k&n taked to dearler about warntiee
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k&n taked to dearler about warntiee
i just orderd my k&n cold air intake form modern performance monday and went to the dealership this morning and talked to them they said the intake wont void my warntiee and that they dont really care what i do to the car as long as i dont mes with the electronicts and sensors or mess with the cats. so intake exuast headers wont voild my warntiee so i was very happy about this just though i would let otehr people know .
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It all depends on the dealer. My dealer has a performance shop on the back and told me pretty much the same thing, Intake exaust or what not will not void my warranty. The even offered to install it for me. I keep buying ****, so I will be buying my intake sometime or another, need tires first.
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Originally Posted by Xenozx
It all depends on the dealer. My dealer has a performance shop on the back and told me pretty much the same thing, Intake exaust or what not will not void my warranty. The even offered to install it for me. I keep buying ****, so I will be buying my intake sometime or another, need tires first.
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From: Cleveland, OH
Originally Posted by 2006ArrivalBlueSS
Save your cash - the intake isn't doing **** for me except throwing codes and letting people know there's a M62 Eaton under the hood. I would throw the cash towards a header since you already have the exhaust.
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damn...must be nice....my dealers a D**K they tried voinding my waranty for a SRI i was like no way, too it off and instaled the stock air box....wich is ok because the stock airbox supports 350hp ayway 
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Originally Posted by JAESS
Your light will be on until someone has a tune for it. My light goes off and then comes back on. It doesn't seem to effect the cars performance at all.
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Originally Posted by 2006ArrivalBlueSS
Save your cash - the intake isn't doing **** for me except throwing codes and letting people know there's a M62 Eaton under the hood. I would throw the cash towards a header since you already have the exhaust.
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This whole check engine light has me a little spooked...everyone seems to be installing the CAI's correctly but still throwing codes...how much HP does our air box hold up to? Maybe i should hold off and buy a header to start with...
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it took two months before my intake finally threw a code. It was because the day it threw the code it was like 10 degrees in Michigan and the MAF sensor was having a field day with all the dense air going through the intake.
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My K&N intake started trowing codes faster when it's colder outside . My dealer has my car now for the CEL P0171 , they told me gm had a bad run of Mass airflow sensors , they are installing a new one , they also told me that GM has a Bulletin coming out , that says even stock air filters will set the code if not seated properly ( BULL **** ) or to rotate the element 160 degree's and that fixed em ( Again i call B.S ) what we all need to do is call GM 1-866-952-4368 and start a case with them ( I Did already ) this will force them to fix the problem .. So please Call ..
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For those of u throwing a lean code that are worried about it .....dont be . The PCM is tuned purposely quite rich from the factory , so running a little lean is helping you more than hurting you . All the CAI's are doing are causing the PCM's to occasionally go outside the acceptable parameters in the fuel trims . Its not a constantly running lean . You may only breifly go outside the correction factor for a second , but do it over a few times in a given time frame and the PCM will recognize the history and flag the code for a lean condition . The reason the light stays on , is because it 1 ) has to cleared from the pcm via a datalogger with that capability , disconnecting the battery and pull the pcm battery fuse ( if you simply dissconnect the battery , the PCM still has power ) ~or have 20 or in some cars more start cycles without the condition being present the code will clear itself from visibility ( i.e. the CEL goes off ) but will remain in the code history viewable only on a scan tool . For those that dont know , I'll give a breif explaination of fuel correction so u can understand why the CEL sets . Fuel correction is based of long and short term fuel trims . Short terms called integrators are real time correction , long terms called BLM's are an average of the short terms . A BLM ~or integraters are numeric values . 128 is the value thats there when no fuel correction is being made . Any value higher , the pcm is adding fuel for a lean condition to meet the pcms programmed paramaters , any value less and the PCM is taking away fuel away to correct a rich cond. . 160 are your max correction values . I dont know how strict the boundries for setting a rich or lean code in the SS pcm so I cant tell ya how high the value has to go before a lean condition is recognized . At WOT throttle the pcm looks at O2 values , 880mV being optimal , lower on the lean side and higher on the rich side . Again Im not familiar of the cobalts boundries thier either . That is the basic scope of why a code is being set . Your just traveling occsionally outside your PCM's already too rich parameters . The annoyance of the light is the worst thing thats goin on Again for those that dont know , its more prone to do it in the cold because the air is ALOT more dense and oxegen rich at 20* than 60* , pcm see more air and has to correct to meet the fuel demand .
JAESS- Nice to see more F-body guys on here . The Cobalt SS seems to be the #1 daily driver of the F-crowd right now
Again for those that dont know , its more prone to do it in the cold because the air is ALOT more dense and oxegen rich at 20* than 60* , pcm see more air and has to correct to meet the fuel demand . JAESS- Nice to see more F-body guys on here . The Cobalt SS seems to be the #1 daily driver of the F-crowd right now
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Originally Posted by SilverSS/SC
How are they gonna do anything for you about the MAF ? Your stock maf was removed as an integral part of your airbox when you put the K&N CAI on . The only way to replace the maf is to replace the airbox . If they havent called you yet , they probably will be .
For those of u throwing a lean code that are worried about it .....dont be . The PCM is tuned purposely quite rich from the factory , so running a little lean is helping you more than hurting you . All the CAI's are doing are causing the PCM's to occasionally go outside the acceptable parameters in the fuel trims . Its not a constantly running lean . You may only breifly go outside the correction factor for a second , but do it over a few times in a given time frame and the PCM will recognize the history and flag the code for a lean condition . The reason the light stays on , is because it 1 ) has to cleared from the pcm via a datalogger with that capability , disconnecting the battery and pull the pcm battery fuse ( if you simply dissconnect the battery , the PCM still has power ) ~or have 20 or in some cars more start cycles without the condition being present the code will clear itself from visibility ( i.e. the CEL goes off ) but will remain in the code history viewable only on a scan tool . For those that dont know , I'll give a breif explaination of fuel correction so u can understand why the CEL sets . Fuel correction is based of long and short term fuel trims . Short terms called integrators are real time correction , long terms called BLM's are an average of the short terms . A BLM ~or integraters are numeric values . 128 is the value thats there when no fuel correction is being made . Any value higher , the pcm is adding fuel for a lean condition to meet the pcms programmed paramaters , any value less and the PCM is taking away fuel away to correct a rich cond. . 160 are your max correction values . I dont know how strict the boundries for setting a rich or lean code in the SS pcm so I cant tell ya how high the value has to go before a lean condition is recognized . At WOT throttle the pcm looks at O2 values , 880mV being optimal , lower on the lean side and higher on the rich side . Again Im not familiar of the cobalts boundries thier either . That is the basic scope of why a code is being set . Your just traveling occsionally outside your PCM's already too rich parameters . The annoyance of the light is the worst thing thats goin on Again for those that dont know , its more prone to do it in the cold because the air is ALOT more dense and oxegen rich at 20* than 60* , pcm see more air and has to correct to meet the fuel demand .
JAESS- Nice to see more F-body guys on here . The Cobalt SS seems to be the #1 daily driver of the F-crowd right now
For those of u throwing a lean code that are worried about it .....dont be . The PCM is tuned purposely quite rich from the factory , so running a little lean is helping you more than hurting you . All the CAI's are doing are causing the PCM's to occasionally go outside the acceptable parameters in the fuel trims . Its not a constantly running lean . You may only breifly go outside the correction factor for a second , but do it over a few times in a given time frame and the PCM will recognize the history and flag the code for a lean condition . The reason the light stays on , is because it 1 ) has to cleared from the pcm via a datalogger with that capability , disconnecting the battery and pull the pcm battery fuse ( if you simply dissconnect the battery , the PCM still has power ) ~or have 20 or in some cars more start cycles without the condition being present the code will clear itself from visibility ( i.e. the CEL goes off ) but will remain in the code history viewable only on a scan tool . For those that dont know , I'll give a breif explaination of fuel correction so u can understand why the CEL sets . Fuel correction is based of long and short term fuel trims . Short terms called integrators are real time correction , long terms called BLM's are an average of the short terms . A BLM ~or integraters are numeric values . 128 is the value thats there when no fuel correction is being made . Any value higher , the pcm is adding fuel for a lean condition to meet the pcms programmed paramaters , any value less and the PCM is taking away fuel away to correct a rich cond. . 160 are your max correction values . I dont know how strict the boundries for setting a rich or lean code in the SS pcm so I cant tell ya how high the value has to go before a lean condition is recognized . At WOT throttle the pcm looks at O2 values , 880mV being optimal , lower on the lean side and higher on the rich side . Again Im not familiar of the cobalts boundries thier either . That is the basic scope of why a code is being set . Your just traveling occsionally outside your PCM's already too rich parameters . The annoyance of the light is the worst thing thats goin on
Again for those that dont know , its more prone to do it in the cold because the air is ALOT more dense and oxegen rich at 20* than 60* , pcm see more air and has to correct to meet the fuel demand . JAESS- Nice to see more F-body guys on here . The Cobalt SS seems to be the #1 daily driver of the F-crowd right now
Sorry to tell you this but the MAF Sensor is held on with 2 tiny screws , you must use the old MAF with the K&N CAI .. Sorry to bust a bubble ..
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Originally Posted by BowTieCobaltSSSC
Sorry to tell you this but the MAF Sensor is held on with 2 tiny screws , you must use the old MAF with the K&N CAI .. Sorry to bust a bubble ..
I assumed it was integral , I dont have typhoon yet ....Im just to lazy to edit my sig from back when my order got cancelled because K&N pushed the released date back .
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Originally Posted by Asstyme
Are you guys running the filters getting better or worse feul milage, and by how much ?
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I have not seen any noticable change , the car gets great milage averages 25 -26 in town and 29 -31 all hwy driving with the K&N CAI ..
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