Still. 12.9 AFR?

Is that really how you guys tune the LNF?

 

Yessir! The DI cools and atomizes so much better than a PI system, we can run it much leaner. Thats why DI gets so much better fuel mileage than the PI systems. We have fairly conclusive evidence to link the ringland issues with too much boost, and too much fuel together.

I, personally was running 12.5 on my winter fuel, because I wanted it to be safe with the variances in fuel during the winter, but now that its warming up, and we are getting summer fuel, I am running .89 and over 2 times the stock timing without a hitch.

 

0.88 PE Lambda is the perfect WOT A/F mixture on this car.

 

^big +1

 

I'm not hating on Vince's tune.

But the fact that Tirfecta tuning bypasses safety sensors "to trick" to get those boost numbers should worry you guys.....

The OP accepted the tune that way then he is just as much at fault.

 

why dont u just part it out and go back to stock till you can save up to build the whole motor

 

Thanks for having my back, guys. I had to go out and do some work....dammit!

 

So when you say "tricks" the safety sensors... what exactly are you refering to? If you're refering to the 2bar sensors being maxxed out, then in my case that couldn't be further from the truth, seeing that I have the GMS1 kit with the 3 bar. Also, if you read for the HP tuner guys, only one that I know (there could be more) has the 3 bar sensors so in their case anything about 22.5 psi would also be out of the "safety" range for their tune. Which also goes for the people they tune as well... if they don't have the 3bar sensors, and boost above the maximum range for the sensors, it is the same thing. So if that's what you're refering too I don't see where your point is... If that's not it tell me.

Also, what do you think about these guys with HP Tuners doing the "pill mod" in order to make higher boost? Vince's tuning abilites in no way, shape or form worry me; the fact that people use methods to trick the ecu to do things it shouldn't by means of external add ons like the "pill mod" do worry me... granted through their tests (dyno runs) it can and does work and allows them to boost above what the ecu will allow them, but let's be honest... it's tricking the ecu instead of actually being able to command higher boost.

And the OP requested the strongest tune he could get at the time... so to view that as a fault would be wrong...

 

You are right on all accounts. Basically, the pill mod controls the wastegate on the car, which is triggered by a reference boost signal, controlled by a solenoid, controlled by the PCM (complex, eh?). The PCM will open the solenoid when it sees the airload (or boost, in the most simple term) in turn, this opens the wastegate. NOW... where the pill differes from Vince, is pretty simple. Vince has control of the wastegate duty cycle tables in the PCM. The pill is our way of controlling them. The pill is no different than a manual boost controller, just its not adjustable. The pill has been proven time and time again on many different cars. But, of course, controlling the PCM through a tune is much more reliable, and much more precise.

Now, if only Vince would release an end user program...

 

Its tricking the wastegate solenoid, not the ecu... Still reads teh same amount of boost and load, just delays the signal to the WG to clamp longer and give us more boost. I agree, having correct control over that would be better tho. Hence the reason I bought a EBC


Edit: MK worded it better then me

 

Again, I said I'm not hating on Vince's tunes or his capabilities.

Ask any HPTuner that runs the pill mod, you hit the nail on the head, these guys running the pill mods are the tuners and not selling a tune + pill mod.

I bet you couldn't get a tuner running the pill mod to sign off on their name and install the mod + tune.

You defend Vince because you sell his tune, and I understand and appreciate that.

I'm not bashing him, I just don't agree with some of his methods that's all. And this being the great country it is, I can.

 

I tuned a couple cars with the pill mod, Grich171 is one of them. Still running it now and running strong on 30psi. I alerted him of the dangers of this mod and also things to NOT do while having something like this. I also explained that this will surely reduce the life of the turbo! And over a long haul, the 30psi tune is NOT the best idea. He wanted it still, so he got it He's coming Friday to remove it and go with my latest 22psi tune tho.

 

how close are you to Grich?

 

Nick, what are your numbers on the pill?

 

I agree. 100%. Vince should release an end user tuning program like HP Tuners. I am tired of waiting a year at a time for one new table to tune my car. I have said it before. Vince is an excellent software engineer and he should use that to develop and end user tuning interface like HP Tuners except with more control.

 

Lil over an Hr I think. I work closer to him tho, so he's meeting me at my day job to save some travel.

 

I meant Friends wise.

 

I wish he would just go for it. I know he can do it, and i don't think it would be all that hard for him, since he has SOMETHING already, he just needs to make a UI for it.

 

I believe he tells people that the 30psi isnt the safest thing, I honestly dont know.

I offer 1 price up front and that includes any updates, a dyno tuning session and limited diagnostics should something seem off. If your brakes are grinding, I obviously cover 0 there lol, which is why I wrote limited

I agree here big time. That day we had the TF vs HPT race, that guy and I were talking about exactly that. If some of the HPTuners guys had the control TF has over the car we'd be talking whole new sets of numbers!

ahh, sorry! I thought that too as I pressed reply lol. He's a friend of a friend.

 

Now if he wasn't would you have installed it?

 

If I let them know the dangers and they are willing to accept them and proceed, sure why not. BUT, this is a tune I ran on my own car and perfected over miles to be sure it wouldn't damage their car. Not saying Vince doesnt do that, just saying I dont tune blindly or take chances with someone else's car. I take them on my own first

 

Ah so yours is not an out of the box tune, it's custom with a base tune of yours and tweaks for the car installed on.

Nothing wrong there. Feels good knowing it will work.

Nelson, after you install the Infiniboost tune, are you able to tweak for mods and other environment factors?

 

Out of curiosity, what about the K04+/BaldTurboFreak upgraded compressor wheel. Has anyone here put thought into what psi it is safe to run on that?

 

^Exactly. What I call my "base tunes" are tunes Ive run and dialed in on my own car, then flash to someone's car and go from there. I drive about 100 miles a day and all year round, I also drag race almost weekly. So they are tried and true

 

Good stuff man, good stuff.