GMPP kit results - real results!
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GMPP kit results - real results!
I just completed my GMPP stage kit on my 08 SS turbo. Here are my before and after comparisons, both dyno and road tests.
Keep in mind all dynos read a little different so your results may vary. Road Tests were done on the same roads with another person in the car using a stop watch, so they aren't exactly perfectly scientific in their execution but they are fairly accurate. I did two runs of each test and averaged the two runs.
Cobalt GMPP Stage Kit road test results
6/27/10 0800ish and 7/8/10 1000ish --- Difference
Temp 65-70* / 65*
Gas 5/8 / ¾ --- + 1/8th
Odometer 16181 / 16768 --- + 587 miles
A/C off for all tests
5-60 mph 7.48 (start in 1st gear 1k rpm) / 6.52 --- -.96 sec
30-50 mph 3.74 (start in 2nd gear 2.8k rpm) / 3.24 --- -.50 sec
50-70 mph 4.70 (start in 3rd gear 3k rpm) / 3.98 --- -.72 sec
50-100 mph 18.20 (5th gear roll on) / 16.27 --- -1.93 sec
50-100 mph 10.60 (start in 3rd gear 3k rpm) / 9.60 --- -1.0 sec
Top speed in gears
(just under 200 rpm limit raised with kit)
Except for 3rd and 5th gear, Speeds are as indicated on the speedometer and approximate since I didn’t want to run on the rev limit too long
1st 30 mph / 35 mph --- +5 ish
2nd 60 mph / 65 mph --- +5 ish
3rd 98 mph (actual speed on dyno) / 102 mph --- +4 mph
4th 135 mph / 140 mph --- +5 ish
5th 161 mph (actual dyno no road test) / 163 mph --- +2 mph
Dynamometer runs were done at Blacktrax performance in Milpitas, CA which is a tuner shop that does a bunch of cool import and custom work. If you're in the Bay Area I highly recommend them. You can google the name for a link. Dyno runs were done the same day. Before Dyno (stock) in the morning, kit installed mid-day, and Dyno after kit install in the afternoon. Install of GMPP kit was done at Boardwalk Chevrolet in Redwood City. I highly recommend them as well. Both businesses provided excellent service at very reasonable rates. They both were also extremely accommodating with my plan to dyno, install, and dyno on the same day so I could get accurate results.
Before and After Power and Torque. Don't just look at the peak increases. Look at the space between the curves. Off idle horsepower and torque are almost doubled. At some rpms it's 50 hp difference and torque is as much as a 75 lb/ft difference. Look closely at the bottom end. The curve is much less steep now which makes taking off from a stop waaaay easier
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So far my impressions are:
1. The car is easier to drive when taking off from a stop because of the increase of power at low rpm combined with the smoother (less steep) power curve from 1500-2300.
2. The car is quicker overall.
3. The slightly raised (180 rpm) rev limit allows approximately 2-5 mph more in each gear.
4. The "Launch Control" feature now actually works. I've only tried this a couple times, but stock if you used launch control (car in competitive mode, at a stop, full throttle, in 1st gear, car holds at 4700 rpm, drop the clutch and keep it full throttle) the car would squeal the tires a little, bog down, then take off. Now with the kit installed the car actually has the power to get you going without bogging as it gets traction. It squeals the tires a little and then accelerates more as it gets traction. This is my best effort at real world results and what you can expect by installing the GMPP kit on your 08 or newer SS.
Dog
Keep in mind all dynos read a little different so your results may vary. Road Tests were done on the same roads with another person in the car using a stop watch, so they aren't exactly perfectly scientific in their execution but they are fairly accurate. I did two runs of each test and averaged the two runs.
Cobalt GMPP Stage Kit road test results
6/27/10 0800ish and 7/8/10 1000ish --- Difference
Temp 65-70* / 65*
Gas 5/8 / ¾ --- + 1/8th
Odometer 16181 / 16768 --- + 587 miles
A/C off for all tests
5-60 mph 7.48 (start in 1st gear 1k rpm) / 6.52 --- -.96 sec
30-50 mph 3.74 (start in 2nd gear 2.8k rpm) / 3.24 --- -.50 sec
50-70 mph 4.70 (start in 3rd gear 3k rpm) / 3.98 --- -.72 sec
50-100 mph 18.20 (5th gear roll on) / 16.27 --- -1.93 sec
50-100 mph 10.60 (start in 3rd gear 3k rpm) / 9.60 --- -1.0 sec
Top speed in gears
(just under 200 rpm limit raised with kit)
Except for 3rd and 5th gear, Speeds are as indicated on the speedometer and approximate since I didn’t want to run on the rev limit too long
1st 30 mph / 35 mph --- +5 ish
2nd 60 mph / 65 mph --- +5 ish
3rd 98 mph (actual speed on dyno) / 102 mph --- +4 mph
4th 135 mph / 140 mph --- +5 ish
5th 161 mph (actual dyno no road test) / 163 mph --- +2 mph
Dynamometer runs were done at Blacktrax performance in Milpitas, CA which is a tuner shop that does a bunch of cool import and custom work. If you're in the Bay Area I highly recommend them. You can google the name for a link. Dyno runs were done the same day. Before Dyno (stock) in the morning, kit installed mid-day, and Dyno after kit install in the afternoon. Install of GMPP kit was done at Boardwalk Chevrolet in Redwood City. I highly recommend them as well. Both businesses provided excellent service at very reasonable rates. They both were also extremely accommodating with my plan to dyno, install, and dyno on the same day so I could get accurate results.
Before and After Power and Torque. Don't just look at the peak increases. Look at the space between the curves. Off idle horsepower and torque are almost doubled. At some rpms it's 50 hp difference and torque is as much as a 75 lb/ft difference. Look closely at the bottom end. The curve is much less steep now which makes taking off from a stop waaaay easier
Before and After Boost
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So far my impressions are:
1. The car is easier to drive when taking off from a stop because of the increase of power at low rpm combined with the smoother (less steep) power curve from 1500-2300.
2. The car is quicker overall.
3. The slightly raised (180 rpm) rev limit allows approximately 2-5 mph more in each gear.
4. The "Launch Control" feature now actually works. I've only tried this a couple times, but stock if you used launch control (car in competitive mode, at a stop, full throttle, in 1st gear, car holds at 4700 rpm, drop the clutch and keep it full throttle) the car would squeal the tires a little, bog down, then take off. Now with the kit installed the car actually has the power to get you going without bogging as it gets traction. It squeals the tires a little and then accelerates more as it gets traction. This is my best effort at real world results and what you can expect by installing the GMPP kit on your 08 or newer SS.
Dog
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Great results! Right where we would expect GM tune to be....+20 HP and around +50 Ft Lbs Torque peak gain. Just as advertised!
BTW, I used same type dyno you did..*Dynapack* (in my Images Link). They hooked up your HUBS instead of putting wheels directly on a roller. The HP readings are around 10HP more than you might get on a dynojet.
BTW, I used same type dyno you did..*Dynapack* (in my Images Link). They hooked up your HUBS instead of putting wheels directly on a roller. The HP readings are around 10HP more than you might get on a dynojet.
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Great results! Right where we would expect GM tune to be....+20 HP and around +50 Ft Lbs Torque peak gain. Just as advertised!
BTW, I used same type dyno you did..*Dynapack* (in my Images Link). They hooked up your HUBS instead of putting wheels directly on a roller. The HP readings are around 10HP more than you might get on a dynojet.
BTW, I used same type dyno you did..*Dynapack* (in my Images Link). They hooked up your HUBS instead of putting wheels directly on a roller. The HP readings are around 10HP more than you might get on a dynojet.
07-08-2010, 10:07 PM
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haha.. good eyes man. I totally didn't pick up on that. It seems pretty logical to usually assume wheel hp for a dyno. So maybe those number are pretty solid then
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It says *Flywheel* and its actually somewhere between wheels and Flywheel for this Dyno. The actual LOSS through the drive train is LESS, because the wheels are off and it's to the HUBS. So, it reads around 10HP MORE than actual Flywheel and 10 HP MORE than a Dyno jet (to the wheels). Again, as I said we want to look at the differences between the mods..not absolute #s.
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07-08-2010, 10:45 PM
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It says *Flywheel* and its actually somewhere between wheels and Flywheel for this Dyno. The actual LOSS through the drive train is LESS, because the wheels are off and it's to the HUBS. So, it reads around 10HP MORE than actual Flywheel and 10 HP LESS than a Dyno jet (to the wheels). Again, as I said we want to look at the differences between the mods..not absolute #s.
Either way, good numbers OP and you definitely did it right by having a baseline to compare to..
07-09-2010, 07:58 AM
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sorry maybe this is a newbie Q but whats the deal with hammer down in top gear? how is that bad for any thing? my chevelle has so much torq i never down shift to pass and my lil cobalt is damn close to being as fast, i am obviously missing something. if anyone can help me with my Cultural Learnings of top gear for Make Benefit Glorious Nation of Chevrolet that be just great
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sorry maybe this is a newbie Q but whats the deal with hammer down in top gear? how is that bad for any thing? my chevelle has so much torq i never down shift to pass and my lil cobalt is damn close to being as fast, i am obviously missing something. if anyone can help me with my Cultural Learnings of top gear for Make Benefit Glorious Nation of Chevrolet that be just great
If you introduce too much boost to then engine at too low of an RPM (mainly under 2500) with that much of a load, you can get predetination and damage the engine
As far as the clutch goes.. These cars produce a buttload of torque really quick, so combine that sudden torque spike with the amount of load 5th gear puts on the drivetrain at that low of an RPM.. well you can get some nasty clutch slip.. particularly in the 08's due to the weaker clutch
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The part itself could have been updated/revised without an actual # change. The revised parts sometimes have a *-* after the part # indicating the latest revision but it will still show up under the original part#. Porsche did this. Also, you would have the same part # for 08-10 since they are compatable and interchangeable.
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07-09-2010, 02:34 PM
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The part itself could have been updated/revised without an actual # change. The revised parts sometimes have a *-* after the part # indicating the latest revision but it will still show up under the original part#. Porsche did this. Also, you would have the same part # for 08-10 since they are compatable and interchangeable.
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Yep that would be correct. Part number was never changed however the 09-10 clutches have a stronger clamping force due to the stronger pressure plate. Sort of like the NSRT-4's, the first model year the clutch for the car was ****. Dodge then beefed up the clutch system, yet still retained the same part number.
