I saw a Subaru WRX guy go from 266awhp to 304awhp! And their drivetrain loss is high!

So although they are completely different motors, there is some serious gain that may be achievable on a race gas tune. The guy put in 16oz of TORCO for every 5 gallons of 93. CRAZY.

 

Damn thats a big waste of money

 

I guess if you don't go to the track often, it would be. 40whp for 300bucks isn't bad (est cost of tune + torco)

 

me and a friend picked up a 50 gallon drum of torco for about 350 from our supplier

 

why do you think people go with meth injection?
its basically ultra cheap racegas, as well as killer cooling.

 

i went with both. but hes right as far as price goes. meth is alot cheaper

 

i think meth and racegas is a bit of overkill really.

you only want enough octane to get to your peak timing/power without any knock.

its easily possible to have MORE octane than you need.

 

you don't need race gas and meth. one or the other. doing both is overkill and most likely going to cause a loss of power

 

well for me the race gas was just for fun. the meth came later, since it is alot cheaper. that and the race gas real purpose was for the 75 stingray we are building.

 

agree'd

 

but if you reach that point, you can stop advancing ignition and increase boost, or raise static compression. you can never have too much octane...however if your running like 200octane then youll probably need like 22:1 compression pistons with 30PSI...lol

 

wrong higher octane gas is harder to burn. If your running higher octane and not taking advantage of the higher octane by means of tune, your actually going to loose power due to the gas being harder to ignite and not burning fully.

 

i see meth as nothing more then a band-aid for a week tune, theres nothing i cant accomplish on the same or greater level on race gas that can be had on pump+meth.

the only time i see meth being "worth wile" is if your on the raged edge of a set up, truly pushing the car. then it has its merits, buti'll take my 110 leaded and see you at teh track any day of the week!

i can buy quite a bit of race gas for the price of your beloved meth kit.

the cleaning of both things is great and useful, however race gas is better at it, mainly down stream of the cylinder head.

race gas isnt harder to burn, it just has a slower flash point and a obviously higher resistance to knock.

the slower flash point is, in part, a reason why you make more power with it, it bumps cylinder pressure much more evenly across a longer time period during the power stroke of the engine. instead of one violent combustion event.

they will both "light off" just fine with a proper spark setting behind them

since all OEM tunes have knock in them (due to the huge variable range they have to cover) running race gas on a bone stock car will yield more power, much? i think not, but still some.

and as you all know that effect grows as the mods and tune take greater and greater use of the octane

 

i can max the power out on my car on meth. timing afr. blah blah. i use it for cooling, and an adversion to running 12 dollar a gallon gas

 

I used to run 100 octane daily (when I was driving my car only like 3 times a week)....let me tell you, night and day difference. I don't know if you're going to get a 40 whp gain out of our cars, but deafintely good for at least 20..(oh and I tuned it for 100 so it's not like I just added it in)

 

$4.5 sucka!

$400 meth kit / 4.5 a gal for race gas = 88gal of race gas!

and yes you can max advance just as well as i can on race gas, but at least your one of the few who take into consideration that there is a physical limit to spark advance being useful.

most people just bump the number to the moon!!!!

 

yeah but not everyone can get race gas for $4.50 a gallon :P

thats a hell of a price.

 

meh, its the norm around here. 4.50-5.50a gal

when 93 is 3.30 a gal its not much a jump to drop 10gal of the good stuff in!

torco 110 leaded.

love it!!

 

my car is pretty well maxed out on hp as it sits.

anything above a mid 20's is just beating on the bearings.

my meth kit didn't cost me 400 bucks

asshat

 

i still bought a few tanks of the good stuff for the cost of it assjockey.

and grow a pair you pansy, lets see how thin you can make those mains

 

i can get away with 13.5 afr and 22 degree's of timing



no kids, this is not good, the car looses power after 12.5

 

I could get 2 of my meth kits for 400 bucks!

 

Yes, I tested that the other day. I ran a 13.1 compared to my 12.7 that I usually run, and the 12.7 was noticebly faster. Not by much but noticeable. My 12.0 across the board seemed just as fast as my 12.7 across the board though....I stil run stock timing though...I BARELY hit 15 degrees of timing lol...I used to run like 23 but ehhh.....i'm ok with 15 right now

 

every car is different. mine gets angry above 12.5

 

umm...i dont think you understood. im saying, say you run 22 deg. of advance, and you up the compression, and at the same time, you up the octane...you'll yield more HP under the same tune.