yeah no idea. You'd think most people with SS or type of car would be car enthusiasts not haters just because its different. But maybe being an enthusiast comes with age?

 

I love the MS3 but what killed me when I test drove it was the riddiculous torque steer. It was however one of the most comfortable sport compacts i've ever driven, was very tame in normal driving and I just couldn't help feeling good sitting in that car. It's a nice car pure and simple....As far as racing, i'm 7 and 0 against stock Mazdaspeed 3's. 1/4 mile though, I also know how to launch mine well and the races were never more than a half a car length at most. The MS3 is no slouch and I garuntee if you **** up a shift your going to get spanked. Between NLS, the better suspension and the more manageable torque curve, the stock for stock win should always go to the SS. If that thing has a bolt on of any kind though you ain't beating him stock. Just respect the MS3 and be glad that our car and the MS3 are pretty well equal performance wise in every way. However I give the SS more respect because it only needed 2 litres and a tiny turbo to acheive it's numbers. I give the Mazdaspeed 3 more respect for the interior quality and functionality of the design. It's just more practical and had I had the money I likely would have bought it right then and there. But at the end of the day I love my SS, I got one of the top 2 cars in it's class and one of two cars that cun put a spanking on much more valuable cars period. Both cars are amazing, both cars are better than any Honda, Dodge, Toyota or Hyundai in their class for performance. And given the embarassing outcome when S2000's try to smoke me and get spanked, I sincerely doubt your RSX did anything except lose by 10 or 15 car lengths. Especially at 225 or so WHP and less than 200 torque. Sorry those numbers just don't add up at all. Case in point, love your Cobalt for what it is, give the Speed 3 the respect it deserves and enjoy knowing your not the only one with a performance compact that can put most everything else to shame in their class. And remeber, go look at most MS3 boards and you'll see the same kinda respect shown for our car. I get lots of respect from MS3 owners at the track and they get the same from me. End of story, Your RSX did not smoke him and with the listed bolt-ons theres no way your Cobalt did either unless this guy is a complete ******* retard.


More likely because they feel threatened. God forbid something happens to my SS I know damn well if GM doesn't offer a comparable model i'm gunning for the Spped 3 no questions asked.

 

You're a ricer...seriously...do some research on the competition before you run your mouth. And to say that car is ugly is just...wrong...it's gorgeous...and has more cargo/people space, an interior that's not entirely made by Rubbermaid, TRUE HIDs (package pending), Leather (optional), just as much power potential as our cars, and did I meantion that it's gorgeous?

It is an amazing car...had I not gotten the awesome deal I got on this thing...I would either be driving an MS3 or a CSRT4...I was by no means even considering this car (I love hatchbacks). The ONLY thing that I really didn't like about the MS3 was that there was not even an option to get a sunroof...really kind of a bummer seeing as the regular 3s offer it...and the shifter kind of felt like...it was lost in the gates...pretty vague and empty shifter feel..but a weighted STS can always fix that..other than those things...the MS3 is an amazing machine and anyone that bad mouths it when they drive a Cobalt SS is a ricer.

 

yes it is! My cousin took me for a ride in his 08 ms3 and it was a very comfortable ride way better than my ss. and that thing pulled like a freight train when he got on it

 

Why is everybody comparing the MS3 to the SS/TC? You're comparing apples to oranges. The MS3 has a 2.3, that's TWO POINT THREE, litre engine while the TC is a 2.0, that's TWO POINT ZERO. It's 15%, that's FIFTEEN PERCENT, more displacement. In cubic inches that would be 140.3/122. A difference of 18.3. Using the TC's power to weight ratio of 2HP/cubic inch the TC would be rated 296HP compared to Mazdas 263HP. In the torque department the TC, if it was equal in displacement to the Mazda, would also be 296ft# to Mazdas 280.

So 260/260 vs 263/280, who should win? And by how much? On the other hand. Given the extra displacement to make it equal to the Mazda the TC would read 296/296 against Mazdas 263/280. WHO WOULD WIN?? And by how much?

So, you see, this is NOT a fair fight. Using another comparison the Cobalt beat the 2.0 litre, FWD track record at the Nurburgring by 13 seconds. BONE STOCK right down to the tires. I don't remember seeing the MS3 on that list. But then, I didn't read all the way to the bottom.

As far as which car is better looking? The old saying, "beauty is in the eye of the beholder", has never been so true as it is now, what with all the ricers hitting our shores. I, personally, think the Mazda MS3 is BUTT UGLY. My 09 SS/TC sedan, on the other hand, reminds me of an up-scale German sport touring car and makes me glad to be an AMERICAN that BUYS American whenever I'm given a choice.

Hope nobody takes offense to all this. It's both FACT and PREFERENCE.

 

I hate these arguments...
8:22.85 Chevrolet Cobalt SS Turbo (2008) October 2007 Not independently verified manufacturer time.[48] See 9:02 time for the same date.

8:39 Mazda MAZDASPEED3 Mark Ticehurst 2007 Mazda News (06/2007),[52] Inexperienced driver.[53]

9:02 Chevrolet Cobalt SS Turbo John Heinricy October 2007 Wet Track "2008 Turbocharged Chevy Cobalt SS (full version)". Retrieved 2009-03-26.

So I'd love to see the ms3 driven again by a experienced driver

 

Then I'd like to see the comparison between EQUAL cars. Using the same driver. Either take .3 litre out of the MS3or GIVE the Cobalt another .3 litre. THAT is the point of my post. The track record part is just a little icing on the cake.

And for a guy that hates these arguments you're spending an awful lot of time on this thread. 15 posts? Maybe you only hate these arguments when you're proven WRONG.

I don't hate this argument. I just want the comparison to be EQUAL.

 

just shut up^ u sound like a civic owner saying how IF they had a sc or tc they would smoke us or IF we didnt have one they would still smoke us

 

ricer math FTW!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Ricer math makes ANY car look good...seriously buellfool...

 

 

At this point I'm not sure who's agreeing or disagreeing with what I'm saying. I'm only stating facts. Not if's, and's or but's. The LNF, stock for stock, is not on a level playing field with any car with 18 more inches. Hell! If cubic inches doesn't count I'll race your MS3 with my Fiero.

 

the ms3 and the cobalt ss/tc are directly comparable. they are both sport compact fwd cars with turbo 4bangers that make close to the same power.

all the other stuff you keep saying is just ricer excuses.

 

Lol, please tell me you weren't considering a Caliber SRT-4 over an SS T/C? It's a Turbo Caravan with terrible driveability and it puts the SRT-4 badge in the sewer. Everything else is 100% though

Ok, so the guy that made the in-experienced driver comment......That's a ricer argument too. Number two I haven't hear any real positive feedback about your SS from you. So why the **** are a part of SS.net? If you hate it so much why didn't you buy the MS3? ****, all of you guys calling displacement Ricer math are actually the ricers. That math was started by race car teams ages ago. It's valid math and he makes a valid point. The Cobalt does alot with a tiny displacement engine. Call his math Ricer all you like, this board just gives fuel to every other import driver on the planet because 90% of you look like a bunch of in-fighting *********. This is SS.net, not MS3.net, If you all love the MS3 so much than go ******* buy it and please stop the dicksucking (it's a nice car, it sounds nice, i love it) of the MS3. Tarde in your Cobalt, go buy the MS3 and leave the actual ss enthusiasts in peace. I'll buy an MS3 as a family car once mines paid off. It gets my respect but the SS has alot of redeeming qualities and the fact that the MS3 is still rated less than the GTI says everything. That's a car i'd buy over the MS3 any day. It sounds way sexier, it turns heads, it gets respect and looks, it's pure quality engineering and it still offers enough power to have fun. It's also far more tolerable to drive daily. I'm still keeping my SS, it will always be my toy and everything else will be my grocery car.family carrier for the rest of my life.

 

Ummm.....

"In our test of an SS sedan, it hit 60 mph as quickly as a $130,000 Maserati Quattroporte Sport GT sedan. And the Cobalt slithered through the slalom cones at 70 mph, nearly the same speed as a quarter-million-dollar Ferrari F430. Not bad for around $24,000, eh?

The Cobalt SS's engine – a turbocharged 4-cylinder that produces 260 horsepower — has plenty of power; what's more, it gets an EPA-rated 30 mpg highway. The car's handling is also superb — the harder you drive it, the better it seems to grip to the road. And unlike many cars with sport-tuned suspensions, the Cobalt SS's ride quality is firm but not teeth-rattling. And using the Cobalt SS's 5-speed manual gearbox is a treat, thanks to its tight, short throws. "

I think if road and track compares its performance to a Maserati, and a Ferrari, a MS3 isn't much to worry about. The SS and the MS3 has been competing in small car shootouts since the MS3 came out, it may have a 2.3L motor, but the EVO, WRX's, and many rally car motors are 2000CC and below motors. Don't get all hung up on displacement when there is technology. The SRT-4's have 2.4L motors, I don't see anyone complaining about comparing it to the SS/TC.

Also I read this

"I haven't enjoyed driving a front-wheel-drive car this much in ages. The Cobalt's FE5 suspension is stiffer, better damped and infinitely more compliant than the previous car's. I dare say it's the best-driving fwd sports compact out there, matching the power of a Mazdaspeed3, but easily out-handling it. At the limit the Cobalt SS is predictable, controllable, balanced and should make any driving enthusiast quite happy."

- Road and Track

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=6702

 

wat so the ms3 cant be compared to any car?
and the ss/tc can only be compared to a gti since thats the only other fwd turbo 2.0?
u both are retarded. u compare cars by class and price.
ms3, tc, csrt4, and gtis are all in the same class.

this^

 

using this logic you couldnt compare a Mustang, Camaro and Challenger. they all have different displacements.

 

Can't argue with that one

 

Well here why stop at the displacement. The MS3 weighs a little more as well so let's make them both the same weight. And let's shape them the same also that way neither one has an aeordynamic advantage. And let's give them the same wheels that way they have the same amount of unsprung weight to turn. And let's make them the from the same company that way they have the same amount of reliability and rattles and what not. And then...oh wait by this time they are the same car. Get that ricer math garbage the hell out of here it makes you sound ignorant.

And like I said...the Cobalt SS wasn't, by any means, one of the cars I was looking into. I came across that "wind damaged" deal and got this car with a sticker of 24k for 16,500...plus my trade and cash down...I financed 11k after tax and everything...so you can see why I would go with this over the MS3. I mean this car has certainly grown on me and it's an absolute blast to drive...but the MS3 is certainly an amazing blend of quality and power and can be DIRECTLY compared to the CSS, CSRT4, GTI, Civic SI, MINI Cooper S, and any other comparably priced sport compact. So please...don't use ricer math to try to say that it's not a fair comparison.

 

You are all guilty of selective reading. I NEVER knocked the MS3 in the performance catagory. It IS a great running car. But it DOES have a displacement edge on the Cobalt. It is NOT alright to get beaten by one, on that rare occurance, without thinking about those extra inches. Does anybody think it would be fair to race a stock MS3, or any of the other ricers, with a factory upgraded SS? I'm sure you'd cry FOUL. INCH for INCH, stock, the Cobalt SS/TC is a better car. PERIOD.

I DID say I thought it's ugly. Just like I've seen others here that think the Cobalt is ugly. Looks is a matter of PREFERENCE only. Some people like black, I PREFER red. You can prefer whatever you want. Whatever puts a tilt in your kilt. I really don't care.

But when it comes to performance there has to be a baseline. Somewhere. Something to absolutely compare one car against the other IN STOCK FORM. For you young guns doing your little rolling start racing on the interstate I guess it really doesn't matter. For the guys that have been around a little longer and maybe have done some REAL racing, well, they can see the bigger picture. I've embarrased a lot of "hats on backwards" guys with my Fiero. They thought they were racing a dinosaur out of the past when they really had a tiger by the tail. I didn't feel bad though. I had 225 inches on them, but I didn't have a turbo, CAI or any of the other stuff. Just inches to make up for all the parts I'm sure they were running. But they thought they were in a fair fight. Aside from proving the old white bearded guy could still get it up those wins really don't do much for me because I knew from the beginning they didn't stand a chance. But when I beat the ricers with my SS I DO feel good because I've beaten a car that SHOULD have beaten me by virtue of a bigger engine.

 

i cant believe ur still talking about this lol

 

So...like nismothecat said...based on your argument, you can't compare the Mustang GT, Camaro SS, Challenger SRT8 and any other muscle car because they all have different displacements. Or how about the GT-R and the Z06 and all the cars in that category...they all have different displacements and often times different drivetrain setups...so they must not be comparable right? Get the hell out of here with that.

 

also according to the argument that means the stock SS/SC is a direct competitor to the Ariel Atom LSJ.

 

well duh it is

 

Go back to sleep!