speed but it makes my rush hour commute HELL. I arrive home all pised off.

Maybe I should convert the Formula to a 6 speed for some hassle free cruising....

quit your hating on an automatic 2.0 LNF. Don't like it--get the manual.

I do miss a 5 speed but it makes my rush hour commute HELL. I arrive home all pised off.

Maybe I should convert the Formula to a 6 speed for some hassle free cruising....

You hit the nail on the head. It's all about convienence (at least for me) when you're commuting each day.

The lease is up on my 05 LS next spring and I'm crossing my fingers that an automatic turbo will be available. The lack of an automatic SS/SC is what prevented me from getting it back in 2005...

mmmmmm no, learn to drive a stick

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...live in a stop and go are much?

I think if they can put an auto in the solstice GXP,they can do it in the ss/tc

I think if they can put an auto in the solstice GXP,they can do it in the ss/tc

It's got nothing to do with weather they can or cannot. But, putting it simply.. the fact that they can put an auto in a SolGXP does not mean they can automatically put one into an ss/tc. They are different platforms, and parts won't directly swap into the other car.
On the other hand, the fact that the HHR SS will have an Auto option does mean they have parts readily available which can be swapped directly into the ss/tc with little work.

The major issue is really weather they will want to offer an auto option. They are offering the auto in the HHR because the HHR is more of a commuter car on steroids. The ss/tc is really designed to be a peppy fun-to-drive little car. They are for different crowds.

interesting question. I had previously thought they would do this too. I am hoping that they don't though. I mean, it IS about convenience, but I personally think they should keep the performance cars in the hands of the people who know how to drive them and are car enthusiasts/at least know how to drive stick. I personally hated driving my auto 2.2L, great car, wonderful to drive, but boring and very limiting. I say they only keep it manual. I would hate to come to a stop light to see an SS/TC, and want to talk or something, only to have it be some spoiled girl or some body who doens't take care of it and just drives it.

You effectively double your market that way. Alot of people will want the car, but won't want to mess with a manual.
It's good and bad. Good in that with that much more market, Vendors are more likely to come out with performance upgrades
Bad in that you think your the shit driving around in your 2009 SS/TC, and then grandma pulls up beside you in one that's the same color. :lol:

I agree with this. I kind of like it only manual, makes people who have it, you know they're usually enthusiasts and not just driving it to drive it.

Automatic transmissioned boosted cars use boost more effectivly then manual transmissioned boosted cars due to the faster shifts between ears. It allows for the boost levels to stay higher then drop to zero and need to be pumped back up again. It'd sure be nice if GM did this.

This is truth, I'd prefer manual though, but yeah auto keeps your boost up.

honestly i wouldnt get a turboed cobalt sedan....the coup just looks better. besides the sedan doesnt strike me as "sporty" like an evo or sti....

GXP Solstice automatic is faster than the manual.......it advertised the "no lift" marking hype also at the start for the manual.
Facts are facts manual you have to let off the gas to shift, boost drops, no electronics are going to change that completely

Personally though I believe the Cobalt should only be a manual and IF GM does automatic it needs to be something like in the G6(6spd shifter),........and if it wasn't so damn exspensive DSG for automatic(i mean the C7 vette will have it so they are already looking into it etc...)

Personally I'd love to have a 6spd manual, so it would be great for cruising, or well to put it simple "fun driving"
I have a 2.4L Cobalt, and soon as weather gets bad enought o get out the truck for winter I'll be doing a hahn turbo......but it's still an automatic I had alot more fun even IN stop and go traffic(downtown Atlanta, 6days a week, 3-4x a day etc...)in my 6spd GTi 1.8Turbo but it was a money pit with TON of issues........not one problem with ANY Chevrolet to date

Trailblazer SS
Colorado Z71 4x4
Cobalt 2.4L

It would be way better if it was a 6 spd manual instead of a 5 spd for cruising.

Boost drop on the manual should not be too bad with this car because of the small turbo, it will still be in boost at the lower RPM's. That is if you can shift reasonably fast.

I don't see the problem with an Auto version of the LNF cobalt. I personally don't want one, but many do. Better for all if more are sold.

hmmmm2.0 turbo auto..might be interesting...but i rather supercharge my 2,4 auto...to save some money....i alreayd have neg equity..lol...so cant really trade it in 2years so...even though id be almost half done paying off the balt...probably keeping my 2.4 ss 4 LIFE...NEW NEW WORLD ORDER......NWO LOL

Ehh, dosent make a difference to me. Ill have a turbo sedan not to long from now..:lol:.

I pref a manual, but due to sooo much damn highway every single day (3+ hours, 7 days a week) i said screw that, id kill myself if i had to manual it all that time every day. Would be nice for those that have this issue too, but i dont see it happening. Just a gut feeling i guess.

Ill buy one with an auto if they are availible. Faster at the track and easy to dd which is what i use mine for.

I love my SS/SC enough to deal with its manual transmission. however, had it been offered with an automatic tranny i most likely would have gotten that option. buyer statistics show more people buy automatics. the unforgiving 5 speed turned alot of people away from the ss/sc, so if GM wants to sell more of the ss/tc, they will offer automatic. but they may want to keep it a manual-only car like the cough*civicSi*cough. nobody will know until they hit the dealers.

I hope they do an auto 2.0 turbo. Stop n go around my area sucks for a stick, thats why I got my auto balt when I traded in. Plus, I should be outta basic and almost done with tech school when this car comes out, so I should have enough save for a nice down payment if they do make an auto.

Meh... talk about living in traffic. I live right outside Los Angeles. The 405 freeway is one of the busiest freeways in the states; not to mention all the hills, when there is stop n go traffic.

Maybe it's cause I started off in an automatic as a first car... Driving a stick really gives you so much more enjoyment; stick is definately for the car enthusiast. I Don't think I'll ever switch back; unless I purchased a SUV... then that would just be silly :)

I don't see the problem with an Auto version of the LNF cobalt. I personally don't want one, but many do. Better for all if more are sold.

Exactly right. If Cobalt SS/TC sales double or triple by having an automatic available, it'll benefit ALL of us by making the Cobalt community much more attractive to the aftermarket manufacturers. Sales numbers FTW!

I would definately trade my 2.4 in for a auto ss/tc

Say what you will about it, an automatic transmission will surely help the aftermarket for the LNF Cobalt. Even if it increases sales only 20-30%, thats a significant increase in owners, and also an increase in people willing to buy performance parts. Makes it just that much easier to get the X amount of people you need for group buys.

I would prefer a manual, though i would have to learn how to drive it, where I live I don't have to fight with bad traffic except for the occasional wreck on I-10 or hurricane evacuation so auto isn't a big need for me *shrugs* I just want the feeling of ripping through gears

The major issue is really weather they will want to offer an auto option. They are offering the auto in the HHR because the HHR is more of a commuter car on steroids. The ss/tc is really designed to be a peppy fun-to-drive little car. They are for different crowds.

Perfect correlation:

SRT-4 = manual only
PT Cruiser GT = manual standard, but option for an automatic......

I don't think we'll see an automatic SS/SC and personally I hope we don't.

I say soon GM will dive head first into the DSG setups
Anyone driven the new Equinox Sport, Torrent GXP, Malibu, or G6 GXP? all have the 6sp auto.........very nice for those of us that spend 3+ hrs a day in traffic to make a living.


alleycat58..... Dodge doesn't offer auto in the SRT-4, cause the only auto they have that can handle the power is used on the other SRTs which are MUCH larger. There was a auto SRT4 caliber at one of the auto shows, tech savies at the show all said it would raise the cost above 30grand to sell with the car.


automatics are usually faster with turbo'd cars, you stay in boost, you don't shift etc... biggest fault is most TCMs are tuned for the 60+ year olds
I have a Vector Tune in my Trailblazer SS, and it went from BLAH, to feeling like it manually shifts now. I can break the tires loose from 2nd into 3rd, idiots that have no common sense think it's a manual in the TB SS lol

the ss sedan would look hot if they had a big spoiler like an evo or sti@!...

One advantage of an auto is you can more effectively spool the turbo for launch by brake torqueing than reving a manual with the clutch in.

I say soon GM will dive head first into the DSG setups


They are ;)

autos maybe good for drag racing but are shit for autox or road racing....and a DSG is nothing but a glorified auto, u still have to up or downshift one gear at a time

A car with an automatic is easier to sell. I would not say that a DSG is a glorified auto ,since it is NOT an automatic.

^it has no clutch and it shifts automatically if u let it.....sounds like one to me, also why do companies offer in place of an standard auto and not in place of a manual

don't get me wrong i think new SS should have a manual and a DSG option...im just not that impressed with current DSG technology

Automatic trans cars are easier to sell then manual transmissioned cars are. Face it people are lazy fucks! Shifting a trans requiers effort, more effort then the majority of people these days are willing to exert. That and the fact that most people don't know how to drive a manual transmissioned car. To make a car ONLY a 5 spd KILLS its sales potential. I believe that an automatic SHOULD be an option for the turboed Balts only cause it makes good business sence.

If you don't like to shift, maybe a Buick is more your speed. I dont care if I'm in stop and go, on the freeway or whatever, I have to have a manual.

I would love to see a 5 speed 4 door cobalt ss/tc. I like my auto but 5 speeds and 4 doors = sleeper and I like my sleepers better. :)

What do you mean they are diving in already? Do tell lol I've heard the Vette will have DSG but nothing else..well the XLR but blah to those too out of my budget

DSG is neither auto or manual(it's best of both basically) and anyone not impressed with them.....think you can shift better? or just feel the downshifts are not controlled?(this is where i am on DSG, but i laugh at anyone thinks they shift faster)

there is an Auto Solstice on the auto X circuit and one on the drift circuit, both are doing very very well...

And ask anyone you got to offer automatic and manual to make the sales figures
look at the new Evo, WRX....both have automatics.....both need the sales figures
compare the sales figures of any vehicle with manual and automatic and see how much of a difference offering automatic makes, compared to not offering one.....

The Sky Line is offered with an LNF engine and an automatic trans. But with an auto this engine gets downgraded to 250 hp and 222 ft-lbs.

http://media.gm.com/us/powertrain/en/product_services/2008/Spec%20Sheet/Ecotec/08_LNF.xls

^it has no clutch and it shifts automatically if u let it.....sounds like one to me, also why do companies offer in place of an standard auto and not in place of a manual

don't get me wrong i think new SS should have a manual and a DSG option...im just not that impressed with current DSG technology

DSG has dual clutches... and rev matches shifts for you... ive driven quite a few VWs and its pretty sweet, but after about 10 mins it gets old :lol:. stick FTMFW.... having 2 options will sell more cars but unfortunately bring non enthusiasts to a car such as the cobalt SS/TC

so what there are plenty of non enthusiast driving exotic sports cars, or even your GT500 and Z06......

I just dont get why people make arguments over something that truly does not effect them
if your issue is seeing someone pull up in a Cobalt like yours and them being old......well then maybe you should of looked into a different setup period ;)


I do agree the DSG gets old and it doesnt do well on downshifts, nor is it a great feature on elevation changing twisty roads

should have said clutch pedal.....DSG should replace automatics, but it is no replacement for a manual....let's hope chevy decides to bring out an auto SS for the markets sake, even if its a year down the road