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Old Jun 15, 2009 | 10:12 AM
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SS/SC vs. SS/TC

Hey guys. i have been lurking around for awhile. i currently drive a 07 cobalt coupe lt that i bought when i decided to go back to finish my degree. now that i am almost done, i am wanting to upgrade my transportation.

after test driving a couple ss/sc's i have pretty much decided an ss cobalt is a great overall package and probably the way to go. my only question is how the turbo ss compares to the supercharged ss. i know this topic has probably been beat to death, but the search feature on the forums didnt really return any helpful threads.

i guess my main question is whether or not it is worth the extra money to get the turbo. i know out of the box that it is quite a bit quicker. however, i also know that a few hundred dollars on the sc gets you some nice power as well.

used ss/sc's are going for quite a bit less than the ss/tc's, and i was just wondering if the ss/tc is really worth the extra $$ (is it really that much improved?), or would it be worth saving some money at the start with a ss/sc and mod from there? any input would be appreciated! thanks
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Old Jun 15, 2009 | 10:20 AM
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Whine of a SC is beautiful and they are capable of being beast as well. The suspension tuning on the TC is really nice though so handling is by far better. Brakes on a TC are nice. Either way I don't see a problem going either route. If you get an LSJ you should get a Turbo kit from Hahn and be able to pull just as good as an LNF or even better. ZZP's Turbo LSJ is damn fast!!
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Old Jun 15, 2009 | 10:23 AM
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Having owned both cars I can can honestly say the the TC is the better car. If you can find a clean, stock SC then that is also a good car, make sure it has the G85 package. The SC will only make about 270ish hp without putting in major $ so it is relatively cheap to modify, smaller pulley and instant hp. There is NO lag, instant pull.

The TC has awesome brakes, suspension and loads of tq. I haven't been able to up the boost yet but judging by what others are saying and looking at the ET's in the 1/4 mile it's gonna be strong. It looks like I'll be spending a lot more $ on the TC lol.

Same platform, 2 totally diff cars. I'll always miss the whine of the SC though
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Old Jun 15, 2009 | 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by 40rty
Whine of a SC is beautiful and they are capable of being beast as well. The suspension tuning on the TC is really nice though so handling is by far better. Brakes on a TC are nice. Either way I don't see a problem going either route. If you get an LSJ you should get a Turbo kit from Hahn and be able to pull just as good as an LNF or even better. ZZP's Turbo LSJ is damn fast!!
thats one thing i was curious about, is the handling that much better that it is worth the higher initial investment? i thought the ss/sc was pretty much the best handling fwd vehicle i have driven in a while, would be pretty impressive if they improved it even further
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Old Jun 15, 2009 | 10:29 AM
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Yes it is that much better, quicker steering ratio and much more planted. I had Sportlines, Koni's and rear sway bar on my SC and this TC comes real close stock. I added a rear sway bar to my TC and it's real fun to drive now.
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Old Jun 15, 2009 | 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by ianw33
thats one thing i was curious about, is the handling that much better that it is worth the higher initial investment? i thought the ss/sc was pretty much the best handling fwd vehicle i have driven in a while, would be pretty impressive if they improved it even further
It's much improved. All the understeer people complained about in the SS/SC has been eliminated. The car is neutral and can be coaxed into oversteer (as well as balanced there) quite easily.
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Old Jun 15, 2009 | 10:32 AM
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And here we go again :P
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Old Jun 15, 2009 | 10:38 AM
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And here we go again :P
if you can point me to threads that have covered this before, that would be nice. i tried searching with no luck
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Old Jun 15, 2009 | 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by ianw33
thats one thing i was curious about, is the handling that much better that it is worth the higher initial investment? i thought the ss/sc was pretty much the best handling fwd vehicle i have driven in a while, would be pretty impressive if they improved it even further
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ive/index.html

Okay, of course we're not referring to the 2008 Corvette. That would be a ridiculous statement, an utter lie. And we wouldn't do that to you. No, no, we're talking about the 1989 Vette that, back in a May 1989 road test, impressed power junkies with its 245-horse, 5.7-liter V-8 that could consume 60 in 6.5 seconds and the quarter mile in 15.0 at 94.6 mph. My, how times change-this cute Cobalt SS you see here, with a puny 2.0-liter four-cylinder spinning the front wheels and with help from a new "no-lift shift" launch control can scorch 60 in just 5.5 seconds and the quarter in 13.9 at 102.5 mph. Legit? You should see it at the track.

When we say track, we really mean the "'Ring," as in Germany's Nurburgring. It was there the SS, with a time of 8:22.85 minutes, set a new record for front-drive sport-compacts, a class previously dominated by the Opel Astra OPC, which was over 13 seconds slower. For context, a Z06 obliterates the 'Ring in 7:43, but that's with nearly twice the power, rear drive, and tires as wide as a La-Z-Boy.

The Cobalt's mojo comes courtesy of the aforementioned 2.0-liter-a 260-horsepower direct-injection turbo-and a heavily revised chassis, highlighted by stiffer springs and dampers, a larger rear anti-roll bar, 10-percent-quicker steering, Brembo four-piston front brakes, and 18-inch forged alloys wearing 225/40 Continentals. The package works, displaying predictable, confidence-inspiring traits at the track and, more important, grin-inducing grip (0.91 g). Making that grin even wider are a top speed of 160 mph and estimated combined fuel economy of 25 mpg.

Shortcomings? The F35 five-speed isn't as fluid or precise as others in the segment, namely the Civic Si's. The electric power steering is linear but lacks the tactility of, say, a Mazdaspeed 3's. The interior, with its hard plastic accoutrements, still screams econocar, despite new seats with UltraLux suedelike inserts. And there's some torque steer, even with GM's best trickery with electronics and suspension geometry.

Nevertheless, at only $22,995, the SS could stand for Super Steal. Even loaded with the $495 limited-slip differential (a must for the track), $750 sunroof, and $195 big wing, the SS still goes for under $25,000. Better yet, an SS sedan is coming for 2009. Either way, you'll be grinning big as you pity those old Corvettes in the rearview.
I never owned a SS/SC, but I always used to drive my buddies '06 when he had it. He's the reason why I fell in love with the Cobalt. My SS/TC, it's a thing of beauty and is that much better than a SS/SC (handling wise). GM really knocked one out of the park and I'm still trying to find the article (can't remember what magazine it was from) where they basically compare the TC and the SC and tell you how much improvement GM made to the TC. I'll post it when I find it.

Overall, if you're looking at the two, the SC's you find are going to be cheaper, but what's your price range? I'd seriously keep looking for a TC if I were you because they can be had for quite cheap. I paid $19,000 for my '08 because I was patient and did shop shopping around. If there are still some '08's around where you live, you might be able to get it for pretty cheap.

Here's that article that I was talking about:

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...t_drive_review

Does this car look familiar? It should. Beyond the front grille treatment, the new 2008 Chevrolet Cobalt SS is visually identical to the 2005–07 Cobalt SS Supercharged. The front and rear fascias, side sills, and now-optional huge wing carry over unchanged, as does the regular Cobalt-based sheetmetal. The similarity, however, ends there.

The old SS was quite good. A mini-muscle car, it was quick in a straight line, although it became a ball of understeer when the road went bendy. But the new SS is better. Not only does it remain face-peelingly quick, but it’s also now a maniacal piece of machinery that laughs at nearly any corner you toss in front of it.

Turbos Are Super, Too
The SS Supercharged had to be discontinued because its blown four didn’t comply with emissions regulations for 2008. (The naturally aspirated imposter SS was discontinued after 2007, too; Chevy now calls that model the Cobalt Sport.) As a result, the new SS gets force-fed via an air-to-air intercooled turbocharger rather than the Eaton supercharger of the old car.

This 2.0-liter Ecotec turbo four, introduced in the Pontiac Solstice GXP and Saturn Sky Red Line roadsters, gains direct injection and variable valve timing for intake and exhaust and returns a claimed 22 mpg city and 30 mpg highway. More important, though, is that the new car puts 260 horsepower under your right foot versus 205 in the SS Supercharged. Peak torque is an impressive 260 pound-feet, and it’s available from 2000 rpm.

Chevy figures a blast to 60 ought to take 5.7 seconds, but the SS Supercharged took a mere 5.9 in our test, so we’re thinking maybe an additional 10th or two could be squeezed from the more powerful turbo model. Top speed is as high as 160 mph, so long as you forgo that ginormous, drag-heavy optional spoiler.

I’m Not Going to Break It, Am I?
Rocketing to the top end is a ridiculous amount of fun in the new SS, thanks to the standard launch control and no-lift shift functions, which are also found on the less hard-core, pudgier HHR SS. Both are fairly violent events, and not lifting off the gas when you shift feels, well, ludicrous. No-lift shifts, though, coax such sweet burbles and gunfire pops from the exhaust that you just have to do them all the time. From a stop sign? No-lift shift. Getting onto the freeway? No-lift shift. In the produce section at the grocery store? Yup, no-lift shift.

A tip from the engineers: One pop from the tailpipe is good. More pops are bad, since that means you’ve bounced it off the rev limiter and aren’t accelerating as quickly as you could. Using launch control or no-lift shifting gives you the inkling that you’re going to break the car or engine or Saab-sourced five-speed manual—or all three—in half, but Chevy warrants the powertrain for five years or 100,000 miles and says that engineers performed 600 launch-control blastoffs in a row to validate the whole shebang.

Damping and Turn-In and Braking, Oh My
Beyond the engine, though, are the chassis refinements made by the GM Performance boys. The only underbody item shared with the regular Cobalt is the front subframe. New lower control arms, control-arm bushings, 30-percent-stiffer springs, and fat 24mm front and rear solid anti-roll bars tighten the suspension like a drum skin. The steering system’s rack, electronics, and tuning are all unique to the SS, as is the car’s pedal box, which has been optimized to provide better heel-and-toe downshifts.

After dozens of miles on twisty California desert roads and several laps at Buttonwillow Raceway Park, it was clear that the extensive alterations (not to mention four intense weeks of tuning at the Nürburgring, during which the car beat the lap record for its class by 13 seconds) have paid off. The Cobalt SS treats midcorner bumps with indifference and features ride characteristics that remind us of—gulp—the Volkswagen GTI. Lumpy, bumpy roads unfurl beneath the new SS with no drama; this car is very well damped.

The steering is good, too. In fact, it’s perhaps the best we’ve felt in a GM front-driver, with road sensations and the grip situation communicated mostly intact via the fat, three-spoke wheel identical to the one found in the Corvette. The steering is well weighted and dead accurate, too, although it lacks the delicate tactility of the GTI’s rack.

Sitting behind those front wheels are 12.4-inch vented rotors squeezed by standard-issue four-piston Brembo calipers. Out back, the supercharged car’s solid discs have morphed into vented units on the new SS, but they’re squeezed by single-piston GM units. The system offers above-average feel, registering even the smallest change in pedal pressure, and we experienced absolutely zero fade even after seven or eight consecutive hard laps of the long and very fast Buttonwillow track.

On the racecourse, the SS demonstrated surprisingly neutral attitude for a front-driver and slow, progressive rotation on throttle lift, after which it would settle down into a four-wheel drift. That’s a far cry from its predecessor’s plow-happy handling, although ham-fisted efforts can still set the front wheels sliding. Torque steer was mostly a nonissue, with the suspension tuning, the power-steering programming, and a computer program that uses steering-wheel angle to dial back available torque combining to keep the wheel from yanking itself from our hands.

Nice Price for a Nice Piece of Machinery
Pricing is competitive at $22,995, and Chevy’s not interested in bloating the bottom line with huge options packages or frivolous toys. Indeed, the short options list—for now, a limited-slip differential for $495, a sunroof for $750, and the huge wing for $195—shows how focused Chevrolet and GM Performance intend this car to be. Further driving this point home is the lack of an available automatic transmission; shift your own or go home, bub.

When the 2009 model year commences in late June, a Cobalt SS sedan will be added, and we expect the price to be the same. A few other pieces of equipment might be added as well: an in-dash navigation system could be as low as $275, Bluetooth connectivity will be available, and there’s talk of offering a programmable data logger that would replace the A-pillar-mounted boost gauge.

The biggest problem we see with the Cobalt SS is its workaday roots. Convincing people to lay down 23 large for a car based on the ho-hum, uninspiring Cobalt they rented in Albuquerque is a tougher proposition than asking someone to step up from, say, the very good VW Rabbit to the even better GTI—especially when the new SS looks so much like the old one and has such bummer interior plastics. In the words of lead development engineer Brandon Vivian, though, GM “spent the money on making it faster,” not on fancy new bodywork or soft-touch froufrou.

We’re glad it did, because the new Cobalt SS is very fast and very good.


Another quick hit too:

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/..._1+page-2.html

We’re massively impressed with the new front-wheel-drive champion of the LL1 class, the Chevrolet Cobalt SS. Not only did it lop three seconds off the Mazdaspeed 3’s 2007 front-drive record of 3:16.0, it was only a half-second behind the overall LL1 record of 3:12.5 set by the Nissan 350Z Track in 2006.

Two years ago, a supercharged Cobalt SS with 205 horsepower recorded a respectable 3:20.6. We invited the ’08 Cobalt SS because it has a new 260-hp, 2.0-liter direct-injection four-cylinder turbo engine and a host of chassis upgrades including wider tires and larger brakes.

The changes made a huge difference at the track as the Cobalt’s new brakes resisted fading, its wider tires maintained their hold lap after lap, and its compliant and balanced chassis made it easy to exploit the phenomenal grip.


Gobs of power from the new engine and an optional limited-slip diff allowed the Cobalt to take most of the track in third gear. The SS hurtled forward with an anger missing in the rest of LL1 and much of the LL2 group. Despite the explosive power and front weight bias, the Cobalt SS resisted the typical understeer found in front-drive cars. The SS goes about its business with almost no drama. You only realize how quick it is when you arrive at start-finish and wonder, “How’d I get here so fast?”

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Old Jun 15, 2009 | 11:54 AM
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And here we go again :P
At least this time around we have an honest review from Ninja who had one hell of an SC before trading in for the TC. Can't really argue with what he's said and not a single person with a TC has posted anything negative about the SC which is a nice refresher from the usual .
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Old Jun 15, 2009 | 12:25 PM
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The SS/SC is by far the best bang for the buck . You can get a clean low mileage 06-07 around 12K . For what your getting thats a steal. Yes the TC does handle better but to be honest unless your into auto cross the SC handles better than most can push it on the street anyways. Power wise a stage 2 (roughly 750 installed) SC is neck and neck with stock TC's . If you don't need a new car and can find a clean SC it won't disappoint you.

The TC is a great car , it's performance is as good as many cars 10-20K more expensive. Don't get me wrong the TC improved on the SC in most area's , but if you aren't looking for every extra 10th , mph or skidpad G , the SC is a very competent platform. And the whine is unique as hell lol. Are the improvements in the TC worth an extra 10K ? thats up to you.
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Old Jun 15, 2009 | 12:36 PM
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Either car has my thumbs up. My modded SC broke a lot of hearts lol. My stock SC kept dead even with a stock TC (you know who you are lol). Bottom line, if you have the cash get the TC but buying a used SC is not that much of a step down. Both models are begging for mods.
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Old Jun 15, 2009 | 12:44 PM
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Either car has my thumbs up. My modded SC broke a lot of hearts lol. My stock SC kept dead even with a stock TC (you know who you are lol). Bottom line, if you have the cash get the TC but buying a used SC is not that much of a step down. Both models are begging for mods.
Pffft, whoevers TC you raced must've had like an extra person in it or something.
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one special thing i can think of that sets the ss/sc apart from all other sport compacts, is the fact that its engine is the only american 4-cylinder to ever come with a blower from the factory. that makes having one unique .... yes i know you can make more power easier from a turbo, but there is something about the challenge of unleashing the horsepower from the lsj, and the wonderful wine of its supercharger
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Old Jun 15, 2009 | 12:59 PM
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Pffft, whoevers TC you raced must've had like an extra person in it or something.
Yeah all 100 lbs of him lol! If I kept my SC I would have a TVS in it right now! SC whine is so hawwwny!
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Old Jun 15, 2009 | 01:13 PM
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The SS/SC is by far the best bang for the buck ..
After owning both a bolted SC and now a TC, the TC is by far the better bang for buck. I paid 4K less for my 09 TC than I did for my 06 SC.

As far as used vehicles, sure the older car will usually be cheaper.
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one special thing i can think of that sets the ss/sc apart from all other sport compacts, is the fact that its engine is the only american 4-cylinder to ever come with a blower from the factory. that makes having one unique .... yes i know you can make more power easier from a turbo, but there is something about the challenge of unleashing the horsepower from the lsj, and the wonderful wine of its supercharger
I'd be lieing if i said i didn't miss the WHINE , and my recaro's lol. I didn't realize how much i used to lay into my SC just to hear the blower...... till i got the new car lol.....If i'm lucky i get a little quife out of my TC heheh.

I'm really happy with the new car ....don't get me wrong . I'm just calling it like i see it .

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After owning both a bolted SC and now a TC, the TC is by far the better bang for buck. I paid 4K less for my 09 TC than I did for my 06 SC.

As far as used vehicles, sure the older car will usually be cheaper.
Well what did you think i meant ? I was talking about buying one new or the other used.

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I'd be lieing if i said i didn't miss the WHINE , and my recaro's lol. I didn't realize how much i used to lay into my SC just to hear the blower...... till i got the new car lol.....If i'm lucky i get a little quife out of my TC heheh.

I'm really happy with the new car ....don't get me wrong . I'm just calling it like i see it .



Well what did you think i meant ? I was talking about buying one new or the other used.
i know that you speak the truth when comparing the ss/sc & ss/tc .... the whine is great, but the ss/tc exhaust note sounds soo mean. good luck with yours man.
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Originally Posted by rukkee

Well what did you think i meant ? I was talking about buying one new or the other used.

Well you can find BOTH used. Bang for buck you cant beat the TC + the warranty it will still have.
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Well you can find BOTH used. Bang for buck you cant beat the TC + the warranty it will still have.
True, I guess i'm just assuming he was going with a new TC . I see your point.

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. good luck with yours man.
Thanks , appreciate it .

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I'm not gonna lie... that Supercharger whine is ****** orgasmic.
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