ebay innercooler is all i have to say.... jk i had the hahn pos, blew the endtanks off the core 8 times. got tired of welding it. bought the zzp and no issues and i also boost past 30 lbs somtimes like 35ish. Also ive tuned treadstones, mpx innercoolers and ect, alot have the same common cooling affect and same iat1s to ambient to iat2s. But the zzp one and the tr12 innercooler does do the best.

 

People complain that the ZZP IC is too large, but that TR12 is just absolutely silly silly big.. lol

As far as people complaining that ZZP's is too large, I have yet to log any notable pressure/flow loss when compared to the stock IC even with the K04 (I know I'm not exactly telling you something new here.. lol).

Have you tuned and/or seen any logs with a Werks IC just out of curiosity? If so, how did it fair when compared to other aftermarket coolers? I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that it was probably just as efficient as other coolers comparable to its size, just a little more expensive?

 

its one of the few intercoolers out there that doesnt have a china core.... hahn might be only other one. dont see anything wrong with cast end tanks but more labor goes into the werks one since its all made by hand(except the core obviously) but the endtanks and what not are all done by werks. can handle a good amount power aswell. i run the race intercooler and while cruising around even on hot days im about 5-6* above ambiant and really the only time it gets hotter is when im in stand still traffic. will see if i can get some logs next time i have the car up on the dyno.

 

the tr12 is only 7% larger than the zzp...they are just shaped totally different. my tr10 is actually about 9-10% smaller than the zzp.

treadstone manufactures their cores in house (in florida btw)

 

hmmm thats not what they told me but if they do they do. they were however the only other company that specified the specs on their intercoolers when a thread awhile ago popped up so that was cool of them. my only odjection to their intercoolers in their smaller one. i dont like how it uses silicone couplers to make the bend.

 

i have done one werks and it was better then most like the zzp...

 

close but no cigar..

ZZP's is 896ci
TR10 is 882ci.... a whopping 1.6% smaller than zzp's
TR12 3.5" core is 963ci.... 7% larger than zzp's
TR12 4.5" core is 1237ci.... 28% larger than zzp's (the absolutely silly silly big one)

and yes, both the 3.5" and 4.5" cores are available in the cobalt kit

 

from their website fwiw:

The Treadstone name has become synonymous with quality intercooler's over the past few years, and we pride our selves on it! We manufacture our bar and plate cores with strict guidelines, and are specifically designed to maximize cooling using the most surface area possible in any given space. Our cores give the perfect balance between heat exchanging efficiency and flow. Our internal fin structure design is top notch, and is where the most important changes can be made to enhance the cooling rate. Treadstone intercooler cores feature a high heat-dissipating "Inner fin" design. This is ideal for medium to high boost levels on higher horsepower or upgraded turbo engines. The larger internal surface area provides superior cooling efficiency for radiating excessive heat and minimizing heat soak. In general, these design characteristics is what gives Treadstone Intercooler's the leading edge in intercooler technology.



the tr10 is 10.5x22x3.5...which is 808.5 with the 3.5" core........which is roughly 9-10% that of the zzp core

 

I'm sorry but you're wrong yet again.

The TR10's core size is 10.5x24x3.5 which makes it 882ci.

Which again makes it 1.6% smaller than zzp's

 

ummmmmmmmmmm.........here is where im getting my info from so if you are reading that the core is 24inches wide than i don't know where you read that

TR1035 and TR1045 Intercooler- TREADSTONE PERFORMANCE

 

ahhh i see where you got it from:

TR10 Intercooler- TREADSTONE PERFORMANCE

that is not the same ic that is on MY car simply because of the mounting locations so i was going by the link in the above post

 

ok I gotcha now. I hadn't realized they actually made 4 versions of the TR10, which seems sort of strange but ehh, it is what it is.

Prior to me getting the zzp ic I was actually planning on getting the TR10 until I saw how close in size they were to one another.... Not actually realizing they had a 22" core version as well.

Sorry for the confusion then. I was wondering wtf is this guy talking about? Can he do simple math? lol.. I mean technically I wasn't completely wrong, but as far as yours specifically, I obviously was..

How do you like the TR10 btw? Do you have any pics of it on the car, or maybe even some good 3rd-4th gear logs you can share?

 

after i saw where you were getting your measurements from i sent them an email asking them what the correct dimensions are. the ic is off the car and i will measure it tomorrow just for curiosity's sake.

it is certainly huge either way. when i get to put it back on...which may not be for a while cause i have to take the car back to the dealer tomorrow cause my 2nd brand new turbo in 1500 miles is spewing oil out the intake side and into the hotside piping....i will take pics of the fitment and installation since it is different for the hhr and requires cutting a notch in the crash bar.

i like it a lot. it brings temps down to w/i 5 or so degrees of ambient as long as you are moving. i will see if i have any logs

 

big damn pet peeve of mine. how are those MEXICAN garrett cores then?

 

ill keep my comments to myself. im not going to start a pissing match with you. i still feel garret cores are some of the better ones out. might they decline in the years to come? time will tell.

 

i dont see your comment being legitatmite. everyone who makes intercoolers im sure has something along those lines.

 

you just always say it like the garrett cores are made in the US. they are a mexican made product. and that's a fact

 

I care more about where they are designed. Its safe to say any human race can safely follow assembly instructions...

 

Im not saying they are made in the usa..... garret use to be made here yes but not anymore. Im saying pwerks intercoolers are made here as they are here in Illinois. They are made and welded together in the shop. The end tanks are built in shop aswell. All I said here was we are one of the few that don't make a intercooler with a chinese core. That's a fact as well even if the core is made in a foreign country.

 

no problem with that cause it's absolutely true. just don't go leading people to believe that since you aren't using china cores that they aren't of a foreign country. that's all i'm saying

 

anyone that's ever asked about our cores I clearly state they are garret and made in Mexico. The rest of the intercooler is made here by pwerks. So no misleadment and if anyone took it that way my apologies

 

well how about this then....

http://www.treadstoneperformance.com...install-16.pdf

 

Im meerly saying you can't just use something you pull off their website to say they are better. Everyone has their goal and mission statement.

 

i never said it was better....i just said it wasn't a china core

 

Im just stating what treastone told me awhile back.... all good. Clears things up