Its safe to the about the same pressure. these turbos will handle 24psi, then they fall out of the acceptable efficiency range. Its not that they cannot handle 30 psi, they can, but the life decreases, and the efficiency plummets. The upgraded wheel is more efficient, so it pushes more cubic feet of air than the stock wheel, per psi. The stock turbo side by side with the upgraded compressor wheel both pushing 24 psi, the compressor upgrade turbo would out flow the stock one.

Once you get up to about 24 psi on the upgraded one, you still fall out of efficiency, plus, you are just stressing the turbo beyond what it needs to be stressed. Power is not made by psi. Power is made by flow. Psi is a restriction between the turbo and the head. This is why running larger IC pipes, bigger IC's, and less restricitve intakes can cause a slight drop in boost, because you are taking away the restriction. But, this drop in restriction and boost is not a drop in power, nor is it a drop in flow, it is only a drop in restriction.

So, the upgraded compressor wheel will allow enough flow over the top of the stock turbo, to put down about 40 more whp. Its rated at 40 lbs/min flow, vs the stock turbo which is about 36 lbs/min flow.

 

Vince can only send the initial tune, its up to the customer to log there vehicle and get fine tuned through Vince. I know I've seen about 2 or 3 posts were the person with a Trifecta tune never even sent logs back in for a fine tune (some of them were infiniboost I wonder how many of these people are out there that never got fine tuned or logged a tune driving normally, not doing WOT pulls, then sending them in for a fine tune? I mean seriously I got tuned and fine tuned 3 times before having to send the cable back and I could have probably gotten 1 more in before having to send the cable back.

Also abusing your car when something else is wrong/broken with any of the tunes is going to break ****. It might happen sooner or later depending on the boost your running. Bottom line fix your **** if its broken or don't drive your car till its fixed.

 

^well put or ar least dont drive the pants off it until you fix it lol

 

Thanks


Car has no compression on #4. Pistons next week

 

Then ever person who didn't take the time for due diligence deserves EVERTHING they get.

But I do see why, America is the laziest county.

Now when you get a custom tune from a tuner, you get that personal feel.

 

It must be.....Your logic obviously has no flaws

 

Cool. I learn something new every day!

 

Your right it's undeniable.........

Name the #1 Flaw of Americans right now? Or should I say what American's are known to the best at?

What is that associated with?

If you don't use notes for a test, when allowed, and fail do you wonder why?


That's right sarcasm is a second language to me.


Then you had a great day!!!!!

 

That's fine, I'm here to set the record straight and everyone's entitled to their opinion and you're ablsolutely correct, that's why I love the

If you're refering to Vince "blindly" tuning that'd be completely wrong. Vince owns a HHR SS, same LNF motor, and he runs all of his tunes and does all of the "experiments" (if you will) on it way before anyone gets a tune from him. So in that case Vince does the same thing as you do. For example, Vince had run a 30psi tune on his HHR for a while to see how it ran, pros and cons of that amount of boost, etc. He should have an article out soon addressing many different views that have been illistrated on here with dyno-backed evidence on each to prove/disprove information. But as in all sitations, both sides of the story need to be told. I appreciate your professionalism when it comes to these things and I respect you for it just as when you were humble about the race between your car and the Trifecta tuned car.


Yes you can have the tune updated for mods. Like the others have stated, Vince sends an initial tune and in order to be fine tuned, datalogs must be sent to him so that he can view the information collected. For example, if you have a CAI, your a/f ratios won't be dead on with out a tune... through a simple datalog, Vince can view what your car is specificially dealing with and can adjust through updated tunes. Like in all science, the more data provided allows for better understanding and adjustment of variables to achieve the greatest possible outcome.

^QFT... there are still people on here that feel cheated when the dealer denies their warranties when the car is brought in with a blown turbo, motor, etc... As it's been stated before, you got to pay to play... don't expect outrageous numbers without taking some risks. Also as I stated before, Vince only goes as aggressive as you want; you want the most power possible and are not worried about replacing parts when the break (ground breaking concept for some) then you can get it... but for the average tune, there is virtually no reason to worry. Unfornately, as evidenced by some of the interesting things we all see on here and youtube,... many people lack the common sense as to how to take care of their vehicle and once again look for someone else to blame when something breaks.

 

I meant nothing like that. I just meant I don't throw something in someone's car that Im not familiar with, and 30psi would be just that. Im not trying to take any stab at him at all here. I have read the whole thing on the infiniboost and saw people posting lil tidbits here or there about taking rides in his HHR at that level before it ever came out.

And I have shown dyno's comparing 22 psi to 30 psi on my car. 22 psi numbers were 311/356, 30 psi numbers were 321/392. The car made almost 50whp more thru the midrange as well running the 30psi tune. I can post the dyno again if you'd like.

 

No it's fine. I just want to make sure people know the the truth on here... Some things I read on here/get questioned about blow my mind... the mistruth that floats around on here is ridiculous, and I want to make sure the record is set straight when I can. As I'm sure you're aware, things can be misconstrued/misinterpreted on here and the facts need to be all layed out in order to not produce more confusion.

 

pretty much what you should do is buy a 500-1000 dollar beater civic. Buy some pistons and go from there, do some work yourself, and see if you can find a mechanic that can help with the tricky stuff. I dont think the motor has to leave the car?

 

I will be seeing you when I build mine.

 

I'll be happy to help out. This is my first LNF experience, the subsequent ones always go quicker and easier. I could do an LSJ with my eyes closed now. Dunno if that's a good thing or not though, too many people blowing up...

 

might aswell do rods while your at it.

 

i cant... too much $... i already spend all my savings in buying pistons, ARP head studs and Cometic head gasket... plus the installation that joe will do...

i also just found out that by TTR (which i place the order from them) dont have the pistons in stock and i have to wait till next week to get them shipped :@

 

Check the manufacturer. I bought my set of Diamonds direct from them, got them a bit cheaper and no waiting.

 

Gotta Pay to play. Lots of cylinder pressure and heat will take a motor out eventually.

 

We have them in stock. They can ship today.

 

Wait didn't you post a thread saying you would buy the pistons right now, then someone posted and you never replied.

Why don't you go see if they still have them.

 

wooooowww i completely forgot about that thread but i havent received any pms from him.. i just pmed him to check... thanks for the remainder!

 

Its about time you guys running 25-30PSI start breaking your ****.

The motor/turbo should only be pushed to 22 PSI.

All your doing with that much boost is creating enough heat for your motor to go POP.

 

i know... well too late for me i guess...i kind of look at it at a good way that i blew my pistons.... now when i get my big turbo set-up (very soon) im going to be able to run very high#'s since i changed my freaking pistons already!

 

And you say this based on what? And use YOUR words, don't quote someone else...

 

Turbo cars.....