so someone made a thread about the new ss tc in the srtforums. the srt4 guys seemed pretty impressed with it and not talking any shit at all. in fact, i think their having second thoughts about out SS ... DIRECT QUOTE (from a dude in the srtfrums)

"Looks like SRT just got slap in the face."

BOOM SHAKA LAKAAA!!!!

haha; the Cobalt was never a bad car to begin with. They're just to level-headed cause of their BOVs.

haha...you're talking about my post. I got some friends on SRT forums and I made that post to talk to them about it and see what they thought

Thats becuase they are all turbo fanboys :twothumbs

lol i really think the new ss will have a LOT of potential.. even more than srt4s.. idk maybe im an idiot ;)

lol i really think the new ss will have a LOT of potential.. even more than srt4s.. idk maybe im an idiot ;)

they may depending on how strong the internals are and what limits people try to test them to.

they may depending on how strong the internals are and what limits people try to test them to.

well I read that the LNF has cast pistons just like the LSJ so who knows...I doubt that their will be a problem with the #4 cylinder though

I'm a member and I searched and there are 3 threads on the new turbo cobalt...in the other 2 they are basically saying the Cobalt is a shit car, and things like it doesn't handle well, blah blah blah....all sorts of crap.

But when it all comes down to it, they are still driving an f-ing NEON, and no way in HELL does the SRT4 handle better then the SS/SC....

whatever. ignorance is bliss

I'm a member and I searched and there are 3 threads on the new turbo cobalt...in the other 2 they are basically saying the Cobalt is a shit car, and things like it doesn't handle well, blah blah blah....all sorts of crap.

But when it all comes down to it, they are still driving an f-ing NEON, and no way in HELL does the SRT4 handle better then the SS/SC....

whatever. ignorance is bliss

Fear leads to denial. Denial leads to shit talking. Shit talking leads to getting pwned by a SS/TC:lol:

As with people that are not intelligent "Its a Neon" has what to do with the car's performance?

From DAY ONE the Neon has outperformed what used to be the 3rd gen Cavi. Fast forward, it out ran the SS Cobalt Supercharged from DAY ONE. Handling is a bit overrated and no Cobalt ever won 1 Lap Of America or been competitive in SCCA World Challenge.

Its also heavier than the SRT-4, those facts remain and at the end of the day how many 12 second SS are they compared to SRT-4's???

The appearance of the Cobalt being a better handling car is diluted by the fact that GM drops a TON of money into the Grand Am/Koni Challenge program, spent a ton on the Street Tuner Challenge Car and numerous other attempts to gain market share.

All the money GM has spent in GM Performance Parts and I don't see many SS's on the street, street races or the track. The few that do show up are much SLOWER than many of my friends with SRT-4's. My car runs 12.74 as its best ET and 106.34 mph as its best trap speed.

Best overall time is 12.74@105.94 stock turbo, stock intercooler, PCM controlled boost

How many SS's are faster than that???

Now I like the Cobalt don't get me wrong, but the fact remains its not what YOU think it is and that is proven everyday in grassroots competition.

The fastest Cobalts in the country belong to professional racing teams PAID by GM and other sponsors to beat the competition and they DO.

SRT-4 is the fastest compact period - 221mph

Fastest Privately Owned SRT-4 - 9.46@154 (At Pomona two weeks ago)

We don't get money from Chrysler....

Cobalts have a LONG, LONG way to go to catch us and the Turbo SS is a step in the right direction.

Ultimately it is not about who builds a better car, we should be working together to end the import dominated culture of the sport compact world.

I became a member of this broad (years ago) because I support GM's efforts in this market segment. Its the BUYERS of this car that DISAPPOINT ME. You do not own the best car in the world, the Neon is not a POS, the Caliber SRT-4 makes more power and I got news for you, if the SS weighs anywhere near what the Caliber does (3146lbs) with less power its not going to be any faster.

Now if we can agree on the fact that the supercharged SS is a nice car but disappointing and the SS Turbo should have been the way the car was SUPPOSE to be produced then we can continue this discussion without any brand bashing.

As with people that are not intelligent "Its a Neon" has what to do with the car's performance?

From DAY ONE the Neon has outperformed what used to be the 3rd gen Cavi. Fast forward, it out ran the SS Cobalt Supercharged from DAY ONE. Handling is a bit overrated and no Cobalt ever won 1 Lap Of America or been competitive in SCCA World Challenge.

Its also heavier than the SRT-4, those facts remain and at the end of the day how many 12 second SS are they compared to SRT-4's???

The appearance of the Cobalt being a better handling car is diluted by the fact that GM drops a TON of money into the Grand Am/Koni Challenge program, spent a ton on the Street Tuner Challenge Car and numerous other attempts to gain market share.



edit~i find it funny you compared the neon to a cavalier. thats actually pretty rediculous

All the money GM has spent in GM Performance Parts and I don't see many SS's on the street, street races or the track. The few that do show up are much SLOWER than many of my friends with SRT-4's. My car runs 12.74 as its best ET and 106.34 mph as its best trap speed.

Best overall time is 12.74@105.94 stock turbo, stock intercooler, PCM controlled boost

How many SS's are faster than that???

Now I like the Cobalt don't get me wrong, but the fact remains its not what YOU think it is and that is proven everyday in grassroots competition.

The fastest Cobalts in the country belong to professional racing teams PAID by GM and other sponsors to beat the competition and they DO.

SRT-4 is the fastest compact period - 221mph

Fastest Privately Owned SRT-4 - 9.46@154 (At Pomona two weeks ago)

We don't get money from Chrysler....

Cobalts have a LONG, LONG way to go to catch us and the Turbo SS is a step in the right direction.

Ultimately it is not about who builds a better car, we should be working together to end the import dominated culture of the sport compact world.

I became a member of this broad (years ago) because I support GM's efforts in this market segment. Its the BUYERS of this car that DISAPPOINT ME. You do not own the best car in the world, the Neon is not a POS, the Caliber SRT-4 makes more power and I got news for you, if the SS weighs anywhere near what the Caliber does (3146lbs) with less power its not going to be any faster.

Now if we can agree on the fact that the supercharged SS is a nice car but disappointing and the SS Turbo should have been the way the car was SUPPOSE to be produced then we can continue this discussion without any brand bashing.

:twothumbs

i really don't think this crowd can actually say "its a neon" when the same can be said here "its a cobalt". at the end of the day the SS' and SRT-4's are still the performance packages of said base vehicles.

what were the times of stock srt-4's both neon and caliber around "the ring"? I think thats a pretty good comparison of the vehicles OVERALL performance.


edit~i find it funny you actually compared the srt-4 to a cavalier. thats rediculous

As with people that are not intelligent "Its a Neon" has what to do with the car's performance?

From DAY ONE the Neon has outperformed what used to be the 3rd gen Cavi. Fast forward, it out ran the SS Cobalt Supercharged from DAY ONE. Handling is a bit overrated and no Cobalt ever won 1 Lap Of America or been competitive in SCCA World Challenge.

Its also heavier than the SRT-4, those facts remain and at the end of the day how many 12 second SS are they compared to SRT-4's???

The appearance of the Cobalt being a better handling car is diluted by the fact that GM drops a TON of money into the Grand Am/Koni Challenge program, spent a ton on the Street Tuner Challenge Car and numerous other attempts to gain market share.

All the money GM has spent in GM Performance Parts and I don't see many SS's on the street, street races or the track. The few that do show up are much SLOWER than many of my friends with SRT-4's. My car runs 12.74 as its best ET and 106.34 mph as its best trap speed.

Best overall time is 12.74@105.94 stock turbo, stock intercooler, PCM controlled boost

How many SS's are faster than that???

Now I like the Cobalt don't get me wrong, but the fact remains its not what YOU think it is and that is proven everyday in grassroots competition.

The fastest Cobalts in the country belong to professional racing teams PAID by GM and other sponsors to beat the competition and they DO.

SRT-4 is the fastest compact period - 221mph

Fastest Privately Owned SRT-4 - 9.46@154 (At Pomona two weeks ago)

We don't get money from Chrysler....

Cobalts have a LONG, LONG way to go to catch us and the Turbo SS is a step in the right direction.

Ultimately it is not about who builds a better car, we should be working together to end the import dominated culture of the sport compact world.

I became a member of this broad (years ago) because I support GM's efforts in this market segment. Its the BUYERS of this car that DISAPPOINT ME. You do not own the best car in the world, the Neon is not a POS, the Caliber SRT-4 makes more power and I got news for you, if the SS weighs anywhere near what the Caliber does (3146lbs) with less power its not going to be any faster.

Now if we can agree on the fact that the supercharged SS is a nice car but disappointing and the SS Turbo should have been the way the car was SUPPOSE to be produced then we can continue this discussion without any brand bashing.
Gm just isn't what it used to be.

If you want to compare dodge v. gm.. in the long run.. GM made faster cars which were way more weird looking.

http://www.dragtimes.com/images/5351-1986-Buick-Regal.jpg

http://envoy.jeeran.com/syclone7.jpg

http://youtube.com/watch?v=H5UIaFZxIhg

ACR SRT-4 handling>>>> SS/SC handling

you really should stop being ignorant.


:lol: Maybe if you would read what was quoted by me then you wouldn't seem so ignorant. They weren't talking about the SC, but the TC, which holds the record at the ring for the sport compacts. I don't recall the ACR being tuned at the ring btw, so I would like to know where you're getting your facts from. I also bet the Caliber SRT4 doesn't even handle nearly as well as the Neon SRT4 did. Oh and for those whom cry about it when people call it just a Neon, even Dodge didn't want it called the Neon, so whats that say? I like the SRT4 alot, but biased shit talking by fan bois gets you nowhere.

ill take the neon over the cobalt any day...but dj4monie does have a point...look at it this way...srt is a much better bang for the buck...u get killer internals that wont blow until u reach the 600hp mark,u got a mean front end,and ur insurance is cheaper since its a 4 door grocery getter with a boost gauge..

invest 5,000 in both cars..prolly 12 sec cobalt,10 sec srt4

also privetly owned srt4...is that red sled by any chance

also the acr srt4 is a huge handlin improvement over the regular srt4,and will out handle the cobalt anyway,plus kill it all around in breaking,0-60,1/4 mile,top speed,,etc etc

ok well the SRT 4 neon even with MOPAR coil over's and full sway bars coud not out handle a IRL with only lowering springs and a strut tower brace through mullholland hwy. and got passed by a single cam civic with koni's and a nutty driver(wich was awesome but he ended up riding my ass to). the LNF is a LSJ with DI(bosch system) and a turbo.. slap a turbo on a LSJ and you make serious HP. 300+ in what have seen/read. combine that with what a IRL or SS/SC can allready do and it's amazing.


sidenote:boosting 11 pounds by 2k isnt great for traction if ya know what i mean.. having a 13.8 ET with 107 traps mean's potential.

Who is posting biased shit talking???

Has anyone on here heard of the record for fastest sport compact around the ring prior to Chevy bringing it up??? If you think that "record" will last long you are crazy.

Facts: do a search for ACR SRT-4 vs Cobalt SS

Now about the ignorance... why don't you read WHAT I QUOTED. SHE [DSMissed], said that the SRT-4 didn't even outhandle the SS/SC. She is wrong.

Like I said to her and am now saying to you, don't be ignorant.

Isn't an ACR a factory modded SRT4? You're comparing it to a STOCK SS/SC....hmmmm

BTW love how you quoted record, like it's merely a fluke or something. Try looking at the company that record sits in, all V8 performance vehicles.

blah blah blah... The Cobalt clearly was not made for drag racing.So 1/4 mile times don't mean much. The cobalt was made to be a well handling vehicle suited for time attack type driving. It is a very responsive car coming out of turns and has great acceleration from the turn speed to straight-away speed. As shown when it bested the legendary Nissan Skyline's times by seven seconds in Street Tuner Challenge's Time Attack (Of course it was modded but so were all the other cars including the 600HP skyline that was there). The SRT-4 was not made for this kind of driving in my opinion, it was made to be a concrete eating monster without much finesse...More muscle. I don't think it is fair to say which is better because they are both better at what they were designed to do. The Cobalt was designed on the Nurburgring while the SRT-4 was probably designed on a straight strip of asphalt. The times I have seen for drag strips have all been in favor of the SRT, while courses have been in favor of the Cobalt. Apples and Oranges...

blah blah blah... The Cobalt clearly was not made for drag racing.So 1/4 mile times don't mean much. The cobalt was made to be a well handling vehicle suited for time attack type driving. It is a very responsive car coming out of turns and has great acceleration from the turn speed to straight-away speed. As shown when it bested the legendary Nissan Skyline's times by seven seconds in Street Tuner Challenge's Time Attack (Of course it was modded but so were all the other cars including the 600HP skyline that was there). The SRT-4 was not made for this kind of driving in my opinion, it was made to be a concrete eating monster without much finesse...More muscle. I don't think it is fair to say which is better because they are both better at what they were designed to do. The Cobalt was designed on the Nurburgring while the SRT-4 was probably designed on a straight strip of asphalt. The times I have seen for drag strips have all been in favor of the SRT, while courses have been in favor of the Cobalt. Apples and Oranges...

+1!!

blah blah blah... The Cobalt clearly was not made for drag racing.So 1/4 mile times don't mean much. The cobalt was made to be a well handling vehicle suited for time attack type driving. It is a very responsive car coming out of turns and has great acceleration from the turn speed to straight-away speed. As shown when it bested the legendary Nissan Skyline's times by seven seconds in Street Tuner Challenge's Time Attack (Of course it was modded but so were all the other cars including the 600HP skyline that was there). The SRT-4 was not made for this kind of driving in my opinion, it was made to be a concrete eating monster without much finesse...More muscle. I don't think it is fair to say which is better because they are both better at what they were designed to do. The Cobalt was designed on the Nurburgring while the SRT-4 was probably designed on a straight strip of asphalt. The times I have seen for drag strips have all been in favor of the SRT, while courses have been in favor of the Cobalt. Apples and Oranges...


X2!!

Isn't an ACR a factory modded SRT4? You're comparing it to a STOCK SS/SC....hmmmm

BTW love how you quoted record, like it's merely a fluke or something. Try looking at the company that record sits in, all V8 performance vehicles.

X2 Why are people comparing a factory modded car to a average sales car? Thats like saying the the saleen mustang handles better than the camero ss:cool:

Here's some info from the track:
From this http://www.autoblog.com/2007/10/28/o...-bows-at-sema/

GM set a Nürburgring class record for FWD sport compacts with the turbo Cobalt, lapping the Green Hell in 8:22.85
For comparison:
8:22 - Nissan Skyline GT-R R32, 280 PS/36 kgf·m/1430 kg, Motoharu Kurosawa (Best Motoring - Video Special DVD Series [The R32 GT-R])
8:22 - BMW M3 E46, 343 PS/1584 kg (sport auto 12/00)
8:22 - BMW M Coupe E36/7, 321 PS/1445 kg (sport auto 10/98)
8:22 - Mercedes CLK 63 AMG (fastest AMG test engineer)
8:24 - Subaru Impreza WRX STI, sport tires (Sport Auto 05/04)
8:25 - Jaguar XKR (Sport Auto)
8:25 - Porsche Cayman S (Sport Auto)
8:25 - Audi RS4 375 hp [citation needed]
8:26 - BMW 335i E92 Coupe, 306 hp (Sport Auto)
8:26 - Nissan 350Z (Sport Auto 10/03)
8:28 - Porsche 911 Carrera (993) (Sport Auto 07/97)
8:28 - BMW M5 E39 (previous model), 400 hp [citation needed]
8:32 - Porsche Boxster S (Sport Auto 12/99)
8:35 - BMW M3 E36 Coupe, 321 hp [citation needed]
8:36 - Opel Astra OPC, 240 PS/1355 kg, Manuel Reuter (mfr., Oct 2005), sport compact record holder
8:37 - Mercedes C32 AMG [citation needed]
8:38 - Honda NSX (sport auto, 08/97)
8:39 - MazdaSpeed 3 Mark Ticehurst
8:39 - Honda S2000 (sport auto 01/00

I personally am thinking about trading my car for the Caliber SRT-4. You can haul way more shit (better for college) and still go faster than what i have:cool:

As with people that are not intelligent "Its a Neon" has what to do with the car's performance?

From DAY ONE the Neon has outperformed what used to be the 3rd gen Cavi. Fast forward, it out ran the SS Cobalt Supercharged from DAY ONE. Handling is a bit overrated and no Cobalt ever won 1 Lap Of America or been competitive in SCCA World Challenge.

Its also heavier than the SRT-4, those facts remain and at the end of the day how many 12 second SS are they compared to SRT-4's???

The appearance of the Cobalt being a better handling car is diluted by the fact that GM drops a TON of money into the Grand Am/Koni Challenge program, spent a ton on the Street Tuner Challenge Car and numerous other attempts to gain market share.

All the money GM has spent in GM Performance Parts and I don't see many SS's on the street, street races or the track. The few that do show up are much SLOWER than many of my friends with SRT-4's. My car runs 12.74 as its best ET and 106.34 mph as its best trap speed.

Best overall time is 12.74@105.94 stock turbo, stock intercooler, PCM controlled boost

How many SS's are faster than that???

Now I like the Cobalt don't get me wrong, but the fact remains its not what YOU think it is and that is proven everyday in grassroots competition.

The fastest Cobalts in the country belong to professional racing teams PAID by GM and other sponsors to beat the competition and they DO.

SRT-4 is the fastest compact period - 221mph

Fastest Privately Owned SRT-4 - 9.46@154 (At Pomona two weeks ago)

We don't get money from Chrysler....

Cobalts have a LONG, LONG way to go to catch us and the Turbo SS is a step in the right direction.

Ultimately it is not about who builds a better car, we should be working together to end the import dominated culture of the sport compact world.

I became a member of this broad (years ago) because I support GM's efforts in this market segment. Its the BUYERS of this car that DISAPPOINT ME. You do not own the best car in the world, the Neon is not a POS, the Caliber SRT-4 makes more power and I got news for you, if the SS weighs anywhere near what the Caliber does (3146lbs) with less power its not going to be any faster.

Now if we can agree on the fact that the supercharged SS is a nice car but disappointing and the SS Turbo should have been the way the car was SUPPOSE to be produced then we can continue this discussion without any brand bashing.

The last thing I want to be here is a fanboy but Dodge's race team's that are paid for by Dodge in both Time Attack, Drag, Land speed, everything are destroyed by the Cobalt teams run by GM, thats just fact. However, at the grassroots level the dodges are faster and more popular on the drag strip. At the grassroots level for road racing I dont see either. I don't see any SRT's or SS's out at sebring, the cheapest car I see out there are mini's and they don't make enough power to get out of thier own way even though the steering is that of a go-kart which is fun.

Now if we can agree on the fact that the supercharged SS is a nice car but disappointing and the SS Turbo should have been the way the car was SUPPOSE to be produced then we can continue this discussion without any brand bashing.

I wouldn't necessarily say that the ss/sc is a disappointment. To some people it may be, but others bought it for more reasons than one. I've always liked the srt-4, but when it came time to buy a new car, I wanted something familiar (came from a cavalier), and I wanted something fun. My ss has been everything I wanted and some. Contrary to what you may believe, some people have a handful of different reasons on why they purchased a car, not just it's performance aspects.

What Im saying is, don't try to get people to agree that this car was a disappointment, because it isn't to some people. For me, I got exactly what I wanted. I didn't buy my car to compete with srt-4s. I know thats what srt-4 guys like to think, but fact of the matter is, I could care less if someone has a faster car than me. Woop-dee-freaking-doo. Theres always someone faster. I got more important things to keep me awake at night.

also guys an ACR isnt a tuned dodge...its just an 05 srt4 acr...all acr is upgraded suspension,16"bbs rims,and the stock vipers are ready for a harness...same power as the 04 srt'4's just suspension is diffrent

str4's are nice, cobalt ss's are nice.

/thread

ACR SRT-4 handling>>>> SS/SC handling

you really should stop being ignorant.



http://mirror.gbar.dtu.dk/AmiNet/pix/vehic/Roadrunner.jpg
Ah the superbird, def weird looking :)

Ah the superbird, def weird looking :)

function over form.


this bikering war will never end. i like my car, you like your car. leave it at that.

function over form.


this bikering war will never end. i like my car, you like your car. leave it at that.

You hate your car and you love my car. Admit it!!!

You hate your car and you love my car. Admit it!!!

i have always dreamed of driving a bright blue tupperwear bowl with stickers and a blower
:D


::runs away::

^ :lol:
I love the SRT4 and the SS/SC, so there. :p:

blah blah blah... The Cobalt clearly was not made for drag racing.So 1/4 mile times don't mean much. The cobalt was made to be a well handling vehicle suited for time attack type driving. It is a very responsive car coming out of turns and has great acceleration from the turn speed to straight-away speed. As shown when it bested the legendary Nissan Skyline's times by seven seconds in Street Tuner Challenge's Time Attack (Of course it was modded but so were all the other cars including the 600HP skyline that was there). The SRT-4 was not made for this kind of driving in my opinion, it was made to be a concrete eating monster without much finesse...More muscle. I don't think it is fair to say which is better because they are both better at what they were designed to do. The Cobalt was designed on the Nurburgring while the SRT-4 was probably designed on a straight strip of asphalt. The times I have seen for drag strips have all been in favor of the SRT, while courses have been in favor of the Cobalt. Apples and Oranges...

The SRT4 is a muscle car just with wrong wheel drive.

i have always dreamed of driving a bright blue tupperwear bowl with stickers and a blower
:D


::runs away::

You can't out run the power of the STIKARZZZZ!!!!!

Seriously I lol'd :lol:

I want AWD

I want AWD
DO IT!

The SRT4 is a muscle car just with wrong wheel drive.

I agree...I think AWD would have been a much bigger deal with the SRT4 than with the Cobalt. The FWD of the Cobalt actually makes it quicker through the types of driving it was made for, which is accelerating quickly while already in roll.

As soon as the dealer i work at gets one, myself and Gamebay11 will race em against each other and will post the video here first.

caliber wins

stock srt 4 vs 2006 ss/sc with cold air, gmpp exhaust, gmpp honed manifold. We will let you know as soon as it happens, according to a reliable source, late november we should see one. Hopefully there is no snow on the ground

I have the utmost respect for the SRT4.....it is a great and powerful American made car. As far as records and victories go check out these links (too much information to convert and post).

http://www.gmperformancedivision.com/racing_results_SCCA_Club.aspx

http://www.gmperformancedivision.com/racing_results_Track_Records.aspx

http://www.gmperformancedivision.com/racing_results_Grand_Am_Cup.aspx

Not only is Mr. Heinricy in charge of the GMPD but is an outstanding road course pilot!!

ACR is the same as the Cobalt's G85 package.

Sooo hmmm stop being ignorant.

All V8 performance vehicles???



lol

GM really designed the Cobalt to be a roll racer??



When will you guys stop bringing up the Time Attack Cobalt???

Especially those that are clueless.

First off, it DID NOT beat a 600hp Skyline. It beat a bone stock skyline.
Secondly, it cheated to win that redline event.
Third, it was only car in the street tuner challenge with relocated suspension.

Has it done anything since??


first of all your a troll, your bashing the cobalt on a cobalt website /shutthefuckup

and to answer your question, no they didnt design to the cobalt to be a roll racer, or are you too fucking retarded to understand they designed the cobalt to be a road coarse car built for quick acceleration out of corners and a little get up on the straights, they didnt design the car to drag race.

on the other hand the srt-4 as i have heard wasnt designed on a road coarse. it was designed on pavement. can you say drag race?

please now will u stop bickering about nonsense, their both good cars get over yourself

:spam: :spam: :spam: :spam: :spam:

ACR is the same as the Cobalt's G85 package.

Sooo hmmm stop being ignorant.

All V8 performance vehicles???



lol

GM really designed the Cobalt to be a roll racer??



When will you guys stop bringing up the Time Attack Cobalt???

Especially those that are clueless.

First off, it DID NOT beat a 600hp Skyline. It beat a bone stock skyline.
Secondly, it cheated to win that redline event.
Third, it was only car in the street tuner challenge with relocated suspension.

Has it done anything since??

Were you there?
Also; Maybe you should watch the television special where they actually talked to the driver of the skyline and showed it...
Also; Was it designed to be a drag racer?
Also; We bring up the time attack cobalt because it is a great example of what a few mods can do to the car.It wasn't even at 300HP until they added the shot of nitrous.If you ask me that is pretty amazing...
Also; It cheated? you were there then huh?
Also; OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!! relocated suspension!!!!!!!!! OMG!!!!!!!!! it's like a rally car!!! OMG!!!

I was trying to make a point that neither car is better and are proficient in their own areas of design. You feel the need to feel superior by cutting up people's comments without any factual backing.If you were educated and knew how to properly argue a position with FACTUAL backing such as a cited source or event, we would give your comments some credence.


Now please re-read my first series of comments and compare them to my second paragraph. I think we could all agree that my second paragraph makes my point without sounding dis-respectful to other's thoughts, opinions, and ideas.

Thank you

PS: I think the SRT4 is an amazing machine