i might have gotten the SS....id like to hear some opinions as why/why not i should get an SS over the current SRT-4 i own...say what you like...discussion is open i wont get pissed about the "neon" comments. :twothumbs

13 views and no one can justify why?? great confidence in your vehicle guys :twothumbs

are you considering trading the neon for the SS? if so, i would say keep the neon, bc you already have it and have probably started mods already. unless you are very financially stable, keep it until its paid off.

that said, i'd probably take an SS/SC over the neon srt-4 if i were looking for a domestic tuner car. i've seen both run and the SS/SC impressed me a lot more. plus its, well.....you know.

I had the srt-4 i traded it in after a month and just got my ss/sc and i love it 10000x more then the srt-4 and plus even with a turbo in it.. it is still a neon.. not picking on you just overall but just like he said ^^ If it isnt a prob then go for it man :twothumbs

The Cobalt is fresh and new. It is the new kid on the block and you do not see to many. In my small town there is about 3 srt4's and only one cobalt ss sc (mine)Looks better too I always get props at the gas stations. The SRT-4 is a good car it just still looks like a neon. Performance wise the stock for stock non-acr srt-4 the cobalt wins. Gas mileage is better for the Cobalt. Handling is better on the Cobalt that is non acr srt-4. Seat comfort is better in the cobalt and for me that was a big plus. I drive around 190 miles almost every day. The eocotech might be a better engine but it is still too new to say that at least under boost. The engine as been proven under other cars.

So to sum it up:

New kid on block
Looks
gas mileage
comfort
handling

I was considering an SRT-4 w/ ACR when I bought my cobalt. I test drove one and can say that I enjoyed it. The reason I chose the Cobalt over the SRT4 was the build quality, insurance, and the two doors.

I was considering an SRT-4 w/ ACR when I bought my cobalt. I test drove one and can say that I enjoyed it. The reason I chose the Cobalt over the SRT4 was the build quality, insurance, and the two doors.
i just wish the cobalt could make power on par with the srt (modded)

stage 2 is 240 for the cobalt??

whats your goal for this car? id say most of us want a "fast" (for our cars, not lambo's), reliable DD that we can mod and work on. consider:

how does each car resond to mods?
reliability
insurance
personal preferences (style, brand, etc)

in the end do what makes you happy man

whats your goal for this car? id say most of us want a fast, reliable DD that we can mod and work on. consider:

how does each car resond to mods?
reliability
insurance
personal preferences (style, brand, etc)

in the end do what makes you happy man

The goal i have always wanted to get to in a sport compact 4 cylinder yet has always evaded me (though it might sound corney) is 300whp

The Cobalt is fresh and new. It is the new kid on the block and you do not see to many. In my small town there is about 3 srt4's and only one cobalt ss sc (mine)Looks better too I always get props at the gas stations. The SRT-4 is a good car it just still looks like a neon. Performance wise the stock for stock non-acr srt-4 the cobalt wins. Gas mileage is better for the Cobalt. Handling is better on the Cobalt that is non acr srt-4. Seat comfort is better in the cobalt and for me that was a big plus. I drive around 190 miles almost every day. The eocotech might be a better engine but it is still too new to say that at least under boost. The engine as been proven under other cars.

So to sum it up:

New kid on block
Looks
gas mileage
comfort
handling

No... stock for a stock, a non-ACR SRT-4 still out performs the Cobalt.

No... stock for a stock, a non-ACR SRT-4 still out performs the Cobalt.
in a strait line id agree...i dont know about the twisties though.

Stage 2 is 247 hp or so I read. In addition, The 205 hp stock is way underated. My other car is a 67 GTO, 400 bored .60 over. Wieght to ratio comparison, I can't complain.

Stage 2 is 247 hp or so I read. In addition, The 205 hp stock is way underated. My other car is a 67 GTO, 400 bored .60 over. Wieght to ratio comparison, I can't complain.
stage 2 no toys is 260hp/280tq.....stage 2 with toys is 280hp/300tq for the srt

most cobalts get around 215 to the wheel, Gm underrated the power. mine was getting 223 (so says the dyno at K&N) and now with an intake i get alittle over 230 so the SS does have power. the draw back is that we dont have to many mods yet.

You have an SRT-4 i would say keep it its a great car, looks and performance it has it nailed down.

I was going to get an SRT-4, i love the car, but i ended up getting the S/C (my dad persuaded me) if you would ask me to trade the car in now i wouldnt, (well maybe to a viper or lingenfelte or calaway vette.)

Ive driven both cars and the SS is a bit more fun to drive, it also has a better interior.
Looks wise they both have their ups and downs but both look great.

performance goes to the SRT-4 (with 2 competant drivers teh SRT-4 will always win or atleast 9 out of 10 times)

my .2 cents keep the SRT-4 its a great car. But hell if you have the $$$$$$$ get both and enjoy!!!

most cobalts get around 215 to the wheel, Gm underrated the power. mine was getting 223 (so says the dyno at K&N) and now with an intake i get alittle over 230 so the SS does have power. the draw back is that we dont have to many mods yet.

You have an SRT-4 i would say keep it its a great car, looks and performance it has it nailed down.

I was going to get an SRT-4, i love the car, but i ended up getting the S/C (my dad persuaded me) if you would ask me to trade the car in now i wouldnt, (well maybe to a viper or lingenfelte or calaway vette.)

Ive driven both cars and the SS is a bit more fun to drive, it also has a better interior.
Looks wise they both have their ups and downs but both look great.

performance goes to the SRT-4 (with 2 competant drivers teh SRT-4 will always win or atleast 9 out of 10 times)

my .2 cents keep the SRT-4 its a great car. But hell if you have the $$$$$$$ get both and enjoy!!!
Very insightfull.....one of the best answers ive heard...thank you

my friend has stage 2 with FMIC,PSI ECU, intake, Exhaust, PSI tranny mounts and a few other things from a 40 roll i jump a full car then he takes over and murders me. (6+ cars)

my other friend has stage 1 (orange one w/ black rims) and is pushin 27 PSI "spikes" were waiting for his car to blow up as we speak ;)


SRT-4's are nice but there interior (except seats there nice) lacking. and the shifter is a bus shifter lol BUT it is one fast car :cssNET:

Even though the Neon is faster and has more mods avaible to it---I could never buy one.

1. Cobalt is way more refined/ Neon felt very cheap

2. Cobalts interior is way better. Materials used, fit and finsh and design.

3. Whats with the low 6000rpm redline? The whole point of OHC and 3-4 valves per cly is that they can rev. 6500rpm is still low on the S/C but its not terrible.

I will admit I have not drivin a SRT-4. But the 2.0L Neon I drove sounded like a trator engine! Very unpleasent sounds and ROUGH! Ecotec is a smoother more advanced engine.

4. coupe body style owns 4 door anyday.

Yeah avro206/\

Build Quality was a big factor.... The SRT4 felt flimsy and unstable as far as fit and finish goes.

On the cobalt, everything is locked tight.

I like both to be honest, I personally liked the looks of the SS better though.

However, the out of the box stright-line performance of the srt4 is enviable.

You should get the SS b/c your cluch will last 5,000 miles.

You should get the SS b/c your cluch will last 5,000 miles.
I have 12K + miles on my clutch with no problems.

I was in a similar boat trying to figure out srt-4 or ss/sc ... I knew that the srt-4 was faster and had more mods already available and that was always something I looked forward to but when I sat in the ss for the first time it was incredible ... albeit my first test drive was on an ss that was not working correctly as it had boost problems my second test sold me ...

the cars look for me is much more refined and with good lighting in the right conditions it is very exotic looking ... the srt-4 was aggressive and in your face which as a dd I could not justify looking like a punk everywhere I went ...

the drive in the ss is very solid and you get a sense that the car is actually taking care of you with how little road noise you actually can hear ... the interior is comfy and the gf likes the leather seats while friends are surprised that they can actually fit in the back ... the car has balls on demand as I am sure it took everyone some time to get used to driving it and the breaking is great with enough softness to not jerk you around when the car stops ... the handling in the car is smooth and precise and it will stick to its line with confidence while changing direction suddenly will not make you feel like your gonna fly away ...

as a tuner car it is actually very reserved in the amount of noise that comes from the exhaust as you can barely hear it when cruisin but really hear it if you get on the gas which is perfect for a dd ... the engine is also very calm but when you slam the pedal to the metal get ready to hear it whine ... the srt-4 setup gargles like I do in the morning even when it's sitting still which has its own charm when showing off or driving with a group but when driving casual it would get over bearing ...

overall the cars have their own idea of what a sporty compact tuner should be and I think the ss/sc will draw a more diverse crowd and as I have experienced and seen with our meet and the website it appears that for the most part the ss draws upon any age group tech specs aside everyone is interested in our car ... my $.02

http://cobaltss.net/gallery/files/3/3/7/0/om05sssc.jpg

I love the SRT-4. To me it's fast, it sounds great and it looks awsome - from the front. Unfortunately, the sides and rear look like a neon/SX 2.0.

The SRT-4 does not get the respect it should. I've talked with many car nuts, several of whom are huge mopar fans but they didn't even know how great this car was. To them, as to most of the general public, it's just a neon. I found myself trying to promote and defend the SRT-4, trying to tell people these cars should be respected/feared. I couldn't imagine myself showing up to places in a car having to explain that "it's not a neon, it's fast".

Now with my SS/SC, I get people constantly asking questions and giving compliments. Like someone else posted, almost everytime I'm at a gas station, someone asks about the SS/SC. I've had people hold up traffic in one lane so they could pull up beside me to yell "Nice car". First day I brought it to work, I had many people compliment it and say "Damn that car looks fast". That's the best part of the SS/SC - not only is it fast, but it looks fast too. I'll admit, I love racing from a light. With the SS/SC, it seems that everyone can tell it's a fast car and wants a shot - I LOVE IT. I feel that SRT-4s just like our cousins the Redlines are more like sleepers to the average Mustang, Camero, etc drivers. Once they prove themselves it's like "Damn that's one fast Neon/Saturn"

Sorry this post is so long, but I have just one more point.

The difference in quality and workmanship is huge. I was at a car meet and my car was side by side with an SRT-4, both had the hoods open. Under the hood of the SRT-4 was a mess of cheap plastic parts and tubes all crammed in there. The SS/SC's engine compartment was quite spacious and dare I say elegant? The Ecotec is a German engineered engine and it shows. I have been under many hoods in my day and I have never seen such a simple and clean design. I think GM has a real winner in the Ecotec and I'm thrilled that I have one in my car.

In conclusion, the SRT-4 stock for stock is faster than the SS/SC. With Stage II, I believe the SS/SC will be faster than a Stage I SRT-4. I have yet to see an SRT-4 with more than Stage I around my parts. There's plans to build the Ecotec up to over 1000hp, so it's just a matter of how far you want to take it. I would rather take a well built, stylish, rarish (not a word) car to higher levels of performance, than a car that I have to always explain "It's not a neon".

I'll put it this way. This is what went through my mind when deciding to get my car.

Exterior - SS good looking 2 door - srt4 4 door looks like a neon, i know things were changed for it but still.
Interior - SS Looks great with decent quality - srt4 don't like the interior seats are uncomfortable for a daily driver. power windows in the front not in the back no cruise control WTF.
Performance - SS has good performance in all areas - srt4 has good performance in all areas and straightline beast.
Potential - SS has potential (undetermined yet) - srt4 insane amount of hp can be put in that car.
Price - pretty similar
New - SS new hot car - srt4 discontinued
Public - regardless of the bad rep the cobalt has been getting, everyday I turn heads and get complimented on my car - srt4 everyone thinks your just another neon

OniMirage well said, Having just ordered a SS/SC,G85 I felt the same way I test drove The srt-4 first as It was hard to find an ss In SC to test drive there very rare around here. Any way As a personal opinion when I first saw the srt-4 on the lot it had no real identity, is seemed like a neon kind of a nonsports feel to is styling. But the car really made up for is visable flaws with performance. The cars torque is what is really impressive make it very fun to drive in a straight line And yes it did seem quite a bit faster than the SS/SC. Well after the srt-4 test drive I was realy hoping for a lot from the cobalt. It didn't disapiont my expectations As soon as I saw the car sitting on the lot it had and exotic appeal kind of hard to explain but style alone was enough to sell me. The interior was sleak and sporty very clean look. The test drive was also impressive the car felt like a 40K car Quite Refind ride, tight cornering smooth shifter gait, very well balanced design form and function. But that was just my opinion man. The srt-4 is an impressvie performer, more mussel than the cobalt but not as polished. Good luck with your choice.

OniMirage well said, ...
:twothumbs

here is the best reason to sell the neon , er................ srt


the rear doors have MANUAL CRANK WINDOWS

the cobalt ss sedans have POWER rear windows


enough said


LOL

both cars have the good and the bad

best i can tell you is go drive the ss/sc , and see how you like it

its the only way your going to be able to decied

Ummm no way in hell you could compare a cobalt SS Sedan to an SRT4 / Cobalt SSSC. At least not in stock Trim...

-Rich

You should get the SS b/c your cluch will last 5,000 miles.

I saw your other post and something gave me the impression that you are here to troll. I figured I'd give you a chance though, since you made some positive comments about the SS in the other thread.

Sarcastic comments like the one above though are not appreciated. Thats nothing more than an unsubstantiated dig at the SS S/C, keep it up and you probably won't be here too long :rolleyes:

Eh - just go drive one . The cars are different enuff you'll know if ya wanna bail on the on the SRT4 probably within the first 5 minutes . I bought my SS because it exceeded every possible aspect of what I wanted in my daily driver . Its qwik , has a good shifting manual trans and it feels solid and refined . When Im just driving the car normal , like to work or on a trip and not out playing I appreciate the cars go-kart handling without a stiff ride and I like how its so quiet inside . The car also lends itself really well to personalazation , both in and out . I dont think the Cobalt does any one thing best in class , but entire package of the car was IMO more pleasing that anything I drove . I drove a RSX-type S , non acr SRT4 , mazda3 hatch .

My impression of the Neon was the same as I view my F-bodies . LOTS of power , lots of eye candy , an absolute blast to go out on the street playin , and enjoy at the dragstrip . A enthusiest's car by all definitions . But living with crudeness all the time would get tiresome . So , I would have gotten a SRT4 had I been buying another weekend toy , the SS screamed , mmmmm...just right :)

You should get the SS b/c your cluch will last 5,000 miles.

You are really making yourself sound stupid in each post I read of yours. This is not the norm but you can keep telling yourself it is!

you know...ive decided to keep my neon...i had another thread going about "local rice pics",that i have since deleated. I forget who the A*S Hole was who said it but they strait out called my car a dumb POS...Now granted there entitled to their opinion, But they didnt even support the site! (premium member) like i do, and i dont even own a cobalt! Ahhhh it aggrivates me to no end, i come here not flamming, or trolling supporting the cobalt community...screw all this rivalry crap whats wrong with people on this board?? damn its people like me and supporting vendors who make this damn site possible (by supporting it)...ive decided to keep the Neon, im selling off my mods, except the FMIC and Going a different route for power! People that act like that guy did on the other thread are so ignorant....and make this site a drag and give the other cobalt members a bad rap for sure! no wonder rivalry between the 2 exists!

do members of this board honestly think im here to troll???

Nah your a cool dude trying to help out. I just stay out of the post that involve the kids. It happens on every forum. People say what they want on the net and if you saw them in person they wet their pants. TRUE STORY. Dont take it to heart, hell just forget about it. Just keep being a good member and stuff is good.

PS a nice car is a nice car.

Nah your a cool dude trying to help out. I just stay out of the post that involve the kids. It happens on every forum. People say what they want on the net and if you saw them in person they wet their pants. TRUE STORY. Dont take it to heart, hell just forget about it. Just keep being a good member and stuff is good.

PS a nice car is a nice car.
:twothumbs

do members of this board honestly think im here to troll???

Relax man , from what I can read you werent who they were talking about . The guy referenced to trolling was ALEX47 . Your all good :twothumbs :lol:

:thumbsdow sorry some people are just childish, most of the people on this site are very respectfull, you'll find trolls on most any site, it doesnt represent the majority of this site i can tell you that much. either car is a good car, f the haters! :cool:

do members of this board honestly think im here to troll???

You are no troll!!

do members of this board honestly think im here to troll???
no your not a troll and your original post screamed quite the opposite ... so don't worry bout it dude :beer: :twothumbs

I bought my Cobalt SS because it was a coupe. If the SRT-4 came in two door I probably would have got one of those instead of waiting 6 months for my Cobalt. I think the nose looks better on the Dodge,and the raw torque is awesome. Before I get flamed for being a turn coat....I have had a some kind of Chevy in my drive-way for over twenty years and the business I own has a chevy fleet #. I just could not bring myself to buy another four-door. When you have kids and are forced to have a four-door ,a two door just seems more fun. Now that I have it I would not trade it, well unless a Z06 appeared in my garage.

I have a 06 silver cobalt ss w/black on black interior and absolutely love it. Ive never driven an srt-4 so I dont know how much better the performance really is, except by the numbers, which really dont differ greatly. Dodge has got the cobalt in terms of performance upgrades, but the cobalt is also a brand new car. Im sure the market will start pumping out upgrades for it soon enough, and it will surpass the neon. Not only that, but the handling and style is much better for the cobalt ss stock :). I also dont know what type of gas mileage you get for the srt4, but if I take it easy on the cobalt I can get about 33mpg city ( thats right, driving like a grandma aka changing gears @ 1.75-2k rpm can get me about 31-35mpg city ). So for comparison purposes:

stock_________Neon SRT4:___________Cobalt SS/SC:

mpg__________N/A__________________31-35mpg city

performance___little better____________outstanding

handling_______good_________________better

looks_________decent________________immaculent

upgrades______tons_________________stg1&2 early 06 + many more to come!

Id also recommend reading the article about a 344hp cobalt ss/sc beating
an 801hp Nissan Skyline and nitrous VW Jetta! AND AS ALWAYS, DONT BREAK YOUR BANK ACCOUNT!

Our stage kits will yeild less power than the SRT stages, but ours are factory warranteed! I find this something to consider.

Our stage kits will yeild less power than the SRT stages, but ours are factory warranteed! I find this something to consider.

I was dissappointed with the stage #'s but as always the number are underrated. I don't think our stages numbers will surpass SRT ones but will have to wait and see.

There shouldn't be a rivalry between the SRT-4 and the SS/SC. Join forces and battle it out with the import sport compacts. There wasn't much that I loved more than hanging out with a bunch of mitsu drivers. They loved my Honda, and I loved their Mitsus. End of story.

Our stage kits will yeild less power than the SRT stages, but ours are factory warranteed! I find this something to consider.

Im not just talking about the stage kits though, Im talking about all upgrades that will be available by GM and aftermarket producers. Im sure that with all the upgrades that will be available the SS will in my opinion surpass the SRT4 in performance. :guns:

Im not just talking about the stage kits though, Im talking about all upgrades that will be available by GM and aftermarket producers. Im sure that with all the upgrades that will be available the SS will in my opinion surpass the SRT4 in performance. :guns:

You obviously don't know the SRT4's aftermarket.

i made the compairison with the ss 2.4 sedan only because of the rear windows being power


which i thought seamed kinda obvious , because of the neons and srt have manual crank rear windows , which i still dont under stand , but that is dodge for you


my honest opinion is you gotta drive 1 to see if you like it or not , and im not talking a 2 minute drive


i think a 2dr model would have helped out alot on the srt's , but having a option woulda been better , same with the cobalts a ss/sc sedan would sell me on it quickly


i like the srt's , but i dont think 1 fits what i want for a daily use car , the cobalts offering is more rounded to fit both daily and track use


being that im in the 30+ bracket , and being a muscle car freak that i am , i can appriciate all fast cars



as far as the troll thing , i think your far from it , the alex47 guy was maybe a little closer to that point

but this is the internet , and it is hard to read people most of the time

You obviously don't know the SRT4's aftermarket.

As I said before, read the article about the 344hp SS/SC beating an 801hp Nissan Skyline, and a Nitrious VW Jetta. Your underestimating the Cobalt SS/SC's potential. :nono:

Heres the page in case yer lost: http://www.cobaltss.net/forums//showthread.php?t=7431
Heres another page u might like:http://superstreetonline.com/eventcoverage/130_0511_timeattack/ :cssNET:

As I said before, read the article about the 344hp SS/SC beating an 801hp Nissan Skyline, and a Nitrious VW Jetta. Your underestimating the Cobalt SS/SC's potential. :nono:

Heres the page in case yer lost: http://www.cobaltss.net/forums//showthread.php?t=7431
Heres another page u might like:http://superstreetonline.com/eventcoverage/130_0511_timeattack/ :cssNET:

I've seen and read that article a couple of months ago. http://forums.beyond.ca/showthread.php?s=&threadid=104610&highlight=cobalt
That car was gutted to its bare bones.
Nothing in my comment "You obviously don't know the SRT4's aftermarket." says I'm underestimating the potential of the Cobalt at all. But it seems like you are underestimating the aftermarket of the SRT4 by your statement "Im sure that with all the upgrades that will be available the SS will in my opinion surpass the SRT4 in performance".
Don't get me wrong, 344hp is no slouch but that number is easily achieved and surpassed in the SRT4 with it's current aftermarket support.
Seems like your the one who's lost in your fanboi mentality.

Please, for the sake of sanity, DROP THE SRT vs SS/SC BATTLE! This is old, very old. And off topic as far as I'm concerned. Maybe in 4 years when the cobalt has a large supporting aftermarket we can debate which one has the better after market. This is like comparing a tried and true technique to a new idea. No one knows how the cobalt will fair in the mod world.

Please, for the sake of sanity, DROP THE SRT vs SS/SC BATTLE! This is old, very old. And off topic as far as I'm concerned. Maybe in 4 years when the cobalt has a large supporting aftermarket we can debate which one has the better after market. This is like comparing a tried and true technique to a new idea. No one knows how the cobalt will fair in the mod world.

Believe me, I don't like arguing about carA vs carB. Just had to point out that he was making a big, and might I say ignorant, assumption by his statement.

I bought a 2006 SS/SC in arrival blue w/ blue inserts and i love it...this car is by far the best vehicle ive own next to my WS6. SRTurbo, I like the srt-4, It comes with more HP than our cars do but a few of the things that kept me from buying it was the fact that its a 4 door, i didnt like the ride or the chassis, I LOVE the look of the SS stock....HOT.. most importantly though, i can get a GM employee discount (which knocked off a ton of $ off the sticker). Im excited to see what kind of aftermarket products this new car will be able to have...and i already plan on emptying my wallet as the market increases :)....SRTurbo...are u seriously looking into trading ur car in to get a cobalt?

You should get the SS b/c your cluch will last 5,000 miles.


Why wouldnt his clutch last 5k? :wtf:

Believe me, I don't like arguing about carA vs carB. Just had to point out that he was making a big, and might I say ignorant, assumption by his statement.
I didn't direct that at you or any member.....Just in general. All SRT threads on this forum turn to my dad can beat your dad arguments.

Even though the Neon is faster and has more mods avaible to it---I could never buy one.

1. Cobalt is way more refined/ Neon felt very cheap

2. Cobalts interior is way better. Materials used, fit and finsh and design.

3. Whats with the low 6000rpm redline? The whole point of OHC and 3-4 valves per cly is that they can rev. 6500rpm is still low on the S/C but its not terrible.

I will admit I have not drivin a SRT-4. But the 2.0L Neon I drove sounded like a trator engine! Very unpleasent sounds and ROUGH! Ecotec is a smoother more advanced engine.

4. coupe body style owns 4 door anyday.

You've never driven an SRT-4 and you are an expert? :nono:

Well I've driven both so I'll tell you what I think.

1) The Cobalt feels more refined, I agree. My SRT-4 is just over 2 years ago and is free of squeeks and rattles. Everything is still in good order and works great.

2) The interior in the Cobalt is nicer, it better be, it's a brand new platform. I hate the seats, they look good but I was sliding around in them.

3) Regarding the 6000 PRM redline, get your mom to buy you a book on engine design. Read up on long stroke motors and piston speed. This will answer your questions. Our engine does exactly what it was designed to do.

4) I like having 4 doors.

I like the Cobalt, but the only way I'd buy one is as a commuter, throw Stage 2 on it and leave it. I have the SRT-4 because it does everything I want it to do and has more potential without spending a lot of cash.

Potential is realitive to wallet size.

However, if I had the money to buy a second car, I'd get an SRT4.

Especially since they are being discontinued. It would make a cool collector's item.

I've seen and read that article a couple of months ago. http://forums.beyond.ca/showthread.php?s=&threadid=104610&highlight=cobalt
That car was gutted to its bare bones.
Nothing in my comment "You obviously don't know the SRT4's aftermarket." says I'm underestimating the potential of the Cobalt at all. But it seems like you are underestimating the aftermarket of the SRT4 by your statement "Im sure that with all the upgrades that will be available the SS will in my opinion surpass the SRT4 in performance".
Don't get me wrong, 344hp is no slouch but that number is easily achieved and surpassed in the SRT4 with it's current aftermarket support.
Seems like your the one who's lost in your fanboi mentality.

As I said, the car is brand new and there are LITTLE mods available for it, so obviously the SRT4's aftermarket is better. Lemme ask u this though, HOW MANY SRT4'S DO U KNOW WITH A MERE 344HP THAT CAN TAKE ON AN 801HP NISSAN SKYLINE? ( NOT TO MENTION THE SS/SC HAS BEEN OUT FOR LESS THAN A YEAR, AND THE SS/SC IN THE RACE WASNT MODDED THAT SUBSTANTIALLY ). If u can answer me this question, Ill give the SRT4 more credit, until then, Im going to keep my opinion about the Cobalt SS/SC. :cssNET:

As I said, the car is brand new and there are LITTLE mods available for it, so obviously the SRT4's aftermarket is better. Lemme ask u this though, HOW MANY SRT4'S DO U KNOW WITH A MERE 344HP THAT CAN TAKE ON AN 801HP NISSAN SKYLINE? ( NOT TO MENTION THE SS/SC HAS BEEN OUT FOR LESS THAN A YEAR, AND THE SS/SC IN THE RACE WASNT MODDED THAT SUBSTANTIALLY ). If u can answer me this question, Ill give the SRT4 more credit, until then, Im going to keep my opinion about the Cobalt SS/SC. :cssNET:
That not exactly a fair question IMO.

No one can predict how the srt4 would rank if it had the same opportunity the Cobalt was given

Especially considering the current aftermarket support for the SRT4.

how the hell did this thread end up like this????

how the hell did this thread end up like this????
They all do ;)

As I said, the car is brand new and there are LITTLE mods available for it, so obviously the SRT4's aftermarket is better. Lemme ask u this though, HOW MANY SRT4'S DO U KNOW WITH A MERE 344HP THAT CAN TAKE ON AN 801HP NISSAN SKYLINE? ( NOT TO MENTION THE SS/SC HAS BEEN OUT FOR LESS THAN A YEAR, AND THE SS/SC IN THE RACE WASNT MODDED THAT SUBSTANTIALLY ). If u can answer me this question, Ill give the SRT4 more credit, until then, Im going to keep my opinion about the Cobalt SS/SC. :cssNET:


Whoa! The SS/SC in the race wasn't modded that substantially? I watched the entire season of Street Tuner Challenge where this car was built. They tore that thing down to the frame and then some. It's not a modded street car - quite simply it's a race car.

Now obviously I'm a huge SS/SC fan. I think we are going to do incredible things once Stage II and other mods are out. But lets be realistic here.

HOW MANY SRT4'S DO U KNOW WITH A MERE 344HP THAT CAN TAKE ON AN 801HP NISSAN SKYLINE?

How many built and fully stripped SRT4's (with Dodge's full backing) ever had the the opportunity to go up against those vehicles? Can you answer me this question?
It's funny how you're basing your whole argument on that race. Did you know that:
a. The SS was driven by a professional driver vs the average schmoe driving the Skyline? I don't care if you have 1000hp, if you can't drive your car (in a track) you aint getting no where. I would like to see two average shmoes drive the SS and Skyline and see who comes out on top.
b. ENTIRE GM performance division backed the project. When you have a factory team versus two smaller tuning shops who do you think has the advantage. Hate to tell you this but hp isn't everything when it comes to the track.
c. Skyline had mechanical failures (bad wheel bearing), not allowing them a full day of racing.

Whoa! The SS/SC in the race wasn't modded that substantially? I watched the entire season of Street Tuner Challenge where this car was built. They tore that thing down to the frame and then some. It's not a modded street car - quite simply it's a race car.

Now obviously I'm a huge SS/SC fan. I think we are going to do incredible things once Stage II and other mods are out. But lets be realistic here.

Thank you ballerSS. It's refreshing to meet someone who's in touch with reality.

Okay so the driving matters, but man how could anyone put a poor driver behind the wheel of a machine that lays down 800 horses? My guess is that they didn't. A vehicle with much less power taking the checkered flag is impressive any way you look at it. Thumbs up to the SS/SC :twothumbs . Now only if the dealerships around here would give me my price! :cssNET:

The guy driving the Skyline was very familiar with the track, but had never driven a Right sided Vehicle. The Cobalt team was much better prepared.

Okay so the driving matters, but man how could anyone put a poor driver behind the wheel of a machine that lays down 800 horses? My guess is that they didn't. A vehicle with much less power taking the checkered flag is impressive any way you look at it. Thumbs up to the SS/SC :twothumbs . Now only if the dealerships around here would give me my price! :cssNET:

Power aint everything at the track. This wasn't a drag race. I'd rather take a 400hp very balanced race car over a 1000hp beast at the track. Not trying to discredit the SS but I wouldn't make generalizations based on the outcome of ONE encounter.

Power aint everything at the track. This wasn't a drag race. I'd rather take a 400hp very balanced race car over a 1000hp beast at the track. Not trying to discredit the SS but I wouldn't make generalizations based on the outcome of ONE encounter.

Either way, u can take ALL THOSE MODS the srt4 has, and they problly wont touch what that Cobalt did with half the mods. Thats the point Ive been trying to make, it wasnt modded that substantially under the hood and it STILL WON ( whooptie doo a mere 344hp, AN SVT COBRA HAS 390 HP BASE. YOURE TELLING ME A COBRA WOULD BE EQUAL TO OR FASTER THAN THIS COBALT? BESIDES THAT A BASE SKYLINE IS FAST AS HELL TO BEGIN WITH, AND ITS HP IS UNDER 300. THAT WAS ALMOST A 3X INCREASE IN POWER!!! I DONT CARE HOW BAD IT WAS IN TWISTIES, IN THE STRAIGHT AWAY IT SHOULD OF HAD A MASSIVELY SUBSTANTIAL EDGE, NO QUESTIONS ASKED). As for the weight reduction, I dont see how those are considered substantial "mods". Im sure the nissan was reduced in weight aswell and was probably close to the same weight as the ss/sc. Theyre a race cars, theyre both gonna be light weight. :twothumbs

Either way, u can take ALL THOSE MODS the srt4 has, and they problly wont touch what that Cobalt did with half the mods. Thats the point Ive been trying to make, it wasnt modded that substantially under the hood and it STILL WON ( whooptie doo a mere 344hp, AN SVT COBRA HAS 390 HP BASE. YOURE TELLING ME A COBRA WOULD BE EQUAL TO OR FASTER THAN THIS COBALT? BESIDES THAT A BASE SKYLINE IS FAST AS HELL TO BEGIN WITH, AND ITS HP IS UNDER 300. THAT WAS ALMOST A 3X INCREASE IN POWER!!! I DONT CARE HOW BAD IT WAS IN TWISTIES, IN THE STRAIGHT AWAY IT SHOULD OF HAD A MASSIVELY SUBSTANTIAL EDGE, NO QUESTIONS ASKED). As for the weight reduction, I dont see how those are considered substantial "mods". Im sure the nissan was reduced in weight aswell and was probably close to the same weight as the ss/sc. Theyre a race cars, theyre both gonna be light weight. :twothumbs

That Cobalt was perfectly executed race car with possibly one the most brilliant road racers in the land , and the Skyline had problems and a driver who had never driven a righthand drive car . Its not apples to apples like you would suggest . Yea yea yea , a race is a race and the Cobalt SS won , but you have to look at the realities of the conditions before you boast to greatly :twothumbs Go over to streetfire and see some real video's , with some REAL u and me drivers and see what kinda cars the modded SRT4's are beating . The SRT4 doesnt have not even one thing to prove to anyone .

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