$25k+ for a SS... are they kidding?
01-04-2010, 07:06 PM
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Yea, but the Camaro is a lot heavier, it won't be as fast, handle as well, nor stop as quickly. Real life gas mileage the Cobalt should win too, lowest I've ever seen was ~25.5.
It will however be a Camaro, so 16 yr old girls (and those w/ 16 yr old mentalities) will love it. The only real benefits I can see are the interior, exterior look, and RWD.
It will however be a Camaro, so 16 yr old girls (and those w/ 16 yr old mentalities) will love it. The only real benefits I can see are the interior, exterior look, and RWD.
Look at it this way, the Camaro SS is fast in a straight line, but the Camaro SS is only 1 second faster than the Cobalt SS/TC at the Nurburgring - both cars were driven by John Heinricy.
Get the GM employee discount if possible.
01-04-2010, 07:12 PM
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By the time I got down to Obrien's there were only like 4-5 SS's left out of 50 plus they had at one point. The ones that were left were really bad ... you could see the dimples the hail left on the A pillar's on a couple cars . That must have been one hell of a storm.
01-04-2010, 07:15 PM
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All of the 09s that were below $19k asking price were damaged by hail. 100% of the new 2009's in my area were all priced normally - no "special" hail damage deals.
01-04-2010, 07:26 PM
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I'm almost positive that there were no 09's that were hail damaged like the 08's . The only special's i saw on 09's were demo's and Gm company cars. My car was advertised at $24905 Lsd Usb and hirise were the only options. The price I ended up paying was due to GM's uncertain state .... before the bankruptcy .... the dealers were clearing as much inventory as possible . My salesman said they were still competing to be number one in the state..... even thou everything was up in air lol.
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01-04-2010, 10:34 PM
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I was just at a dealer down here last week with my friend that he bought a new truck, they had a Cobalt SS/TC advertised for 21k something, don't remember if it was 08 or 09, but I do remember it was that red metallic color.
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As far as comparing a base camaro to the cobalt SS
1. cobalt SS is faster, in a straight line, and in every other geometric shape you can come up with
2. Better Gas mileage
3. RWD isn't an advantage, can't drive it nearly as easily in the rain and in snow its completely useless
4. Whooptie do you get to shift one more time rather than normal when you get on the highway
5. Camaro might be rated at 300hp but what you end up getting to the wheels is the same as the Cobalt SS with probably less of a powerband.
6. The 06 is an inferior car, it should be priced cheaper
1. cobalt SS is faster, in a straight line, and in every other geometric shape you can come up with
2. Better Gas mileage
3. RWD isn't an advantage, can't drive it nearly as easily in the rain and in snow its completely useless
4. Whooptie do you get to shift one more time rather than normal when you get on the highway
5. Camaro might be rated at 300hp but what you end up getting to the wheels is the same as the Cobalt SS with probably less of a powerband.
6. The 06 is an inferior car, it should be priced cheaper
01-05-2010, 08:17 AM
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There had been about 8 left when I got there. Mine was a low rise version, but I am mostly satisfied with my paint. I could not notice any dents, only very tiny paint speckles from debris. This is only visible when the car is spotless and in the sunshine, you have to look very close to notice. This is a black car mind you. All in all I do not even worry about it, who cares anyway, it is for the performance!
01-06-2010, 02:15 AM
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There had been about 8 left when I got there. Mine was a low rise version, but I am mostly satisfied with my paint. I could not notice any dents, only very tiny paint speckles from debris. This is only visible when the car is spotless and in the sunshine, you have to look very close to notice. This is a black car mind you. All in all I do not even worry about it, who cares anyway, it is for the performance!
01-07-2010, 07:18 AM
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As far as comparing a base camaro to the cobalt SS
1. cobalt SS is faster, in a straight line, and in every other geometric shape you can come up with
2. Better Gas mileage
3. RWD isn't an advantage, can't drive it nearly as easily in the rain and in snow its completely useless
4. Whooptie do you get to shift one more time rather than normal when you get on the highway
5. Camaro might be rated at 300hp but what you end up getting to the wheels is the same as the Cobalt SS with probably less of a powerband.
6. The 06 is an inferior car, it should be priced cheaper
1. cobalt SS is faster, in a straight line, and in every other geometric shape you can come up with
2. Better Gas mileage
3. RWD isn't an advantage, can't drive it nearly as easily in the rain and in snow its completely useless
4. Whooptie do you get to shift one more time rather than normal when you get on the highway
5. Camaro might be rated at 300hp but what you end up getting to the wheels is the same as the Cobalt SS with probably less of a powerband.
6. The 06 is an inferior car, it should be priced cheaper
The rwd is an advantage if your buying the car for performance, sure rwd can be harder to drive in the rain and snow, but most people who buy performance cars don't drive them in the rain or snow. There is a reason most of performance automobile driving in the world is done with either a rear wheel drive power train or all wheel drive.
The Camaro v6 gets very good gas mileage considering it weighs almost 1000 lbs more. Fuel economy.gov states that the Camaro gets 17city 29 highway and that the turbo gets 22 city and 30 highway.
The Camaro is also a much nicer looking car, better interior, and better built, I own a cobalt turbo as well and don't get me wrong for the price you cant beat it, but when you drive down the street beside a Camaro they are going to be looking at that not our cobalts because they are everywhere.
That v6 Camaro has TONS of potential for performance upgrades (IE its not even turbo'd yet) and with a fully independent suspension 6 speed manual or auto its much more refined then a cobalt.
I paid 20,000 canadian out the door for my 2010 cobalt ss which is an awesome price for this car and im very happy with it and I just ordered a turbo kit for it.
01-07-2010, 09:23 AM
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McNamee,
You posted a lot of "eye of the beholder" / opinion type stuff. I've rented a few V6 Camaros while on business and I don't think the interior is much better really. I really dislike the design of the cluster actually. The car was alright, but I still think Ford did/is doing a better job on the Mustang.
I'm also a little worn out on retro throwback cars, but once again these are opinions!
You posted a lot of "eye of the beholder" / opinion type stuff. I've rented a few V6 Camaros while on business and I don't think the interior is much better really. I really dislike the design of the cluster actually. The car was alright, but I still think Ford did/is doing a better job on the Mustang.
I'm also a little worn out on retro throwback cars, but once again these are opinions!
01-07-2010, 09:51 AM
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It's all about how good you can negoiate. I got my 07 ss in early 2008 for 12k after paying 1500 down so 13,500 total. Just point out every little thing you dont like about the car and watch how fast the price falls. Also show interest in the car but show a complete lack thereof as well. If they think you will by the car but feel that you feel you can do without they become more eager to sell.
01-07-2010, 10:16 AM
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The rwd is an advantage if your buying the car for performance, sure rwd can be harder to drive in the rain and snow, but most people who buy performance cars don't drive them in the rain or snow. There is a reason most of performance automobile driving in the world is done with either a rear wheel drive power train or all wheel drive.
The Camaro v6 gets very good gas mileage considering it weighs almost 1000 lbs more. Fuel economy.gov states that the Camaro gets 17city 29 highway and that the turbo gets 22 city and 30 highway.
The Camaro is also a much nicer looking car, better interior, and better built, I own a cobalt turbo as well and don't get me wrong for the price you cant beat it, but when you drive down the street beside a Camaro they are going to be looking at that not our cobalts because they are everywhere.
That v6 Camaro has TONS of potential for performance upgrades (IE its not even turbo'd yet) and with a fully independent suspension 6 speed manual or auto its much more refined then a cobalt.
I paid 20,000 canadian out the door for my 2010 cobalt ss which is an awesome price for this car and im very happy with it and I just ordered a turbo kit for it.
The Camaro v6 gets very good gas mileage considering it weighs almost 1000 lbs more. Fuel economy.gov states that the Camaro gets 17city 29 highway and that the turbo gets 22 city and 30 highway.
The Camaro is also a much nicer looking car, better interior, and better built, I own a cobalt turbo as well and don't get me wrong for the price you cant beat it, but when you drive down the street beside a Camaro they are going to be looking at that not our cobalts because they are everywhere.
That v6 Camaro has TONS of potential for performance upgrades (IE its not even turbo'd yet) and with a fully independent suspension 6 speed manual or auto its much more refined then a cobalt.
I paid 20,000 canadian out the door for my 2010 cobalt ss which is an awesome price for this car and im very happy with it and I just ordered a turbo kit for it.
. Disappointing since this was the first vehicle on our list to buy.Also it takes more to get the same amount of power to the wheels in a rwd vs. a fwd.
01-07-2010, 10:19 AM
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They want $29,000 here in WV. Of course they were selling the new Camaro for $54,000. I would like to know why anyone would pay $20,000 over retail for a car. I am a camaro man myself but Its not a Corvette.
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The rwd is an advantage if your buying the car for performance, sure rwd can be harder to drive in the rain and snow, but most people who buy performance cars don't drive them in the rain or snow. There is a reason most of performance automobile driving in the world is done with either a rear wheel drive power train or all wheel drive.
The Camaro v6 gets very good gas mileage considering it weighs almost 1000 lbs more. Fuel economy.gov states that the Camaro gets 17city 29 highway and that the turbo gets 22 city and 30 highway.
The Camaro is also a much nicer looking car, better interior, and better built, I own a cobalt turbo as well and don't get me wrong for the price you cant beat it, but when you drive down the street beside a Camaro they are going to be looking at that not our cobalts because they are everywhere.
That v6 Camaro has TONS of potential for performance upgrades (IE its not even turbo'd yet) and with a fully independent suspension 6 speed manual or auto its much more refined then a cobalt.
I paid 20,000 canadian out the door for my 2010 cobalt ss which is an awesome price for this car and im very happy with it and I just ordered a turbo kit for it.
The Camaro v6 gets very good gas mileage considering it weighs almost 1000 lbs more. Fuel economy.gov states that the Camaro gets 17city 29 highway and that the turbo gets 22 city and 30 highway.
The Camaro is also a much nicer looking car, better interior, and better built, I own a cobalt turbo as well and don't get me wrong for the price you cant beat it, but when you drive down the street beside a Camaro they are going to be looking at that not our cobalts because they are everywhere.
That v6 Camaro has TONS of potential for performance upgrades (IE its not even turbo'd yet) and with a fully independent suspension 6 speed manual or auto its much more refined then a cobalt.
I paid 20,000 canadian out the door for my 2010 cobalt ss which is an awesome price for this car and im very happy with it and I just ordered a turbo kit for it.
You should see the list of TSB's for the Camaro .... Ton's of them . Better built isn't one of the best arguing point's when talking about the new Camaro. It seem's to me that it was rushed out the door .
The Camaro is in a different league than a Cobalt.... period. RWD sport's car ------> FWD econo car.
You should see the list of TSB's for the Camaro .... Ton's of them . Better built isn't one of the best arguing point's when talking about the new Camaro. It seem's to me that it was rushed out the door .
The Camaro is in a different league than a Cobalt.... period. RWD sport's car ------> FWD econo car.
The Camaro is in a different league than a Cobalt.... period. RWD sport's car ------> FWD econo car.
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01-07-2010, 11:47 AM
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You should see the list of TSB's for the Camaro .... Ton's of them . Better built isn't one of the best arguing point's when talking about the new Camaro. It seem's to me that it was rushed out the door .
The Camaro is in a different league than a Cobalt.... period. RWD sport's car ------> FWD econo car.
The Camaro is in a different league than a Cobalt.... period. RWD sport's car ------> FWD econo car.
EXACTLY. I'd rather have a fast econo car than a mediocre sports car. (referring to the v6 Camaro)
01-07-2010, 12:13 PM
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They had a V6 on the lot and it was truly pathetic. They have gotten better but are still
. I know people can turbo or supercharge them .... thats cool .....but 90% just want the look and will never touch the motor.
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You should see the list of TSB's for the Camaro .... Ton's of them . Better built isn't one of the best arguing point's when talking about the new Camaro. It seem's to me that it was rushed out the door .
The Camaro is in a different league than a Cobalt.... period. RWD sport's car ------> FWD econo car.
Here are the numbers ...
Bulletins, Campaigns or Preliminary Information
Camaro 1 year run 129 total
Cobalt 2005-2010 108 total
The Camaro is in a different league than a Cobalt.... period. RWD sport's car ------> FWD econo car.
Here are the numbers ...
Bulletins, Campaigns or Preliminary Information
Camaro 1 year run 129 total
Cobalt 2005-2010 108 total
I work at a gm dealer if you want I can post the tsbs for the cobalt lol, I also worked in the camaro plant for a year building them and like any car the first year its out it will have its problems but the oshawa plant is very focused on quality and I know this first hand.
I totally agree the camaro is in a different league, but when a turbo ss retails for 30 grand canadian and I can get a rs v6 camaro for the same its a choice to make, but since the cobalt can be talked down and the camaro cannot I bought a cobalt.
I also agree that the v6 camaro isnt the real deal or nota real sports car, the ss is where its at but the v6 camaro has a lot of potential and the styling is amazing and thats what people go for who cant afford the v8 and dont really care for perrformance and get still get great gas mileage for what it is, I love the cobalt back end design but the front kinda is old, I really want gm to make a cobalt sized rwd car with this 2.0L turbo make it look kinda like a mini camaro mby call it a nova or something, would be a fun car, my parents also have a saturn sky redline and that thing is a blast to drive and it manages the power much better with the rear wheel drive.
FWD has a harder time managing power hence torque steer, I prefer rwd but fwd has come a long way due to technology allowing it to manage the power better.
Regardless, I'm not bashing the cobalt, I just believe the camaro to be a better car, my parents have a brand new camaro ss and its probably one of the nicest cars ive been in, some people do not like the interior but its a retro throwback and I love it mainly because I love older cars, a lot of things may be opinion based but the camaro is one of the hottest cars out there right now for a reason, the cobalt turbo has not been half as popular, but its still awesome for the price hence why I bought one.
I find the Camaro to be fine and im 6'2, im very comfortable in it and I agree its no corvette but for 45 grand Canadian its one hell of a car and I love it, but couldnt afford it at only 22 years old. Hence why I bought the cobalt turbo and I like the car a lot and I am glad to have it, nothing can beat it for the price.
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In October I found a brand new '08 still sitting on a dealer's lot and I drove it home for $16k out the door, down from $20k. First owner, and not a "wind damaged" car either. Fastest signature I ever scribbled.